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Orange Blooded [2108]
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We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 14, 2024, 6:03 PM
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This is in comparison to 13 other high-income countries...This is an area that needs improvement.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/2023/apr/health-costs-gun-violence-how-us-compares-other-countries
The U.S. has the highest rate of firearm deaths, nearly five times that of the second-highest country, France.
Eight times more people in the U.S. died from violence by firearm in 2019 than in the second-highest country, Canada.
The U.S. has the highest death rate because of self-harm by firearm, more than three times higher than rates in France and Switzerland.
More women in the U.S. are killed by firearms than in any peer country.
The U.S. has 67 million more firearms than it does people, a difference greater than the entire population of the U.K.
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Commissioner [993]
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but we are #1 in FREEDOM!***
Apr 14, 2024, 6:03 PM
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Certainly in terms of gun rights, we are****
Apr 14, 2024, 6:20 PM
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Orange Blooded [2027]
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Re: Certainly in terms of gun rights, we are****
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Apr 16, 2024, 9:52 PM
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Ask all the millions of dead Chinese, the Cambodians, the Russians, ....if they wish they didn't have gun laws
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All-TigerNet [13175]
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I thought not wearing masks was the leader in deaths.....***
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Apr 14, 2024, 6:14 PM
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CU Guru [1526]
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reading comprehension seems to be a problem for
Apr 14, 2024, 6:19 PM
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you on this one.
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Heisman Winner [111889]
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donlt waste you time
Apr 14, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Keowee showed his white supremacist colors this morning.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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And many times before that, from what I can tell****
Apr 14, 2024, 6:23 PM
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All-TigerNet [13175]
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Please list***
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Apr 14, 2024, 7:53 PM
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CU Guru [1526]
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Re: donlt waste you time
Apr 14, 2024, 6:23 PM
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that makes sense.
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All-TigerNet [13175]
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I must be one of the few non-white, white supremacist***
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Apr 14, 2024, 7:54 PM
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CU Guru [1383]
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Re: I must be one of the few non-white, white supremacist***
Apr 15, 2024, 2:43 PM
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Come on bro you know white peoples are better than you.
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All-In [34642]
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Yer #1 in gottamm sukk***
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:07 PM
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CU Guru [1586]
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 14, 2024, 11:28 PM
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What about starvation deaths, hanging deaths, beheading deaths, stabbing deaths, kicked in the head by a mule deaths, fire ant bite deaths, rabies deaths, knocked in the head by a mace deaths, smothered by a pile of dirty laundry deaths, buried alive deaths, hit by train deaths, cholera deaths, mumps deaths, measles deaths, scarlet fever deaths, rubella deaths, contaminated water deaths, parasitic worms deaths, rat lung disease deaths, snake bite deaths, shark attack deaths, eating pillows in your sleep because you were dreaming about eating mutton deaths, picking your nose and getting rear ended by another car and it pushes your finger into your brain deaths, leaving a can of biscuits in your car and your air conditioner isn’t working, therefore that can of biscuits explodes and the top of it soars across your throat severing a jugular deaths?
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Nice deflection....I'm terrified of rabies myself....
Apr 15, 2024, 11:16 AM
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I'm not anti-gun. I own guns. I believe that 2A gives citizens gun rights. But we have to admit there's a cost here in human life.
And 2A allows for a "well=regulated militia". As a society, we need to think about what guns mean for us on a public health basis, and what type of regulation would help us to lower gun deaths while still allowing for gun ownership.
And deflecting from the topic to things like "rabies death" is a head-in-the-sand action.
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We could start with keeping criminals in jail.***
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Apr 15, 2024, 11:25 AM
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110%er [5703]
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Well, whaddaya want?....
Apr 15, 2024, 7:20 PM
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We have far and away the most gun deaths of any similarly-situated country in the world.
If we had 50K people die from Rabies, I guess we could start a thread on that. But we don't.
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Re: Nice deflection....I'm terrified of rabies myself....
Apr 15, 2024, 2:38 PM
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So what do you propose? Lots of people think we should do "something" to lower gun deaths but they never offer a solution. We have laws governing who can legally possess a firearm and what kind of firearm can legally be possessed. What law do you propose?
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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I would treat it like a public health risk, much like driving cars....
Apr 15, 2024, 2:48 PM
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I would make people go through licensing & testing to be able to own a gun. I would require safe storage in houses. I would require background for all gun sales, not just some. I would make it easier to own long guns and harder to own short guns. These are some of the things I'd do.
Our citizenry could still own guns. But it shouldn't be as easy as it currently is.
And I don't expect us to ever lower our murder rate to the same levels as alot of our peer countries. But we can lower it if we'll at least admit there's a contribution from guns to our murder problem.
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Re: I would treat it like a public health risk, much like driving cars....
Apr 15, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Law abiding citizens with guns is not the problem.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Alot of them are committing suicide. It's not just murders....
