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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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To take Jhop's post back to the basics and expand...
Dec 5, 2018, 12:57 PM
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just enough to make my previous point...like I said, pubs's ideology is based on reason not emotions.
""And I have been saying at all of our Senate Democratic retreats," Hirono continued, "we need to speak to the heart—not in a manipulative way, not in a way that brings forth everybody's fears or resentments—but truly to speak to the heart so that people know that we're actually on their side." Mazie Hirono (D) HI
https://www.newsweek.com/mazie-hirono-democrats-hearts-minds-civility-supreme-court-judges-brett-1245290
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This is just like numberous liberals in here
Dec 5, 2018, 2:05 PM
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That claim superior intelligence and routinely call others that disagree with them various names such as idiot, moran, a**hat, etc.
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Can't tell if ironic post is ironic but...
Dec 5, 2018, 2:22 PM
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You call people names here all the time when they disagree with you.
Hell, you challenge people to fights at your tailgate. Emotion much?
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Re: To take Jhop's post back to the basics and expand...
Dec 5, 2018, 2:21 PM
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It's pretty oversimplistic to argue that either side's ideology is based on just reason or emotion. They both embrace these qualities.
There have been too many right-wing reactions driven by emotion (examples provided upon request) to claim that their actions are all logic-driven.
I've posted this before, but Jonathan Haidt hit it more perfectly. The farther left you go, you put more emphasis on care and fairness. The farther right you go, you put more emphasis on sanctity, loyalty, and authority. Both sides view fairness in different ways. Both are driven by logic and emotion. People are moreso driven by emotion, however, and will then go to their logic to justify it.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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Capitalism vs socialism.
Dec 5, 2018, 8:14 PM
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Capitalist behave on the premise that human drive for gain is the solution to most problems because humans will figure it out while socialist believe they already have it all figured out and government is the ultimate solution to all problems. Which sounds like logic and reason to you?
Does it not offend you that the crazy bit ch from Hawaii thinks that dem voters are stupid?
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Re: Capitalism vs socialism.
Dec 5, 2018, 10:29 PM
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Capitalist behave on the premise that human drive for gain is the solution to most problems because humans will figure it out while socialist believe they already have it all figured out and government is the ultimate solution to all problems. Which sounds like logic and reason to you?
You operate on the assumption that everyone who leans right supports capitalism and everyone who leans left supports socialism. False dichotomy. I mean, look at Trumpies. If they support his economic actions, they don't support real capitalism.
You also don't seem to have a good definition for either capitalism or socialism.
You know what's emotional? Calling for boycotts of products or players or companies based on their political beliefs. Pretty sure people on both sides of that are guilty. Did you know conservatives are also more susceptible to false articles and information because they usually play upon the emotion of fear?
Does it not offend you that the crazy bit ch from Hawaii thinks that dem voters are stupid?
I don't care what crazy ####### in Hanahan think let alone crazy ones in Hawaii.
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Boycotts
Dec 6, 2018, 8:26 AM
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You wrote: "Calling for boycotts of products or players or companies based on their political beliefs. Pretty sure people on both sides of that are guilty."
It seems to me that only boycotts from the left are the ones that get attention. For instance, Hobby Lobby, Chic-Fil-A or liberal colleges cancelling conservative speakers.
Would appreciate a few examples of where a right wing boycott had any impact.
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Re: Boycotts
Dec 6, 2018, 9:12 AM
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Sure thing. NFL, Kuerig, Starbucks, Nike, Nordstrom, Netflix, and even Budweiser (remember that immigration ad during the Super Bowl?)
Why would you think only weakling leftists would boycott? Weakling righties boycott when their feelings are hurt, too.
As far as impact, none of those boycotts have an impact because boycotts are stupid and smart marketing folks know controversy can sell more than scare people away. Like Nike.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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That's true but it speaks not to whether either is wrong.
Dec 6, 2018, 9:42 AM
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Imo, people can spend their money however they please. I also believe it relieves the social media pressure if a company is counting money rather than hits or tweet likes.
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My only point is...
Dec 6, 2018, 10:01 AM
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Boycotts over political stances are emotional reactions, not decisions based in logic, and they occur regardless of political affiliation. They're quite common on both ends.
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Re: My only point is...
Dec 6, 2018, 10:36 AM
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And if you look at the substance of the protests at least the left is doing it over real issues- cop/citizen relations, equal rights, etc.....
The right is crying about songs and commercials. Lol.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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Not so.
Dec 6, 2018, 2:14 PM
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Some may be emotional about what they boycott but the concept of a boycott is that a company counts dollars more than social considerations. It's always been that way. Every decision made holds economics above all.
It was you, if I'm not mistaken, who said the Nike knew exactly what they were doing when they started the campaign with Kaepernick. Economics, not social or moral considerations drove the move. Folks who boycotted Nike did so to get them to change end the campaign, how did that work out?
