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Depends on how much weight you intend to put on the shelves.
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:02 AM
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Personally I would overbuild them because you never know what they might get used for in the future.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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IKR, I don't see one 5 ft span holding more than 100 lbs
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:04 AM
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which is making me think I could space the braces every 2 ft with 1/2 plywood....but I don't really know.
Most likely every 5ft would hold no more than 60 lbs
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Oculus Spirit [76341]
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Have to figure it out by how much your wife weighs
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:09 AM
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While leaning heavily against said shelving. You know, since you are into garage seggs.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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I don't think wood screws work on the expanded metal though?***
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:11 AM
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Heisman Winner [135980]
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Lay the EM on top of 2x3s and attach with a pan head screw***
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:14 AM
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Link to metal that is similar price range to woods?***
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:21 AM
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...says the guy who just built a metal building***
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:21 AM
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Heisman Winner [135980]
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That's why he can't go metal on the shelves***
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:22 AM
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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ohhh, yeah, I need that too
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:47 AM
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but I don't think it goes deep enough for my storage containters.
I will look for something similar that goes deeper, tanks
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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also, may not twerk with a 5 ft span??***
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:50 AM
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Orange Blooded [4616]
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Not sure, I'm going to get a portable building with steel studs soon for
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:55 AM
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a workshop, so I'm going to do some research on anchoring a lumber rack cause I'm going to need one. Thinking some kind of toggle anchor instead of screws of some sort...
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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HOW
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Nov 21, 2023, 1:22 PM
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How deep do you want them? Probably easiest to do wooden shelves.***
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Re: BOAISY
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:39 PM
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I would just build a stud wall between each 5 foot span, similar to but not identical to this.
Would have to fasten it by drilling a hole through the vertical metal tubing and using a lag screw with a washer so it doesn't pull through the metal. After you got that done, I would think you could do just about anything you want. I would tie a vertical 2x4 or a piece of metal tubing into the metal "rafter" to establish the front of the shelves, using the same manner described above. That's about all I can think of, unless you want to build a free standing unit of sorts so that you don't put a bunch of holes into that spendy metal building. You could mount it into the concrete floor so that it doesn't move.
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I don't think so, Tim. But I appreciate your time.***
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Well then by all means keep us updated.
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:55 PM
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I look forward to seeing the results.
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milking table?***
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Dave????***
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:21 PM
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I put up shelves in my garage. And probably did overkill it.
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Nov 21, 2023, 1:54 PM
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I used a 2 by 2 attached to the stud, so every 16 inches going vertically.
Very similar to this: https://woodgears.ca/shelves/garage.html
I then build a triangle shaped brace that fit around the 2 by 2 and it goes out about 12 inches to the point of the triangle.
Shelves are plywood, 18 inches deep, so each sheet makes two shelves and leftover for the braces.
I bolted the triangle shaped braces to the wall mounted 2 by 2 in case I ever wanted to move them. LOL. Three levels of shelving, then plastic boxes for most stuff I want on them. This was an important task as I bought some from HD and Lowes to see what type of storage I like the most, ended up with these:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hefty-18-qt-Storage-Bin-HFT-7160010665666/318772205
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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It's good to be neat...I'm in a little diff situation
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:01 PM
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since the only thing I can tie in to are these legs that are 5 ft apart.
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You sure you want to attach to the verticals and not just do freestanding?***
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:04 PM
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Yes
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:15 PM
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yes
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So, I would use 3/4 inch plywood
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Nov 21, 2023, 2:39 PM
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and build a horizontal brace that ties into your veritcal. Hard to tell if those are square or I beam shaped, but I would do another support at least halfway between them and the horizontal braces.
I ended up getting a track saw to cut the plywood. Works great.
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It's 2-1/4 square 12 gauge tubing
Nov 21, 2023, 2:54 PM
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Track saw looks cool.
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Lot o points [163012]
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makes cutting plywood much easier
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:25 PM
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I needed a bench for it so I bought the Kreg System.
