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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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The irony of you pro-boo'ers is you're probably
Oct 23, 2012, 5:15 PM
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against the Westboro Baptist Church wholeheartedly.
Keep living to your double standards.
The booing was wrong in that situation, if you cannot see that it was wrong, you're simply rude, moronic, and deserve no respect.
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Re: The irony of you pro-boo'ers is you're probably
Oct 23, 2012, 5:20 PM
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Wth does the Westboro Baptist Chuch have to do anything?
I don't know if that's a red herring, a straw man, or just plain dumb.
Try a different example.
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110%er [6169]
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It's a valid point
Oct 23, 2012, 5:22 PM
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At least if you are aware of Westboro's actions.
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He's saying Westboro has every right to
Oct 23, 2012, 5:23 PM
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protest dead soldiers coming home. It still makes them disgusting. Booing the Prez is not about 1st amendment rights. It's about what is appropriate and inappropriate.
Same thing Barker was saying.
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Re: He's saying Westboro has every right to
Oct 23, 2012, 5:24 PM
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I am amazed someone from that church hasn't been shot or seriously injured for pulling their carp.
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I'm surprised President Obama hasn't sent out a mass email
Oct 23, 2012, 5:26 PM
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to all Americans saying that we should be classier.
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CU Medallion [67995]
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he doesnt have to he just directs
Oct 23, 2012, 5:29 PM
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his liberal media minions and toadies to take care of this and they do
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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I didn't boo, and I was insulted to get email for a fellow
Oct 23, 2012, 5:29 PM
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alum cocnerning the booing. My parents taught me how to behave even before I entered Clemson, and my Clemson education further enhanced my values. The error in all this was having a solemn ceremony before 80,000 football fans. It should have been in an intimate setting before family and close friends.
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CU Medallion [67995]
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I think this is a good point
Oct 23, 2012, 5:34 PM
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it was the type environment where there was yelling and screaming and then all of a sudden you had to be respectful. many people just couldnt grasp that
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Bunch of football thugs
Oct 24, 2012, 9:51 AM
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just there for the blood!
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Rock Defender [54]
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b-b-b-b-bbbut
Oct 23, 2012, 5:24 PM
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Obama sucks, man!
-Climpsin fan
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I hated you in Tron 2***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:25 PM
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HAHAAH point.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:31 PM
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We prefer Pro-Free-Speech rabble, oh high and mighty
Oct 23, 2012, 5:24 PM
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Neo-Loyalists
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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My post was not political. I support neither
Oct 23, 2012, 5:28 PM
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candidate running, both are equally inept and will do nothing for our country.
My post was about right and wrong, and booing the president during a sacred and treasured moment for those cadets, their family, and our country was wrong. Sure, you may have your right to free speech, but that doesn't stop you from being an as#####. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church, which is not a straw-man argument.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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But.. But... I don't get it...
Oct 23, 2012, 5:32 PM
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No one was picketing a dead president's funeral.
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Re: The irony of you pro-boo'ers is you're probably
Oct 23, 2012, 5:30 PM
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This comparison makes you a complete and total a**hole , booing at a football game is a god given right especially for people that by tickets. Showing up to a dead soldiers funeral to tell the deceaseds family that the soldier deserved to.die because of Americas stance on gays deserves the death penalty.
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Do both not fall under "Free speech"?
Oct 23, 2012, 5:32 PM
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I hate Westboro with a passion, but the analogy is spot on.
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lol how so??? ^^^ homeboy stretching for something.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:38 PM
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That made no sense. If you think those who booed
Oct 23, 2012, 5:34 PM
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were booing the troops, you're as dumb as you seem to look. They were booing Obama, so get a clue
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That's your thought process? Seriously?***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:36 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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More irony in you calling me dumb for not even
Oct 23, 2012, 5:38 PM
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being able to comprehend the analogy I made.
Those that are pro-booing are saying it is free speech. Yet, they're vehemently against the Westboro Church, which is doing the exact same exercise.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Its not about if it's "free speech" or not...
Oct 23, 2012, 5:40 PM
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It's about the motive behind it... it wasn't done out of hate for the troups or military... it was the crowd stating their political stance. Just like if there had been a HUGE uproar instead of a boo. It is political not hateful.
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110%er [8015]
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^^^Still doesn't get it.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:41 PM
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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LOL i get it... it was rude. I didn't boo.
Oct 23, 2012, 5:43 PM
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I'm just saying the analogy is a little dramatic.
That like when Conservatives compare Obama to Hitler and call him a socialist... it just as ridiculous a claim...
