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110%er [6226]
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So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:06 PM
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I'm curious what some of you think. The only one that I thought had a fighting chance was Christie, but that's out the window. Mr. Bully is being fried by a federal investigation as we speak...
Also, just to be clear, Rand Paul does not have any shot. Nor does Ted Cruz. Or Sarah Palin. Or Mitt Romney (0-3?). Or any of the other dopes from 2 years ago.
Paul Ryan maybe?
Discuss.
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I'm convinced the pubs have no shot in future elections***
Feb 21, 2014, 4:13 PM
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110%er [8243]
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the pendulum swings.***
Feb 21, 2014, 4:16 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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John Huntsman would have a Reagan like victory in the
Feb 22, 2014, 7:19 AM
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national election, but will instead get crushed early and severely in the primaries by the T-Party cockus of the GOP.
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As a flaming liberal
Feb 22, 2014, 1:35 PM
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I would vote for Huntsman over Hillary all day, errr day
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CU Medallion [50635]
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did you just ditto yourself***
Feb 24, 2014, 3:30 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Don't we all? I had wanted to ditto Drew's post. Oops.***
Feb 25, 2014, 8:09 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:16 PM
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I thought that we had a shot with Marco Rubio. Although he has moved too far center and would look like a compromise. He isn't as attractive as a candidate as he used to be in 2011-ish.
I really do like Mitt. His business experience is second to none. His policies just never really came together in the last election. He never could articulate well enough what his plan of action was going to be as POTUS. I will get fried for saying this, but I think he is the least crooked of them all. Even though he is filthy rich, I don't hold that against him. I think he is a good guy.
Jeb Bush has no chance unless he changes his last name.
Huckabee is a progressive at heart. Like McCain was.
Scott Walker has done a heck of a job in Wisconsin. I would like to see Tea Party and Pubs get behind him. What he has done to create jobs and a surplus in WI is really impressive.
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:19 PM
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lol
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Tea Party and Republicans won't work together***
Feb 21, 2014, 4:24 PM
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You are right. They won't but if they did, it would be a landslide. This country is far more center right than left. We just need to put forth a candidate that appeals.
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Depends on the issue.***
Feb 21, 2014, 4:32 PM
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Re: Tea Party and Republicans won't work together***
Feb 25, 2014, 12:12 PM
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hate to be the one to break it to you wtrskitiger, but this country is growing increasingly more center left with every obituary column.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Tea Party and Republicans won't work together***
Feb 25, 2014, 6:12 PM
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I see it only took you 4 days to think of that comment.
Good job.
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Re: Tea Party and Republicans won't work together***
Feb 25, 2014, 6:24 PM
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yup, I spent the last four days entirely focused on responding to your post.
BTW, Are you drinking yourself into a bed wetting stupor tonight? I look forward to my Tmail inbox being full of violent, physical threats.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Tea Party and Republicans won't work together***
Feb 25, 2014, 8:11 PM
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No and I can't anymore cause you ignore me.
I would still kick your teeth in if you spoke to me in person the way you do on this site. That be da truth.
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Heisman Winner [112020]
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predictable
Feb 25, 2014, 8:36 PM
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which makes you my puppet.
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:35 PM
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Interesting answer.
I actually think Bush would have a better chance then you give him credit for. Six years later, Dubya has been largely forgiven and Jeb has a Latino wife, speaks fluent Spanish, and is a progressive in terms of immigration. That's a huge plus for him.
I don't think Huckabee will run and I think his entire brand is stale at this point. Same goes for Romney.
Speaking of Romney, I think he's a good guy too. I think he's a good, honest, hard-working person. With that said, I also think he's compassionate or in touch enough with the general electorate. It's what lost it for him two years ago. He comes across as stiff and impersonal.
Walker could be a possibility for sure.
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So marrying a Latino makes you a better president?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:39 PM
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Why do people continuously vote for people only if other people would vote for them? That is what spoils the primaries.
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Re: So marrying a Latino makes you a better president?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:41 PM
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Who said that? I didn't. To answer your question, no, it doesn't, but it does make you "generally" more attractive to the Latino electorate, especially in a general election. I'm not saying it makes sense, but these things come into play, unfortunately.
