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Rock Defender [54]
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Yes, we should have won, made FT's etc, but for about 7
Mar 9, 2012, 8:06 AM
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Minutes in the second half yesterday, we once again got absolutely jobbed by the refs and it screwed us. Watch the entire middle of the 2nd again. Milton not getting the charge call, out of bounds called on Tanner on the fast break when the ball was clearly tipped by VT, no foul called on VT on the loose ball they got back, the BS flagrant call........I'm just sick of this league and it's crappy refs who cannot call 2 halves in a similar fashion.
Again, I'm not saying its why we lost, but as a basketball fan it sucks to see the way ACC refs consistently bastardize the game.
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Re: Yes, we should have won, made FT's etc, but for about 7
Mar 9, 2012, 8:09 AM
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very well put. and the thing is,it seems to be all sports,not just bball.
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CU Medallion [64621]
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Officiating across the ACC has been substandard for years.
Mar 9, 2012, 8:16 AM
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The really disheartening part is the league is content to do absolutely nothing about it.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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I agree all of those calls were horrible (and in succession)
Mar 9, 2012, 8:09 AM
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except for the flagrant, Booker knew what he was doing when he popped his elbow up. Now the guy did play it up a bit, probably why it wasn't a flagrant 2, but that just sucked.
I still don't understand that loose ball that Tanner had and the VT guy can flying in and the ball went OoB, should've been a foul.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Tanner was about to lose his mind out there after the 2nd or
Mar 9, 2012, 8:16 AM
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3rd crappy call in a row. I gotta give it to him though, missed FT's aside, he left it all out on the floor last night. I'll always like him.....he squeezed every ounce of potential he had during his time here.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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I wish we could somehow take Tanner's motivation and
Mar 9, 2012, 8:22 AM
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put it into Booker or Jennings. We're going to need one of them to really step up and fulfill Tannner's role.
I hope our team makes it to the NIT to give them some more playing time (would be good for the freshman as well).
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CU Medallion [64621]
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With an RPI in the 140 range entering last nights game.....
Mar 9, 2012, 8:26 AM
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the loss to VT not only knocked Clemson out the ACC Tournament but most likely the NIT as well.
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CU Medallion [64621]
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Refs definitely changed the way they were calling the game
Mar 9, 2012, 8:11 AM
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in the second half.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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Yea, from what, 4 or 5 total fouls in the first half to 20+?***
Mar 9, 2012, 8:11 AM
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Re: Yes, we should have won, made FT's etc, but for about 7
Mar 9, 2012, 8:16 AM
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Heck, Obed---we got jobbed because we can't score and we committed terrible fouls. the head knock by Booker with his elbow and the Jennings foul on Greene along the sideline as he was falling out of bounds.
We played poorly and we deserved to lose. We never had an effective inside game against a team with 7 players. VT should have been in foul trouble & short-handed but instead we insisted on achieving that pedestal.
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Rock Defender [54]
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None of that has any bearing on my point though.***
Mar 9, 2012, 8:17 AM
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How about the layup Andre made and he got hammered, NO CALL,
Mar 9, 2012, 11:36 AM
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but Green, every time he drove the lane and put up a shot, foul on Clemson. And the 10 second call on Hall, when he got the ball after a turnover, and was not even being guarded. I mean, I don't think I have ever seen that called.
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Re: Yes, we should have won, made FT's etc, but for about 7
Mar 9, 2012, 8:26 AM
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We seemed to to do better in the first half when pushing the tempo. We stopped pushing it in the second. I do not think it was one of Brad's better coached games.
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Re: Yes, we should have won, made FT's etc, but for about 7
Mar 9, 2012, 8:29 AM
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The call you cite that involved Smith was definitely a bad call. The call on Booker was probably technically the correct call. Jennings is part of the reason we didn't get the charging call. If he had held his position I think he would have gotten the call. Instead, he started flopping a little bit before contact actually occurred.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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I owe a buddy of mine an apology. I debated with him via
Mar 9, 2012, 8:38 AM
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text last night for a few minutes this very issue of refs being the problem last night, with me not knowing what in the world he was talking about, and even citing TigerNet not being in ref complaining mode as an example of how nobody thought the refs cost us....and then I wake up to this whinefest. Apology extended to Tigerjebus.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Soon as you get outta smug mode, read again.
