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What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:01 PM
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I get why we and FSU are looking to leave. It's all about money. Makes the world go 'round.
But I'd kinda hate to just abandon the conference we've been a part of for so long. Lots of great history there and the conference has fielded some great teams and players in past years.
Is there nothing the ACC can do to improve the situation of the conference and try to keep us and FSU in the fold? You'd think they'd be looking to renegotiate contracts and such which would probably be cheaper than these two pending court cases. Are the current contracts pretty much done deals? Or is it simply that the ACC, now with fewer teams, just can't compete financially with the SEC and B1G?
All the talk has been about FSU and Clemson, and maybe some others, leaving the conference. But is there nothing the conference can do short of "don't leave or we'll sue!"?
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Sell the Family Farm and move on
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Move out of your parents house.. and start your own life. Leave that no good spouse who cheated on you... even though they are the one you started the dance with. Find your happy place where you will get paid to be happy.
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
Mar 27, 2024, 11:56 AM
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Clemson does not win 2 recent natties if in the SEC....does not happen..we won with great teams but we play 100+ players in many of those games...2 & 3 stringers got game experience and became very productive ...if we had not rested starters and had backups with game experience galore because we had ACC opponents we don't win...injuries and other issues would have mounted up...we were the best of the ACC and we would have been just another good team in the SEC...makes all the difference...with the new playoff format we are almost assured of trip to prom every year and we can make the conference get better...we are going to leave that to UNC, Nancy St. and Miami...Rad is right!
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Legend [15914]
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This is like saying, if we had just score that
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Mar 27, 2024, 12:00 PM
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touchdown in the 2nd Q instead of a FG, we wouldn’t have lost the game.
We were in the ACC when we won and it went down how it went down. If we had been in SEC or BIG you have no idea what other variables would have been different from that point.
What I do know is that we won 2 of those Nattys and I don’t care about the what ifs.
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Re: This is like saying, if we had just score that
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Mar 27, 2024, 12:26 PM
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And beat the best in the SEC to do it...
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
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Mar 27, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Oh but coot we beat YOUR best sec team both times snd the 2nd time was a BEAT DOWN. Go cluck with your own loser kind!!!!
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
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Mar 27, 2024, 2:26 PM
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Sorry you don’t know that. Clemson more than handled their own in the sec during that time.
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
Mar 27, 2024, 3:24 PM
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Actually you could be right. We could have beat Bama in conference play and then won 2 additional natties as well. Imagine that. We could have had 5 natties if we had been in the SEC.
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
Mar 27, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Or we beat LSU in Clemson during the regular season the year they beat us in Nola and Nolan Turner seals the title with an INT against OSU.
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Re: Sell the Family Farm and move on
Mar 27, 2024, 4:38 PM
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This is a stupid take. You have no idea how that scenario would play out yet you are stating it as fact like you can view alternate realities
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:21 PM
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I suppose since FSU and Clemson are suing the answer is no. FSU was the kid throwing a temper tantrum. Clemson did their homework. If there was a way I feel pretty confident that Clemson would have waited to sue.
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I do not have even one sentimental bone in my body when it comes to the ACC.
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:24 PM
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They have screwed Clemson on every occasion they have the chance. Them tacking an extra year of post season ban onto the football program above and beyond what even the NCAA deemed appropriate back in the Danny Ford era was all you need to know about the ACC. Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish when we get the chance, I say.
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Clemson is the red - headed step child of the ACC.
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:27 PM
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Why exactly do you want to stay again?
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b/c I dislike the SEC, everything it stands for, and the way they and the
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:25 PM
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B1G have done business.
I don't like the ACC as it is. I like it as it was, and it would be nice if they could get their act together.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:29 PM
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History is of the past, the future is to look for what can make a better history!!!
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?***
Mar 27, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:33 PM
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O2BNClemson - on one hand; I agree. All of the games; I could just hop in the car and drive to would be gone. Possibly some decent rivalries and regional bragging rights - also gone.
On the other hand though; the Greensboro Tobacco Road folks have a North Carolina based agenda it seems to me(through the years).
Clemson in the long run will be better off outside of the ACC. But, again, I do get what you mean regarding getting used to the new norm that's coming.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:26 PM
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Not sure where O2BNClemson lives but there are 7 SEC schools in a 6 hour radius (The longest I would drive) and 6 ACC Schools with most of the ACC schools actually being further out. And IDK about you, but I would much rather drive 5 hours to watch us play Alabama than Wake
SEC
Clemson > Athens 1hr 30 min
Clemson > Columbia 2hr 17 min
Clemson > Knoxville 3hr 26 minutes
Clemson > Auburn 4hr 5 min
Clemson > University of Alabama 4hr 54 min
Clemson > University of Kentucky 6hr 1 min
Clemson > Vanderbilt 6hr 3 min
Clemson > Miss State 6hr 39 min
Clemson > Florida 6hr 49min
Clemson > Ole Miss 7hr 5 min
ACC
Clemson > Atlanta 2hr 16 min
Clemson > Duke 4hr 37 minutes
Clemson > UNC 4hr 45 min
Clemson > NC State 5hr 4 min
Clemson > Virginia Tech 5hr 5min
Clemson > Wake Forest 5hr 9 min
Clemson > Florida State 6hr 36 min
Clemson > Virginia 6hr 44 min
Clemson > Louisville 7 hours 3 minutes
Clemson > Pitt 9hr 15 min
Clemson > Miami 11hr 28 min
Clemson > Syracuse 13hr 58 minutes
Clemson > Boston College 15hr 32 minutes
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 27, 2024, 10:41 AM
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You forget plane flights to get to Cal, Standford and SMU for ACC games.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:33 PM
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One options is to dissolve the ACC and form a new one. Once thats done we need new leadership leading the conference. We will need a tv partner like NBC, CBS, Fox or YouTube. I like the ACC and wish our leadership was more aggressive like the SEC.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 26, 2024, 3:14 PM
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Explain to me how they're supposed to be more aggressive? The SEC added taxes in Oklahoma. The Big Ten added Southern Cal and ucla. The problem is none of those for schools were ever going to come to the acc. I mean, short of holding them at gunpoint I don't know what you expected the ACC to do.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 10:00 PM
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If you are saying none of those four schools were willing to come to the ACC, then you are suggesting the ACC is an inferior conference are you not?