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The Republican party needs to get a candidate that can
Feb 21, 2014, 4:21 PM
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bridge the two different sides of the party. There is no way for a Tea Party candidate to be nominated, none. Then when the nominee is finally announced, the Tea Party people will poo poo him since he's "not conservative enough" and he'll lose votes.
Guessing potential nominees will start to come into focus once the mid-term elections end in November.
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:24 PM
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by all accounts paul ryan is not running. I am not sure if christie would have made it through the GOp primaries which as of late has resembled human #### fighting to see who is the biggest BA conservative. Unfortunately you have to appeal to the mouth breathers that show up to vote during the primaries, and by then you have damaged your national election hopes with an endless slew of extremist sound bites that carried you in that process. -see mitt romney
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110%er [7980]
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as opposed to the mouth breathers at the national election?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:30 PM
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lets face it, most voters don't know a #### thing about government and politics and politicians don't know a #### thing about how to fix things. People just vote for whoever looks the best / sounds the best / and makes them feel good at night. Meanwhile politicians just do whatever will get them votes. I liken it to the parents that give their kids whatever will shut them up.
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Re: as opposed to the mouth breathers at the national election?
Feb 21, 2014, 4:36 PM
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sad but true
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who ever it is, it can't be another RINO
Feb 21, 2014, 4:24 PM
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Paul Ryan is my boy for sure but who ever it is, they will be demonized and will have no chance. Christie was the libs favorite and now they crushed him so easily.
the pubs have no chance in 16 imo.
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Re: who ever it is, it can't be another RINO
Feb 21, 2014, 4:37 PM
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Christie was NOT liberals' favorite. Wrong. He just has the ability to reach across the aisle to get things done.
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Re: who ever it is, it can't be another RINO
Feb 21, 2014, 6:17 PM
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yup, and now we are finding out how.
admittedly, he scared me the least though. prior to this mess, I would have considered voting for him if he were the better candidate.
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Mitt Romney and I think he would beat Clinton
Feb 21, 2014, 4:25 PM
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I don't think the youth are going to vote like they did with Obama and that will swing the election to the republicans.
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Re: Mitt Romney and I think he would beat Clinton
Feb 21, 2014, 4:27 PM
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IF they get the H E L L away from Karl Rove. I am convinced he is a traitor. Can't stand that guy. He is the worst.
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We'll see.
Feb 21, 2014, 4:31 PM
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I think he's going to let the other fools kill themselves off and see which can out extreme the other and then swoop in and be the voice of "reason" for the Republican party. He'll just have to get through the pub primaries but he did it before and I think he'll do it again. The republican party/tea party will fall in line behind him with their support because of their mutual hatred of Clinton.
But really, I think the pubs have a great shot at winning the election no matter who they run (this is scary) because I just don't think the youth are going to vote like they did for Obama. Clinton is the only choice that might get them voting, but I don't think she carries the 'cool' that Obama had.
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Re: We'll see.
Feb 21, 2014, 4:39 PM
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deweather,
I think you make a good point, but Hillary is a woman, which I think probably gives her another type of "First" advantage, especially among women (duh).
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Re: We'll see.
Feb 21, 2014, 4:41 PM
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good point, but I would much rather see Elizabeth warren carry that "first" torch.
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Re: We'll see.
Feb 21, 2014, 4:42 PM
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A primary catfight would be something to see.
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 6:37 PM
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Ronald Regan...since every MFO Pub. RINO POTUS claims to be the next Regan.
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 6:39 PM
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fortunately none of the current crop is suffering from Alzheimer's.
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Hillary's got '16 locked down***
Feb 21, 2014, 7:44 PM
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Re: So what Republican has a strong chance at the POTUS in '16?
