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well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:04 PM
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BRENTSON BUCKNER
Position: Defensive tackle
Years lettered: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993
Notable accomplishments: Earned All-ACC honors in 1993 as a senior. Led defensive linemen in tackles that season and was the defensive MVP of a Peach Bowl victory over Kentucky. Three-year starter who finished his career ranked third in school history in sacks behind Michael Dean Perry and William Perry. Played professionally for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati Bengals, San Francisco 49ers and Carolina Panthers.
"I think this football program is at a crossroads. I don't think it's where it used to be. I don't think it's even as good as where Ken Hatfield had it in his first three years. I think it's at a stage where an identity needs to be set. I think too many outside distractions are put up to camouflage the weaknesses.
"Yeah, we might have a Top 5 recruiting class. We've been in the Top 10 in recruiting the last six years. But what's in our trophy case? I don't want to hear about we've got four five-stars coming in. I don't want to hear about the best guys in Florida coming in. That's great. I applaud you for recruiting. Now, can you get those guys to win on Saturday?
"I don't want to hear about 'This is a process,' or, 'These kids have to learn.' Every coach in college, you recruit the guys you want. You get some, you don't. But everybody starts off with a new batch of guys. Now, can you get these guys to play? Give me the bottom line. Give me wins. Give me ACC championships. Give me bigger bowl games. That's what I want. That's what Clemson was when I came to it.
"We're not there now. Supposedly we've got the coach that everybody wanted. Great guy, 'All In,' good speaker, charismatic. Now, can you win games?
"Clemson is not a physical team. We have no identity. We have some great players. C.J. Spiller was one of the greatest college players ever. Da'Quan Bowers was one of the most physically gifted football players I have ever seen in my life. But guess what? If you can't run the ball and smash somebody in the mouth, you can't win. It's not about having the best players. Clemson has won games before not having the best players. Chris Morocco wasn't one of the Top 100 quarterbacks in the country. DeChane Cameron wasn't one of the Top 100 quarterbacks in the country. Rodney Williams wasn't one of the Top 100 quarterbacks in the country. But you know what? They were winners. They were football players. And that's what Clemson is lacking. Clemson has a lot of great athletes that run fast and jump high. Show me the Ed McDaniels that go to small schools and nobody wants them, but they can come in and become All-Americans. Show me the Rob Bodines, guys that beat all the odds to become great players.
"We don't have football players. We look good on the outside, but our engine is horrible. We're a Ferrari with a Pinto engine."
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:08 PM
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Hate to admit it but his words are hard to argue with !!
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:11 PM
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"Yeah, we might have a Top 5 recruiting class. We've been in the Top 10 in recruiting the last six years. But what's in our trophy case?"
He's got a point. It all boils down to one thing..
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amen! we are not feared anymore b/c we're not physical!***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:14 PM
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Clemson football "A Ferrari with a Pinto Engine" great quote***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:17 PM
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Well said. Can't argue with him***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:18 PM
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i went to clemson fyi***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:24 PM
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But you are not really a Tiger fan are you?***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:40 PM
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:18 PM
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He's right on the mark. And he knows better than most what it means to be a tough football player.
He's one of my favorites.
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:18 PM
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shoot, the truth hurts.it's past time to reclaim what is rightfully ours (acc,state championships),i do think we have the coaches in place to do just that.tha assistant coaches are (collectively) the best group we've had in a while.we need to win with the hand that we were dealt,no excuses accepted.
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Hard to argue with the man. If you want respect, you gotta
Jun 27, 2011, 4:19 PM
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earn it with more W's and fewer L's. It'd be interesting to know what changes BB would like to see.
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Tommy Bowden made us REAL soft and I think Dabo will
Jun 27, 2011, 4:20 PM
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make Clemson tough again
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Just look at the Auburn game last year, was that soft?***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:21 PM
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^^^true! i think CTB was the culprit- i am already seeing...
Jun 27, 2011, 4:24 PM
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progress. dabo got tommy's boys to play harder- can't wait to see what he can do w/ his own chillens!!!
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Re: Just look at the Auburn game last year, was that soft?***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:33 PM
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Yes, Dabo looked like we had this in the bag at half time, smiling, joking, and slapping guys on the back. Of course we know what happened after half time...