People weren't being hateful no matter how much you apparently wish they were being.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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How are you still misunderstanding the analogy?***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:45 PM
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Explain it then? I get it... I just think it's weak.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:46 PM
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Re: ^^^Still doesn't get it.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:44 PM
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No he gets it, it's you who doesn't get it. Who are you to tell them they're wrong for booing? Really none of your business what they do? You have the right to express your view, but by calling them names and not even knowing them shows you're judgmental
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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Oh the irony.
Oct 23, 2012, 5:46 PM
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Westboro Baptist Church has every right to express their view, using your own logic there is nothing wrong with WBC. And that is exactly the irony, but you do think what WBC does is wrong.
And I didn't call anyone names, in fact, you called me names.
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You're the one not getting it...
Oct 23, 2012, 5:50 PM
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Yes it's freedom speech. We're not really arguing that though. Just because WBC isn't legally wrong doesn't mean it's not rude, insensitive, terrible, etc...
It's the difference in how everyone is interpreting the booing. It is free speech. Some thing it's wrong. some think its okay. Who gives a ####.
the POINT is your analogy is comparing something extremely vile and evil, but still legal to something that is somewhat offensive and ill-timed, and still legal.
Thus your argument = weak.
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Re: Oh the irony.
Oct 23, 2012, 5:52 PM
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Sure you did, you said if you cannot see it, then you're moronic, you believe I can't see your way, so I must be ignorant in your view.
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Yeah and they can boo Westboro also
Oct 23, 2012, 5:42 PM
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To even put those folks booing Obama in with Westboro. Yeah they have free speech and who are you to determine that it is wrong to boo Obama? Had nothing to do with the troops, but Obama. You don't even know the people who booed, so you're blindly judging them, what does that say of you
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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It is impossible to argue with someone who can't
Oct 23, 2012, 5:44 PM
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even understand the original argument I posted.
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Re: It is impossible to argue with someone who can't
Oct 23, 2012, 5:45 PM
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I get it, you hated the booing and now name calling those who booed, whom you don't even know personally. You don't like it, good for you, some did and booed Obama. You don't determine what is right or wrong
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Dude...think. Just think.
Oct 23, 2012, 5:47 PM
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The point is flying over your head while you're looking down at your own shadow.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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Re: Obviously you do not get it.***
Oct 23, 2012, 5:49 PM
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and obviously you don't see your judgmental attitude toward people who you have no idea who they are. Works two ways
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Bottomline is to put Westboro in the same sentence
Oct 23, 2012, 5:47 PM
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as Obama booers, shows your ignorance, O and I can TD also
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Okay...lemme spell it out for you.
Oct 23, 2012, 5:51 PM
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The point is not to compare the booers and Westboro as being equally bad.
The point is that both are exercising their right to free-speech. However, you think Westboro is bad for it, right?
The point merely emphasizes time and place, and neither one of those groups apparently have a good sense of that.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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I was explaining the double standard and irony
Oct 23, 2012, 5:49 PM
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of those that are pro-booing because it is free speech, and yet are vehemently against the Westboro Baptist Church.
And sure, WBC = boohoo'ers, in that they are expressing their right to free speech. Both are equally wrong, obviously WBC is "more" wrong.
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You say booing at that moment is wrong, who ordained
Oct 23, 2012, 5:50 PM
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you to declare right and wrong?
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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You cannot be helped, continue living in your
Oct 23, 2012, 5:51 PM
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rude and disrespectful life.
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Re: You cannot be helped, continue living in your
Oct 23, 2012, 6:02 PM
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More judging and keep living in your judgmental world. Who said I booed? I didn't actually, but am not gonna tell people they're wrong for doing so, as i'm not the one who defines that
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How do you STILL not get it???
Oct 23, 2012, 6:05 PM
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Jeebus, it's like you're trying to not read anything anyone says ever.
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Exactly and the real irony is they bash booers
Oct 23, 2012, 6:04 PM
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yet can't see their own judgmental attitude by blasting people they don't even know. So many make a mole hill into a mountain. Hypocrisy
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Re: It is impossible to argue with someone who can't
Oct 23, 2012, 5:50 PM
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I think everyone understands that you're trying to point out a sort of hypocrisy among the booers --- who apparently are touting freedom of speech in this instance. You're saying that those same people are the first to try and restrict the speech of the WBC when it upsets them. I get that. I think everyone does.
However, that whole argument rests on the assumption that those who don't have a problem with the booing inherently have a problem with the Westboro Baptist Church. An assumption...that at least when I'm speaking for myself....is patently false.
Assuming someone's position and misrepresenting it to point to a conclusion is the definition of a straw man.
Have you considered that there are people who support freedom of speech in ALL instances? Including both the booing and the WBC? That's my issue with the OP.
You're creating this dichotomy that doesn't have to exist. The definition of the partisanship which you claim to oppose.