Feb 21, 2014, 8:07 PM
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Unless the GOP makes some major changes within the current party setup, I don't see how they can win. Right now, to win the party primaries a candidate has to go far, far to the right to impress the "Tea Party" tail that wags the Republican dog to get Republican Primary voters, who tend to be the most right wing people in the party. It appears the more moderate party members wait till the end to exert their influence. This is how you end up with an obnoxious dolt like Santorum sticking around through the final primaries, creating damage at a time when you should be concentrating on unity for the real election. This requires the candidates to make statements geared to that far right audience. Then, when he is selected, the candidate has to move back toward the middle and renounce some of his more radical statements which appealed to those far right voters to try and impress the electorate in the middle-moderate group which makes up most American voters. This offends the far right who feel that they have been lied to, and doesn't really impress the average middle ground voter because it makes the candidate appear, at best, as wishy-washy, at worst as untrustworthy. This hurt Romney, although to be honest, he reminded most of us too much of the disaster that was Bush II to win anyway. Until the the Republican Party can remove the perception that their farthest right members(which to most moderates appears to be the far right fringe of the political spectrum) run the party, I can't see them winning another Presidential election.
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RAND PAUL.
Feb 21, 2014, 9:08 PM
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I'm so sick of hearing "oh, Christie was the only one with a shot" etc.... thats the same line of thinking that nominated Ford, Dole, McCain, and Romney. Moving to the middle does not win elections for Republicans. If the white middle class had turned out in 2008 and 2012, BHO would be in Chicago organizing communities.
If the GOP nominates another mealy-mouthed moderate, they lose. Their best bet is to nominate a real conservative not tied to anyone in the Bush era who will inspire. There can be no doubt but that Rand Paul is the inspiring option in 2016 - even to the young. Cruz is the loud mouth who will also draw conservative support.
The GOP has a deep bench to draw from this go around and the debate and enthusiasm will create excited while the country sees Hillary yawn.
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Re: RAND PAUL.
Feb 21, 2014, 9:32 PM
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Rand Paul does not stand a chance. He has a tendency to throw anything and everything at the wall to see what sticks, and my opinion, lacks any real political compass. Like the rest of the pack, he seems more interested in getting elected than he does offering any real solutions to our country's problems.
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you couldnt be more wrong about saying anything to get
Feb 21, 2014, 9:47 PM
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elected - thats your Clintons. If anything, the Doctors Paul are both too honest.
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Re: you couldnt be more wrong about saying anything to get
Feb 21, 2014, 11:15 PM
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we are talking about the guy that plagiarized his speech on Eugenics from Wikipedia, right?
Dude has been all over the map on the economy and he would get destroyed on foreign policy alone.
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Not disagreeing, but what foreign policy experience..
Feb 22, 2014, 7:22 AM
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did Obama have exactly?
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Re: Not disagreeing, but what foreign policy experience..
Feb 22, 2014, 1:50 PM
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he was not Bush
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Or so you thought.***
Feb 22, 2014, 7:55 PM
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Re: Or so you thought.***
Feb 22, 2014, 8:11 PM
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touche
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Rand Paul will get laughed out of every voting booth
Feb 21, 2014, 9:37 PM
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in the country.
So, just stop with Rand Paul.
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thats almost verbatim what they said about RR
Feb 21, 2014, 9:49 PM
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Pretty sure that is for vastly different reasons
Feb 21, 2014, 11:16 PM
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Can the Republicans just stop looking to the past (RR) and look to the future?
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Re: Pretty sure that is for vastly different reasons
Feb 21, 2014, 11:40 PM
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I think that Alex is too young to remember that Reagan also tried for the nominations in '68 and '76 before making it in '80.
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once again you're full of it.
Mar 1, 2014, 6:32 PM
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I'm very familiar with Mr. Reagan's previous runs including Dr. Paul's endorsement of him - one of very few in the Congress and one of the first to do so.
suck it walrus
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Re: once again you're full of it.
Mar 1, 2014, 8:21 PM
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Really, then you should be aware that the "claim of lack of foreign policy experience" is a statement that has been made about every non-Washington insider that has ever been nominated for the Presidency and really it rarely plays out well. However, Reagan's lack of foreign policy experience was one of his shortcomings, his true strength was domestic policies.
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Walrus, 2 rules you need to be aware of
Mar 1, 2014, 8:27 PM
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Never fight a land war in Asia and never try and talk sense to a Ron Paul supporter. If you want to argue with a Ron Paul supporter it's best to just pull up the Ron Paul website and argue with that, because their argument will be a cut and paste from that site anyway.