Mar 9, 2012, 9:16 AM
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I wasn't claiming it cost us.....I was complaining that officiating injected itself absolutely unnaturally into the flow of the game, which is the rule far more than the exception in ACC play. If you get two consistently called halves (which should be the norm) in the ACC, it's like winning the lottery.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Either way, and I'll say this while I'm in smug mode still,
Mar 9, 2012, 9:22 AM
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the fact the refs are being talked about is a sad, tired, pathetic discussion that always, ALWAYS, without fail comes up when we lose, and mysteriously is nowhere to be found when we win. Last night I didn't see much of this going on after the loss. I don't know how it was during the game because I learned long ago not to ever be on T-Net during a game because it is like listening to toddlers fight with each other. Everyone last night seemed to be under the impression our shooting woes, cold stretch, and free throw shooting did us in.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Oh I've commented on it also during wins, but it certainly
Mar 9, 2012, 9:27 AM
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was from a "got a little help from the zebras" standpoint.
As a fan of the game, I just think it sucks out loud that the supposed "premiere" basketball conference in the nation has some of the consistently worst refs.
I watch other conferences, and regardless of whether the refs are calling the games tight or loose, it's generally that way the ENTIRE game. It is generally NOT called this way in the ACC and if you are a basketball purist, it's maddening.
It would be like in baseball if an ump completely changes the strike zone in the 5th or 6th inning. You guys seem to be ok with it though, so carry on, just be sure to reference yourself as an "ACC basketball fan" instead of a basketball fan moving forward, cause the way the refs changed mid-stream last night, WASN'T basketball as Naismith intended it.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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Filo Betto always has the same schtick when it comes to this***
Mar 9, 2012, 9:29 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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And likewise, Soccerkrzy. Most definitley, likewise. You are
Mar 9, 2012, 9:35 AM
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right. About every 6 to 7 games, I have to come in here and comment on the absurdity of it all. Be thankful I don't do this after every game we lose because believe me, the schtick of complaining and blaming refs for our losses is always here, like a dark cloud.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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"most definitely, likewise"...lol, okay...***
Mar 9, 2012, 9:39 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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You know what I'm saying.....whether the proper English was
Mar 9, 2012, 9:47 AM
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used or not.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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There was a pre-determined result and even the "quiet" crowd
Mar 9, 2012, 9:53 AM
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could see it. Like they said, they know who's gonna' commit the fouls before the game begins. "Tendencies."
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CU Guru [1446]
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Consistency is all we ask for Filo,like I told you last
Mar 9, 2012, 10:04 AM
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WE lost the game,but there were ALOT of horrible calls in 2nd half....ACC refs refuse to just "let em play".If you can't see that,then no one will ever change your mind
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Orange Blooded [3730]
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CU Guru [1446]
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Watch some other tourny games today,ACC refs are by
Mar 9, 2012, 10:16 AM
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far the worst.All you have to do is go inside and a foul will be called...period
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Orange Blooded [2420]
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Re: Watch some other tourny games today,ACC refs are by
Mar 9, 2012, 11:51 AM
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I dont know why yall whine about the refs. They keep doing the same thing with the same results. Both the refs and the whiners. Anything to keep Clemson down. If you play well enough,you take the refs out of the game so to speak.
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CU Guru [1446]
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Show me where I blame the refs for the loss...it's
Mar 9, 2012, 12:25 PM
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consistency,call the 2nd half the way you called the 1st.That's my problem with ACC refs.It's not just our games,it's the whole conference.Like I said,watch some other tourny games today,there is a noticeable difference in the quality of refs.
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Orange Blooded [2480]
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Yep, I agree with you and Milton 100%***
Mar 10, 2012, 7:09 AM
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