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Talking about being physical, not the outcome and as
Jun 27, 2011, 4:36 PM
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the announcer said there is some serious hitting going on in this game
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If we had been REALLY physical, we would have never
Jun 27, 2011, 5:24 PM
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given up 21 points in the 3rd quarter. We let our foot off the gas. That's not being physical
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dont think he advocated changes necessarily just more giving
Jun 27, 2011, 4:38 PM
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a direction we need to go. I didnt really see in that a call that Dabo wasnt the guy, just things Dabo or any coach for that matter needs to get back to. His statements date back and cover 10 plus yrs so it would be hard to say the statements were specifically a judgement on Dabo.
however, I think if you look at the changes Dabo has made, Dabo is trying to move in the direction of Buckner's comments. Since Dabo took charge he has put more emphasis on toughness. He hired Steele a hardnose tough defensive coach that is an aggressor and tries to dictate to the offense (unlike Koenning who was passice and bend but dont break). After seeing that Napier wasnt working out, he hired Morris, who on paper will bring the same approach as Steele as being an aggressive play caller and dictating to the opposition. He brings in Caldwell who is known for physical oline play. You can fault Dabo for not doing this sooner, but the fact is when he had to face the music, he has stepped up and seems to have made solid hires while killing the rectuing trail.
Dabo is a young coach and is learning on the fly (like it/agree with the hire or not thats how it is and thats what we have to deal with atleast a season or 2 more) I think the thing to be encouraged about is unlike Bowden when Dabo has seen that changes need to be made he has made them. Yeah he covered for Napier during the season, but based on what took place that was just show for the media and inside he knew a change was needed considering he interviewed Morris before the bowl game. I think Dabo has learned quickly that he will only be as succesful as the staff he surrounds himself with and he appears to now have a pretty solid staff. If he could now just get some help from the school to allow some of the other support he wants ie making it easier to recruit Juco players when needed, practice facilities, etc..
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Re: dont think he advocated changes necessarily just more giving
Jun 27, 2011, 9:55 PM
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That's why he used the term "crossroads". That's the perfect description for this moment in Clemson football history.
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:26 PM
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A year or so back; this guy also advised potential Clemson recruits, not to attend Clemson. I haven't cared much for anything he's had to say since.
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:46 PM
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We can keep slapping our selves on the back for playing so good against Auburn all we want, we still found a way to lose. Who knows if Auburn just played a bad first half. Something is missing an I can't put my finger on it and it seems like nobody else can either. If we turn it around this year, everything will fall into place an thing will go back to normal. If we don't, who's contemplating our next move and what is it. I don't think getting rid of Dabo is the right answer. Besides that what are the choices?
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 7:07 PM
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Did you actually watch the game?
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Completely agree....we are a ferrari with a pinto engine***
Jun 27, 2011, 4:58 PM
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 27, 2011, 4:59 PM
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Seems that time has enhanced Mr. Buckner's memory. He did play on the ACC Championship team in 1991, but Florida State wasn't yet eligible for football. From 1992 on Clemson played second fiddle to the Seminoles even though Mr. Brucker's Tigers "were physical" and "had an identity." Yes, he was the MVP in the Peach Bowl, over Kentucky, for heaven's sake. That's a big time football program. Maybe, just maybe, we can get back to winning 9 games per season and coming in 3rd in the ACC behind Florida State and Virginia Tech. That'd duplicate our achievements during his time at CU with one exception. Seems to me Mr. Buckner's efforts would be better spent trying to help improve the program rather than taking cheap shots. It's just a thought...
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Perspective makes everything different. Plus 1.
Jun 28, 2011, 8:06 AM
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I'm disappointed in Brentson's tone. If I were Dabo, I'd have a talk with him and see if I could recruit him to be a little more loyal as the opposition. Clearly, he has chosen an adversarial role. I could make his point without being so destructive. We were better with Hatfield? Really? When Tommy West got here, the cupboard was bare. It wasn't much better when Tommy Bowden got here.
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100% truth... and it's the truth that some of us have
Jun 27, 2011, 5:00 PM
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been preaching since Dabo took over.
However, most people don't want to face the truth.. those folks live and breathe off of enthusiasm and the personality of a coach over actual results.
Brenston couldn't have said it better. Glad someone spoke up. I hope this lands on Dabo and Co.'s desks. They need to hear it from someone who has been in the program.
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I also love how none of the Dabo homers aren't responding
Jun 27, 2011, 5:07 PM
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to this post...
See: StanleyTiger, AThomas, Deroberts, etc..
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Re: I also love how none of the Dabo homers aren't responding
Jun 27, 2011, 5:15 PM
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I am a CLEMSON supporter all the way! If that makes me a Dabo homer then count me in!!I do not see how these negative post and guys trying to ruin our team help the TIGERS in any way. Dabo is OUR coach so lets all get behind OUR team!