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Oculus Spirit [81994]
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Thank you, I'm sure Bryant & TigerGrad will
Oct 23, 2012, 5:56 PM
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say that's what they've been trying to say as well, lol.
You are one of the few, and I said probably, as in assuming several or most, not necessarily all.
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Nope, jusy showing you are judgmental***
Oct 23, 2012, 6:06 PM
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How is that not what ive been saying.
Oct 23, 2012, 6:06 PM
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Granted its a bit more cleary spelled out.
Lookat my post above this one. Im half agreeing with you here...
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Re: More irony in you calling me dumb for not even
Oct 23, 2012, 9:26 PM
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the difference is the football fans came to watch football and in front of 80,000 people not everything will be seen as sacred especially when politics are introduced . Westboro shows up to tell families that their loved one gave their life for nothing at a sacred event. the last time I went to a Clemson game a student on the hill would not stop screaming 'go tigers' over and over during the National Anthem . I politely told him to shut up or I would stomp his ### into mud , who was wrong?
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Real irony is the booing was 99% from the student section
Oct 23, 2012, 5:46 PM
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not the general fans
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wrong. . . but not illegal***
Oct 23, 2012, 6:03 PM
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Lol bryantiger
Oct 23, 2012, 6:05 PM
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You have proven your ignorance enough times already just quit commenting....I'm guessed you weren't there in 2nd grade when the teacher went over analogies
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Re: Lol bryantiger
Oct 23, 2012, 6:07 PM
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Another judgmental person, also i'll quit posting when I feel like it, ok junior?
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Re: Lol bryantiger
Oct 23, 2012, 10:17 PM
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The analogy was and is ####### horrible , I stood beside my friend while they buried his brother in front of his mother,father,sister-in-law,niece and nephew. Comparing booing at a football game to what Westboro dirtbags do at a soldiers , a father , a husbands , a sons funeral is simply ignorant and it pisses me off to no end because I have walked in those shoes . Soccercrazy is a ####### ###### that has not lived a tough day in his life and needs to get over a little bit of booing because our administration decides to bring things that dont belong into the football atmosphere. If you have a problem with what I say , message me and I will give you my address and we can talk about it like men otherwise all of you are speaking from your ### and need to grow up . Booing at a football game and Westboro Church never ever needs to be mentioned in the same sentence again.
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Just open up your mind
Oct 23, 2012, 6:13 PM
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Westboro baptist church: has the right to protest People that booed: had the freedom of speech to be able.....but it's stupid of both of them because the thing they're trying to protest or show they're opinion of has nothing to do with them, it only takes away from someone else's important moments
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Booing was rude and in poor taste.
Oct 23, 2012, 6:48 PM
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But if rude and in poor taste were illegal, there would be no University of South Carolina Football program.
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Re: Booing was rude and in poor taste.
Oct 23, 2012, 10:41 PM
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Lets be honest here, If booing Obama is "rude and in poor taste" then about 90% of what goes on when we play the Coots is "rude and in poor taste."
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Re: The irony of you pro-boo'ers is you're probably
Oct 23, 2012, 9:40 PM
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? Don't see your point at all. It was actually funny being there. No harm no foul. Was at a Springsteen show a few years back and he dedicated a song to president Clinton. He got a big boo. It ain't a dbl standard Bo even the liberal ### Boss laughed. Get a sense of humor
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Re: The irony of you pro-boo'ers is you're probably
Oct 23, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Put down the crack pipe and slowly come back to reality> What the heck are you talking about Willis?
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Another one that doesn't get it.^^^***
Oct 24, 2012, 9:59 AM
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Should I not boo westboro???***
Oct 23, 2012, 10:30 PM
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All-American [598]
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Remember when the
Oct 23, 2012, 10:38 PM
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liberal Furman professors disrespected President Bush during his visit in 2008?
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Rock Defender [54]
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hole hardedly agreed soccerkryz***
Oct 24, 2012, 9:04 AM
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Orange Blooded [2293]
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I think we need more baptisms.....
Oct 24, 2012, 9:35 AM
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WWPND?
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All-TigerNet [10939]
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I support their right of free speech, but am against the
Oct 24, 2012, 9:59 AM
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things that they say.
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Hall of Famer [21284]
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Here is the problem with your argument...
Oct 24, 2012, 12:06 PM
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The people that booed the president booed him... and him directly. Ill-timed... yes. WBC is booing at funerals. They are saying that the troop deserved to die. They are booing 'in protest of war', which would be the president's decision. So they should be booing the president as well, not going to funerals of those that sacrificed their lives and booing them. Does that make sense?
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All-In [27390]
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Re: Here is the problem with your argument...
Oct 24, 2012, 1:49 PM
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Makes lots of sense. I wish Obama had never started this war that has cost us taxpayers trillions of dollars that we don't have!
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