But follow 731woodworks guy on YouTube and he does tests on all of them - and he has a website that will have links to great deals on them.
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You should definitely buy a Festool track saw for this project -
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:33 PM
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it's a gateway drug, then you end up with tons of these white boxes everywhere, and empty pockets...
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Yeah, I was just gonna see if Lowe's would rip 4X8s in half
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:35 PM
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for me. Seems way easier.
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I originally bought the TSC 55 KEB cordless track saw
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:56 PM
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Now I've got a whole collection - miter saw, router, table saw, sander, tables, MIDI. I need to start a woodworking business to pay for all this.
I think the track saw is the most versatile tool you can have, though - I've broke down plywood, cut 2" foam sheets, cut all the sheathing/siding on my backyard bar...
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The jig saw looks amazing
Nov 21, 2023, 4:53 PM
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I have a cheap one and have trouble with tear out. The Festool has an adjustment for blade width but also has a plastic insert (disposable) to help with tear out.
Been watching the Festool Recon page. Trying not to pull the trigger.. LOL.
https://www.festoolrecon.com
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A stronger system would include...
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:00 PM
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the horizontal members running from the wall to the end of the shelf be fasted on the sides of the studs which would put the fasteners in that location in shear rather than tension. Tension on fasteners causes problems because the shear they create in the wood framing. That means the failure is dependent upon the lengths of the screw shank and the depth of the threads. You can not depend on wood.
Attach those members on the side of the wood framing and the primary stress on them will be shear and compression on the wood.
The chain, cable vertical supports should be fastened the same way, to the sides of the members to which they attach.
A brace coming off the wall will support the front of the shelf but it will not be a strong or effective as a vertical member. If you want to use both that's fine but I doubt you're putting more weight on there that the space will allow.
Are you parking a truck on that shelf?
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Ikr, it's not like I'm putting a bunch of weight on this thing
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I just wasn't sure if I could do 1/2 inch plywood and 2 ft spacing on the braces.
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You should re-think steel cables.
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:16 PM
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The most cost-effective way to do this is to put everything 24in on center, have a stud wall, and use front leg supports. You'll spend less on the additional 2x4s than you would on the steel wire, and the support will be better.
That said, you could miter the 2x4s and add in splines to the joints to make them look nice, but I'm pretty sure you are going to just do butt joints and deck screws, so this is probably more framing than woodworking.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Front leg supports like to the ground?
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:21 PM
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Or like from the shelf going up in place of the wire?
Wire rope is pretty cheap. The fasteners will probably cost moar than the wire rope tho.
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Yes, to the ground.
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:40 PM
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Those joists overhead are not designed to bear the weight that you are wanting to put on them.
Over time that's going to lead to failure.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Butt I selected the heavier gauge tubing designed to withold heavy
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:02 PM
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snows in a place that doesn't get snow.
The whole point was to stay off the floor and I don't think adding say 60 lbs to each leg is going to be noticeable at all.
I could be wrong, but I did make an A in statics and a B in finite element analysis.
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Re: Butt I selected the heavier gauge tubing designed to withold heavy
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the heavier gauge tubing is great, my concern is that I don't have the engineering designs from this, but I do know that the bottom chords of roof trusses are designed to facilitate tension rather than compression. You could do the mounting, but in order to do it properly, you'd need something like a Simpson strong tie to go over the roof trusses and under the roof, and tie into a blocking that you'd want to connect to your fasteners and the steel cable, rather than just relying on a bolt and pullout strength. At that point, you'd be doing an awful lot of work just to save the clearance between the bottom shelf and the floor (I'm assuming you are doing multiple rows of shelves, so correct me if that assumption is wrong.
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Oh no, just one megashelf
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Nov 21, 2023, 6:28 PM
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My fil is good with this stuff, so I'll get his approval before I do anything two stoopid
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Re: You should re-think steel cables.
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The most cost-effective way to do this is to put everything 24in on center, have a stud wall, and use front leg supports. You'll spend less on the additional 2x4s than you would on the steel wire, and the support will be better. 
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