Apr 15, 2024, 5:06 PM
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The thing that sets us apart from the rest of the high-income developed world is the # of guns. We're overly cavalier about guns in this country, and that needs some reflection and adjustment.
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CU Guru [1586]
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Re: Alot of them are committing suicide. It's not just murders....
Apr 15, 2024, 7:16 PM
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Okay it’s the number of guns not the number of criminals. Understood.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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All countries have criminals....
Apr 15, 2024, 7:18 PM
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But what sets us apart is our guns. I know we hate to admit that, because some left-winger somewhere is a soshullistt....but it's true.
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CU Guru [1586]
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Re: All countries have criminals....
Apr 15, 2024, 9:11 PM
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How is one death any different than another death? Governments gas people, bomb people, and starve people by the millions but I guess that’s okay because they didn’t use guns.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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No, the countries we were compared with are relatively peaceful....
Apr 15, 2024, 9:17 PM
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And I haven't checked lately. But I doubt if New Zealand is slaughtering their citizens by the millions.
We have a problem with gun deaths in this country. And if we had fewer guns, we'd have fewer deaths.
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CU Guru [1586]
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Re: No, the countries we were compared with are relatively peaceful....
Apr 15, 2024, 9:37 PM
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What argument are you making?
New Zealand doesn’t have high crime rate because their citizens obey the laws.
The US is not worse off because of guns. It’s the people that misuse them that cause problems.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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The argument is obvious (and correct).....
Apr 15, 2024, 9:43 PM
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The reason we have so many more murders and suicides than these other countries is because we have so many more guns. Without all the guns, we'd have fewer suicides and fewer murders. To me, that's an easy - and correct - conclusion to come to.
I know you can't admit it because of reasons. But it's not controversial in the reality-based world.
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CU Guru [1586]
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Re: The argument is obvious (and correct).....
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Apr 15, 2024, 9:53 PM
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So we have more murders than China and Russia and Iran and Saudi Arabia and Mexico?
Mexico is the most deadly place in the Western Hemisphere. How’s their gun control working out for them?
And once again, what law abiding citizen has murdered someone?
If you hate the fact that guns are easily available then start a movement to repeal the second amendment.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Nice attempt to dodge....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:02 PM
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I'm talking about countries that are actually our peers....places with either similar income or similar level of economic activity and under some semblance of a democracy....
Why do we need to be far and away the murder capital of the developed world? It doesn't make sense, except we have a gun cult and aren't allowed to deal in any constructive way with the guns....
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Re: Nice attempt to dodge....
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Apr 15, 2024, 10:10 PM
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We are the ‘murder capital’ as you say (even though we are not) because people break the law.
It is really that simple.
Your logic equals. . .people die because of guns.
That means I’m fat because of my fork and spoon not because of what I choose to do with them.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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What would happe to our murder & suicide rate if we got rid of the guns?....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:16 PM
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I'm not saying I advocate that.
But if it happened, what would happen to our murder and suicide rate? You already know the answer to that question. Now...can you admit it out loud?
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Re: What would happe to our murder & suicide rate if we got rid of the guns?....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:25 PM
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I don’t believe our suicide rate would decrease.
Murder rate may dip for a while, but people will find other ways to murder. Just like in China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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Re: What would happe to our murder & suicide rate if we got rid of the guns?....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:29 PM
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People would just find other ways to harm others and themselves, you’d see car and knife related homicides sky rocket and a run on leaping off over passes and drinking drain cleaner.
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Re: What would happe to our murder & suicide rate if we got rid of the guns?....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:32 PM
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Well, gosmitty would say we just need more regulation on those products as well.
More government regulations equals more safety.
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Orange Blooded [2108]
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Re: What would happe to our murder & suicide rate if we got rid of the guns?....
Apr 15, 2024, 10:34 PM
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Nice point.
Neither would decrease and you know it.
Am I doing it right?
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 15, 2024, 1:15 PM
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Hey, do you know how to look up who the perps are?
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
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Apr 15, 2024, 2:42 PM
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Don’t do it lol
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CU Guru [1383]
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 16, 2024, 8:31 PM
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Bro I bet he still didn’t look up who the peeps of gun violence and homicide are. Hint 12.8%=50+%.
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110%er [9056]
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
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Apr 15, 2024, 8:49 PM
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are we complaining about marksmanship?
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
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Apr 15, 2024, 10:08 PM
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The focus should be on why people are randomly killing. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I bet forks and spoons are responsible for 100x more deaths than guns.
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 16, 2024, 9:26 AM
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I will say this, I am an avid supporter of the second amendment, but it is way harder to stab or beat someone to death than shoot someone.
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 16, 2024, 1:10 PM
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hitler murdered 6 million
democrats murdered 50 million children
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By 'we'
Apr 16, 2024, 5:00 PM
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you mean gang bangers, mostly.
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Re: We're #1 in firearm deaths.....
Apr 16, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Don’t do it .
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