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Re: Not so.
Dec 6, 2018, 2:28 PM
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Please. The Nike boycotts were not over anything logical, and the ads worked in Nike's favor. Their sales went up.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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That's what I said.
Dec 6, 2018, 2:44 PM
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You reiterated my argument. The Nike marketing people knew their chit. It wasn't a social statement it was an economic statement. People who boycotted made their economic statement.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong...
Dec 6, 2018, 3:04 PM
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It sounds like you're arguing that the Nike boycotts were well thought out plans. I argue they were emotional hissy fits.
I mean, you had people burning Nike stuff they had already purchased.
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Re: Boycotts
Dec 6, 2018, 11:43 AM
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Incorrect. People on the Right boycott when they see organizations adopting degenerate ideals that are proven to be regressive and harmful to society.
Leftism is built upon the foundations of fascism, socialism, and hedonism. It is an inherently selfish ideology obsessed with self gratifying impulsive behavior in the short term. The economic school that Leftists proudly adhere to, Keynesianism, literally says this. Right Wing ideology focuses on conserving human impulsiveness, focusing on saving resources and competition, in order to be prosperous in the future. Thus, Right wing ideology demands discipline, logic, natural order, and the rule of law. Leftism ideolizes the idea of "I should be able to what I want, whenever I want, with reckless abandon and zero consequences". Right Wing ideology stands firmly against that ideal and as such, when Leftists encounter a Right Wing platform that prevents them from being hedonistic and impulsive, they throw a tantrum.
Every single example of Left Wing resistance always tries to buck the rule of law. Look at the resistance to our current President. He has done nothing deserving of impeachment, and yet Leftists want him impeached because his political ideology is different. The Left literally thinks that at some point, we should just forget the rule of law and the Constitution, impeach Trump, and press a magical "reset button" that will reset everything back to the Obama days and undue everything Trump has done. They emphasize litigation and skirting the Constitution to impose their ideology, which is one reason why they are unified.
One great example is the Confederate Flag protests a few years ago. The Republican response was "Okay, yeah, lets remove the flag. However, there are lots of state laws that protect these monuments, so lets follow the law and the legal process to remove the laws and then remove the flag." The Republicans then proceeded to peacefully initiate legislative action via proper legal channels to remove confederate monuments and flags peacefully. It was a slower process, but the proper one.
The Leftist response was "#### you you racist piece of ####! Take the flag down now or we will riot and destroy everything until our demands are met!". The Leftists then proceeded to riot, vandalize government buildings, and physically assault anyone who dared speak out against their agenda.
Its very clear, Right Wing ideologies prioritize strict universal morality, the rule of law, conservation, and peaceful discourse.
Leftist ideologies emphasize hedonism, impulsive, short term appeasement, and entitlement. Its a childish, immature, and unintelligent ideology that focuses on emotion, and impulsive instincts based on what "feels good". Its immature and childish, and the way Leftists react when they dont get their way politically reflects that: they riot, initiate violence, slander their opponents, and act like brutal, cruel animals to those they oppose. Every were Letfist ideologies have been implemented, they have been utterly destructive. There is not a single society in which a Left Wing ideology has ever lead to any form of prosperity, advancement in human rights, or economic growth. This is a proven fact and can be demonstrated through examples of hundreds of countries on every continent.
Leftism/Liberalism is an utter failure. The only reason it persists is due tot he fact that it appeals to basic human impulsiveness.
Its entitlement culture, and its destructive. It needs to be eradicated from our society.
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Re: Boycotts
Dec 6, 2018, 3:02 PM
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Your posts are becoming more and more comical, and they are just a complete joy to respond to. I can't resist. They are full of sound and fury and signifying nothing, and just loaded with so many made up ideas yet stated with such authority. Let's go!
People on the Right boycott when they see organizations adopting degenerate ideals that are proven to be regressive and harmful to society.
Ah, so when people on the right boycott something, it's well thought out, logical, planned, and has an altruistic purpose. When leftists do it, it's just "#### ### eat a ####!" Gotcha.
Leftism is built upon the foundations of fascism, socialism, and hedonism.
Oh Lawd. Another right winger who believes fascism and socialism are the same thing.
Okay, for all the Trumpies and fringe righties. One more time. Type this out a few times:
Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology. Fascism and socialism are opposite ideologies. Fascism is a far right ideology.
Everyone got it yet? We good?
The economic school that Leftists proudly adhere to, Keynesianism, literally says this. Right Wing ideology focuses on conserving human impulsiveness, focusing on saving resources and competition, in order to be prosperous in the future. Thus, Right wing ideology demands discipline, logic, natural order, and the rule of law. Leftism ideolizes the idea of "I should be able to what I want, whenever I want, with reckless abandon and zero consequences". Right Wing ideology stands firmly against that ideal and as such, when Leftists encounter a Right Wing platform that prevents them from being hedonistic and impulsive, they throw a tantrum.