Message was edited by: drewtigeralum03®
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Re: Walrus, 2 rules you need to be aware of
Mar 1, 2014, 8:52 PM
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Actually Drew, although I don't always agree with Ron Paul, I respect his intellect and do sometimes agree with him. Rand is a different story, and a pale reflection of his father.
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I sometimes agree with Ron Paul
Mar 1, 2014, 8:58 PM
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In my opinion Ron Paul is good at taking complex issues and pretending like they are simple. That's his schtick and he is good at it. I'm not saying he isn't intelligent, and I actually support some of his ideas. Libertarians make a lot of sense during the first 10 minutes of conversation, but after that the crazy starts to set in.
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Re: I sometimes agree with Ron Paul
Mar 1, 2014, 9:03 PM
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most I talk too start in on legalizing crack and eliminating all financial reforms in the first 5 minutes.
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You've got to slow play it a little
Mar 1, 2014, 9:04 PM
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Guide the conversation so you can get at their sane points before the legalizing crack and every man for himself economy talk starts.
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Re: I sometimes agree with Ron Paul
Mar 1, 2014, 9:08 PM
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Usually it's when they start talking about getting rid of the EPA and FDA that my eyes glaze over.
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That's around the 10 minute mark***
Mar 1, 2014, 9:16 PM
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Re: RAND PAUL
Feb 21, 2014, 9:54 PM
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Go ahead, the Democrats will thank you. And you can get Rick Santorum for his VP and probably give them the biggest win in US history.
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Rick Santorum and Rand Paul are
Feb 21, 2014, 10:00 PM
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polar opposites. Indeed, Santorum has more in common with Hillary Clinton than Dr. Paul.
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Re: Rick Santorum and Rand Paul are
Feb 21, 2014, 10:58 PM
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You are aware I was JOKING right? Santorum's treatment of Ron during the 2012 campaign would probably be enough to destroy that wedding! On the economy and foreign policy very far apart, yes, on size of government, still pretty far apart, on social issues, they are VERY
SIMILAR!
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All-In [47864]
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Rand is libertarian on social issues.
Feb 22, 2014, 9:58 PM
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Santorum is authoritarian conservative. very different positions.
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Re: Rand is libertarian on social issues.
Feb 23, 2014, 11:44 AM
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You must be one of those new "Tea Party" wannabe Libertarian Republicans if you believe Rand Paul is a libertarian on social issues. His views on government involvement in abortion and the gay marriage amendment would make a true(Barry Goldwater, old school) Libertarian throw up! And they are exactly the same as Santorum. And those are just off the top of my head.
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All-In [47864]
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lol, is that why Barry Goldwater Jr. endorsed
Mar 1, 2014, 6:31 PM
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him and his dad?
you're full of it Walrus
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Re: lol, is that why Barry Goldwater Jr. endorsed
Mar 1, 2014, 8:40 PM
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Wait a minute, are you really comparing one of our longest serving Senators, the founder of modern Conservatism, and the Patron Saint of the REAL LIBERTARIAN*(who believe in real personal liberty, not just what they agree with, and government control of liberties they don't agree with) party with his son, the guy who made a lackluster political career in House, thanks to daddy's name, who lost every election outside of his gerrymandered LA district, who is currently a huckster for a "Coin and Collectible" company of questionable quality and honesty? That's a joke right. He's another one of those "Tea Party" Republican wannabes. Yeah, if it wasn't for his daddy's name, who would care who Barry Jr. endorsed, as a matter fact, who does care?
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Re: lol, is that why Barry Goldwater Jr. endorsed
Mar 1, 2014, 8:48 PM
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Oh and by the way I feel the same way about Ron and Rand Paul. Although I don't always agree with Ron, I think that he is three times more intelligent, twice as honest, and ten times more capable than his son.
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CU Medallion [56231]
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A hyperpartisan firebrand is just what this country needs!***
Feb 22, 2014, 12:22 AM
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Legend [15751]
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I would love Huntsman/Ryan in '16.
Feb 25, 2014, 12:10 PM
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I hope these people run:
Huntsman
Ryan
Paul
Carson
Cruz
Christie
Walker
All will have something I'll want to hear on that stage.
I hope whoever wins the nomination will be prepared to be EXTREMELY unpopular, because to do what must be done for this country will not make friends.
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