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I'm a Clemson supporter too. but support shouldn't
Jun 27, 2011, 5:20 PM
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hide the truth. Does that mean that Brenston Buckner isn't a supporter because of what he said??
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Re: I'm a Clemson supporter too. but support shouldn't
Jun 27, 2011, 7:19 PM
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Apparently.
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Re: I'm a Clemson supporter too. but support shouldn't
Jun 27, 2011, 7:20 PM
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Nope it means that it's a good thing he was good at football, otherwise he would have spent a lot of hungry nights.
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Re: I also love how none of the Dabo homers aren't responding
Jun 27, 2011, 7:18 PM
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Not a "homer" either but "What's with all the negative vibes, man?" As much as everyone complains about all the positive projections on the new recruits who have yet to play, it is equally as bad with all the negative projections on coaching. Nobody knows and anybody who claims to is self-delusional.
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Gospel.***
Jun 27, 2011, 5:15 PM
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at least give us an Escort GT engine!!
Jun 27, 2011, 5:22 PM
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c'mon man!!!!
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How about a GT engine?***
Jun 27, 2011, 7:02 PM
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He makes a lot of great points. We have been a soft team
Jun 27, 2011, 7:05 PM
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for over a decade. The 2008 Alabama debacle brought the point home hard and fast on the rest of the world but we'd all seen it for too long before that. I hope he's also directing a lot of that talk as a challenge to the new recruits coming in to be ready to take it up a notch instead of putting them down for coming in as high achieving high schoolers, or for the coaching staff and going out and attracting the country's top talent to come here.
I'm not sure if Buckner is paying close enough attention to the changes that have been going on around here lately, and if he's had a chance to get to know the young athletes that Dabo's brought in. There's a toughness shaping up all around this team. These coaching changes were huge this off-season. CS went out and brought in challenging leadership to fill obvious voids. Who knows whether his original choices were limited to what he had to work with back then. Regardless, he stepped up and has taken us in a much stronger and more demanding direction. It's hard for anyone to argue that point, though we don't have the wins to support it over these past two years.
The Auburn game was a classic coaching blunder that hopefully a young coach has learned a tough painful lesson from and not to repeat again. What else can you say. Beyond that we were playing a different level of football for three quarters, a brand of football we haven't seen around since, say, 1991.
We've had to cycle out the soft mentality of the TB years in the players and many of the coaches. Dabo's one of the last men standing from that. His recruiting, and maybe his hiring, have been exceptional. Maybe he will have learned from his past sideline gaffes and become a winning coach from all this. He's certainly assembled the right pieces. Has he picked up on better gameday skills yet? Don't know. It's a new season coming up and we're about to find out. Along the way, I'd hope former players would encourage the team to get it done, versus telling them they can't. I can't really tell which position Buckner has here.
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all true under Bowden. Some truth under Dabo
Jun 27, 2011, 9:59 PM
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I think we have been more physical under Dabo. I think bringing in a new OC and O line coach were the correct decisions.
I don't think it is fair to criticize Dabo for the Bowden years. Let's give him his own full 4 years and then judge.
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Re: well just for sake of dt here are Buckners latest comments
Jun 28, 2011, 2:45 AM
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When I grew up, my parents always told me, "If you can't say something nice, (or constructive) don't say anything"...negativity is contagious...(sidenote) seems there were people left wandering in the wilderness, for all their complaining.
Sports and Business spend millions+ of dollars on positive reinforcement and "Can Do" training. If it wasn't important the money wouldn't follow. If you say you can, or can't, you are correct! If you are to criticize, offer suggestions for improvement..'be a builder.
To those that say we aren't physical, how do you end tied for 9th place in the country, for fewest points per game allowed (2010)? Does anyone want to tell Chad Diehl he's not physical enough? And sure seems there is NFL interest in our players... Sure we NEEDED immediate changes, and they have been made! You always search for areas of improvement. There ARE positive things happening, o bearers of negativity, and coots...
GO TIGERS! BE PAWSITIVE!
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Agreed.***
Jun 28, 2011, 2:55 AM
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Upon reading his comments...
Jun 28, 2011, 8:16 AM
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While I respect him as a former player, I'm reminded of a metaphor regarding opinions...
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Haha, I read you.
Jun 28, 2011, 8:28 AM
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And roger that.
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Hey, Brentson........
Jun 28, 2011, 8:15 AM
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Clemson is coming. -- Stephone Anthony
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