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My little tidbit for the Wake fans
Oct 3, 2006, 11:01 AM
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Catahoula
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Posted: 10/3/06 11:12:03 am
Greetings, Demon Deacons,
It generally is not my practice to post on another team's message board, and when I do, it's generally to issue some kind words. Such is not the case here.
I am one of the parishioners of the redneck, uneducated Clemson flock. I must say, I've been quite shocked to read some of the Wake comments on here. I didn't know Wake fans had such zeal and compassion for football. I also didn't know they ranked on the level of NC State fans, South Carolina fans, and Maryland fans in regards to hospitality and politeness.
Then again, this board is probably only a microcosm of the entire Wake fan base and likely doesn't serve as a good representation of its entirety. For your sake, I at least hope it doesn't.
It was a post by 81Deac on this page,
http://mb16.scout.com/fwakeforestfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=78689.topic&start=181&stop=200, that attracted me to your board. More specifically, it was this statement:
"45-0, all you guys were going , we felt sorry for you or the final would have been 87-0. That game was the worst butt-kicking in the history of the ACC, and it was only 2003. Takes a lot for you guys to learn your lesson."
This statement is interesting considering that the final score was actually 45-17. The poster's statement further strengthens the idea that Wake fans know little about football or their own team.
However, the more striking statement was that it was "the worst butt-kicking in the history of the ACC" and that it takes a lot to learn our lesson.
Upon further review, I was able to locate some more prominent butt-kickings in the ACC storybooks:
2000: Clemson 55, Wake Forest 7
1989: Clemson 44, Wake Forest 10
1981: Clemson 82 (that's not a typo), Wake Forest 24
Of course, there are countless other thrashings of Wake Forest by Clemson in history, but there's no need to list them all. You may view a list of them here if you so wish:
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2005&team1=Clemson&team2=Wake+Forest
In short, the all-time record between Clemson and Wake Forest is 54-16. In the past 30 years, Wake Forest has defeated Clemson only six times.
Apparently, judging by the comments on this board, it is you Wake Forest fans who have yet to learn your lesson. You are, pardon the bluntness, our proverbial #####.
However, if the previous evidence isn't enough to convince you of your team's disparity over the years, allow me to introduce some more:
-Clemson has 13 ACC titles and a national championshp. Wake has one ACC title (1970).
-Wake has an all-time winning percentage of .404 with an ACC conference winning percentage of .359. These are the worst winning percentages of any ACC team. Clemson has an all-time winning percentage of .514 and an ACC percentage of .616.
-Wake has four bowl wins. Clemson has 14. Then again, your record isn't all that bad considering you've only been to seven bowl games in your history.
-Wake's all-time head-to-head records against Duke, Virginia, and UNC (other historical ACC cupcakes) are 30-50-2, 12-32, and 29-65-2, respectively.
Has the lesson been learned yet? If not, here's the Cliff Notes version: Wake Forest is one of the worst programs in NCAA football history and they continue that trend today.
Yes, Wake Forest is 5-0... against grossly inferior teams. Wake Forest has yet to meet any real challenge this year. That fact changes on Saturday. Clemson lost last year due to poor coaching and poor defensive play. Those coaching woes and defensive woes are gone this year. Our defense is giving up only 10.2 points a game. Wake barely eeked out 14 against Duke. I'll allow you to do the math.
Now, as is the case with most debates, facts usually fall on deaf ears when talking to the irrational. I fully expect the "we're a smarter school than you" argument. Okay, let's run with it:
Wake Forest is a private, liberal arts school. They can afford to be selective about their membership. Clemson is a major public, land-grant university. We cannot afford to be as selective. However, given Clemson's status, the school provides a good education. We serve a different purpose than Wake Forest. A Wake Forest fan looking down his nose at Clemson for academics would be same as a Clemson fan doing it to a technical college. They're different entities that serve different purposes.
However, to continually show that snobbery makes me wonder how many of you actually have set foot in a Wake Forest classroom. It reminds me of fairweather UGA fans who pick up their shirt at Wal-Mart just before the game. I think someone who actually went to Wake, since the school is as good as you all claim, would have the class, manners and gentlemanly demeanor to not make such comments towards others.
After all, showing such gross ignorance of another human being simply because of the institution where he or she received his or her degree ranks among the same ignorance of judging a person by the color of hisor skin, judging him or her by nationality, or judging the person by his or her economic upbringing.
While it's certainly honorable to be proud of your alma mater, it's naive and childish to think that every person of another school is "redneck" or "stupid" or "white trash."
But, going back to football, the real irritating nature is the sudden arrogance you have adopted over a few wins in football. Have you heard the saying, "Act like you've been there before?" Well, that's a practice y'all aren't exactly adopting. Then again, you haven't been there before.
You see, Clemson fans don't pretend to have a different history in basketball. We know our place. We know we have little to brag about in basketball. When we do have some success, we still know we have a long way to go. Sadly, you Wake Forest fans seem to think you are suddenly world beaters in football... and better than Clemson.
Anyway, I have pined on long enough. I think I've made my point. Have a good day, and, to prod the stereotype a bit more, here's an emoticon of Clemson fans living in a trailer:
:familyrv
Have a good day.
Peace,
Catahoula (who had high enough grades and SAT scores to get into Wake Forest)
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