Holy crap, you actually seriously believe that.
One great example is the Confederate Flag protests a few years ago. The Republican response was "Okay, yeah, lets remove the flag. However, there are lots of state laws that protect these monuments, so lets follow the law and the legal process to remove the laws and then remove the flag." The Republicans then proceeded to peacefully initiate legislative action via proper legal channels to remove confederate monuments and flags peacefully. It was a slower process, but the proper one.
So, I know you're too young to remember this, but no, that wasn't the response. You see, we'll simply disregard how the conservatives put the flag up in the first place as a #### you to the Civil Rights movement. Instead, let's get in the wayback machine and go to circa 1998. Our then governor, David Beasley, a Republican, tried to take it down. The right-wing howling response signified a complete loss of their emotional control, so much so that they voted in a Democrat as governor. Let that sink in. That's the last time a Dem has even sniffed the governor's mansion.
The only reason, and I mean the only reason the Republicans in this state moved to take it down was after Dylan Roof shot up the church, and even then you had massive right-wing protests gathering outside the State House. But you'll pretend that didn't happen.
Leftism/Liberalism is an utter failure. The only reason it persists is due tot he fact that it appeals to basic human impulsiveness.
You poor soul. Might I invite you to delve a little more into the founding of our nation, our Founding Fathers' ideology, and what was considered "liberalism" at the time? I'm pretty sure if you had been alive back then, you would be stroking your King George III painting late at night.
Its entitlement culture, and its destructive. It needs to be eradicated from our society.
So, I need all the rest of Tigernet to remember this line for the future, because some folks have doubted people like tokillagamecock exist. He at least has the bravery to post it, just not the intelligence to understand how ridiculous he is.
He is one of two P&R folks who has repeatedly called for the murder and genocide of a mass group of Americans because of different political ideology. The other is Chesty. The only difference between the two is that this guy can put together some coherent paragraphs.
Seek psychiatric help, kid.
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Re: To take Jhop's post back to the basics and expand...
Dec 5, 2018, 11:21 PM
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This is hilarious in light of the fact that the current Republican platform is built on fear of everyone and everything that isn't white, straight, and evangelical Christian.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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That is false.
Dec 6, 2018, 5:16 AM
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The current republican platform is build on the foundation that the working class needs to have work in order to support the government. Since the rich and poor do not pay taxes it is the most logical path to keeping our country economically secure.
We have fears but those fears are that a progressive socialist platform which is founded on the belief that bigger government is the solution to all problems which ignores the fact that neither the rich or poor pay taxes to support those government programs and always seem to be the group harmed by regulations and restrictions on our economy.
If Dems like oranges and terrorist like oranges does that mean Dems are terrorist? That is the logic behind your assumption. It is too often used on both sides of the isle in order to attack and dismiss contradictory opinions.
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Re: That is false.
Dec 6, 2018, 8:34 AM
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We have a huge budget now. Is Trump letting you down? You think Dems would increase Trump's budget?
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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Most history proclaims they will spend, spend, spend.
Dec 6, 2018, 9:45 AM
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Yes, I think they will cut military and border control spending and expand social services and other welfare programs. I understand since those recipients are replacements for the working class which abandoned the democrat party.
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Re: That is false.
Dec 6, 2018, 12:20 PM
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Right, that must be why Trump ran on building a wall to keep out the “rapists, criminals, and drug dealers.” How many conservatives were terrified that Obama would take their guns away?
Your party is scared to death, and it’s frankly insulting to say that yours is the party of reason when you live in fear of so many things.
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Re: I'm happy about one thing.
Dec 6, 2018, 4:52 PM
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Pretty sure I said conservatives were paranoid about Obama taking away their guns, not the states or municipalities in which they reside. So if you could rebut that claim, I'd love to see where Obama did such a thing.
Oh, you can't, because it didn't happen.
And you're happy because I'm insulted? This is the problem with our current political climate. All your side cares about is provoking people on the left side of the aisle. There is no compromise with you. Perhaps when your side grows up, we can have civil discussions again and hopefully get back to working together.
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Re: To take Jhop's post back to the basics and expand...
Dec 6, 2018, 12:12 PM
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The mark of intelligence is definitely insulting someone without even engaging their points.
You must be have multiple PhDs.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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I always stoop to engage your arguments and...
Dec 6, 2018, 2:09 PM
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I agree with him, you have the mental facility of the average mollusk.
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Re: I always stoop to engage your arguments and...
Dec 6, 2018, 4:49 PM
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This coming from a guy who believes in a magical man in the sky. Okay.
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