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 27, 2024, 7:13 AM
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If you're talking about strictly on performance, no I'm not saying that. If you're talking about financial value, then yes it is. However that doesn't mean that that backs up the lawsuit that Clemson and Florida State have.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 26, 2024, 5:48 PM
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I've been beating this drum myself and that would be my preference. A 10 team conference of FSU, Clem, GT, UM, UNC, NCSU, UVA, VT, UL, Pitt would be a good start until the Big12 GoRs expire and then grab Cinci and WVU for 12. Duke, SU, BC, UConn come in at half shares, if not then we are content at 12. Wake and ND are partial members and need to negotiate their own football contracts.
Phase 1 alignment:
FSU - UM
UNC - UVA
Clem- VT
GT - Pitt
NCSU- UL
Phase 2 alignment:
FSU - UM
UNC - UVA
Clem- VT
GT - Pitt
NCSU- WVU
UL - Cinci
Phase 3 alignment (pods):
FSU, UM, Clem, GT
UNC, NCSU, UVA, Duke
VT, UL, Cinci, WVU
Pitt, SU, BC, UConn
Annual cross overs: FSU-SU, Clem-UNC, GT-Duke, Pitt-WVU, UM-BC, Cinci-UConn, UL-NCSU, VT-UVA
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 26, 2024, 8:05 PM
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The problem is that wouldn't solve the underlying problem money
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
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Mar 26, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Zero chance.
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In 10 years, there will be no current conferences remaining
Mar 26, 2024, 1:35 PM
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There will be (4) 16-team divisions that determine the (4) automatic byes to the playoffs.
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ACC = Against Clemson Conference!
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:02 PM
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All those not so good poor schools have lived on Clemson and a few others long enough!
Unless Something like the 3 top teams get 50% and the rest get the other 50%.
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To OP....
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Mar 26, 2024, 2:14 PM
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NO.
Its over.
And you should want it to be over.
Get busy living, or get busy dying.
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Re: To OP....
Mar 26, 2024, 2:53 PM
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You tell em Red.
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slim to none***
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 26, 2024, 3:38 PM
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There's probably a decent chance that the ACC stays intact for two reasons. One, because these lawsuits are probably not going to work, and it's probably going to be too expensive for anybody to leave. The second issue is, it's very questionable as to whether the SEC or the Big Ten want to take any of these teams in the first place.
As far as the contract, The only way to really renegotiate it is to add new teams so it can be reopened. The problem is there aren't really any teams out there that add any value when you do renegotiate the contract. There actually was a renegotiation when these new teams got added, however they didn't bring enough value to increase the contract. That's why Stanford and California came for next to nothing and why smu's not getting paid at all for about five or six years.
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If the ACC wins, they effectively kill the programs within it of relevancy
Mar 26, 2024, 3:57 PM
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Gee, way to look out of the best interests of your member schools. The humane thing to do would be dissolve this pos league. Let the the schools reorg or move on how they see fit and have a better chance at a future. Cause status-quo aint it folks.
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Re: If the ACC wins, they effectively kill the programs within it of relevancy
Mar 26, 2024, 8:08 PM
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It's kind of actually ridiculous to suggest that the ACC she just give up and dissolve. I mean that's kind of foolish even think that. The reality is that MAYBE two or three schools have a landing spot in one of the big two conferences. The rest of the schools are going to end up in some second-rate ACC Big 12 merger.
What's your really saying is, "I want Clemson to get out of the ACC so they don't get left behind by the SEC at Big Ten schools, so I'm trying ti construct a scensrio that the ACC is going to somehow just let Clemson out." That's just not realistic.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 27, 2024, 9:41 AM
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If the ACC stays intact, Clemson football is dead. If Clemson football is dead, Neff will have to completely cut some of the Tiger athletic teams.
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 27, 2024, 12:22 PM
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I can't predict the future. Sure, I'd love to dump the ACC. I wanted to do it in the 80s. However, we are tied up by that nasty GOR agreement presently. Who knows how long it will be before we can walk?
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Re: What is the likelihood of the ACC staying intact? Is there nothing they can do?
Mar 27, 2024, 1:35 PM
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I can't put a percentage on it but its possible. There are reasons why the other leagues might not invite us and this GOR may hold.
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Irrelevant.
Mar 27, 2024, 4:36 PM
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It is irrelevant whether they stay intact or not. If they do, they will be irrelevant - unless you think conferences the the Big East, or maybe something akin to the old Metro Conference, are relevant.
When it comes to elite college level football, the ACC will either cease to exist or drop to the level of C-USA.
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