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TNET: Clemson pro sitting out team drills in dispute over contract
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Aug 16, 2023, 4:24 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro sitting out team drills in dispute over contract
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Aug 16, 2023, 5:13 PM
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You signed the contract. Honor it. If he had played like crap he would have expected him to honor it. But I do luv Christian
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He is honoring it
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Aug 16, 2023, 5:39 PM
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He just wants to get an extension signed before the season starts, and the Dolphins aren't opposed to giving him one. They're in negotiations right now, so it makes sense that he doesn't want to risk an injury participating in team drills that are 100% voluntary.
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Re: He is honoring it
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Aug 16, 2023, 6:43 PM
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Well, they aren’t voluntary… players that opt out or hold out of camp are fined 50k a day. He’s doing a “hold-in”, which is the new thing to avoid these fines that the NFL made mandatory fines a couple years ago.
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Thanks for the correction
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Aug 16, 2023, 7:09 PM
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I kinda forgot it's not the offseason anymore and didn't really know the rules that well in the first place. Hadn't seen anything about him being fined so I assumed they were still in a voluntary period, but the "hold-in" explains that.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro sitting out team drills in dispute over contract
Aug 16, 2023, 7:39 PM
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He said he’s getting ready to play football & his agent is handling it. I’m sure his agent advised him to hold out until they get down with the contract. They had all summer to make this happen. It’s considered business in the NFL that can drop you next week with no loyalty if you have an injury.
He’s looking out for his future.
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Re: In The Workforce There Is A Code Of Sorts ---
Aug 16, 2023, 5:24 PM
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Never discuss your pay with the other coworkers. Just get the amount you need that you believe that you're realistically are worth... and go about your business. Everything else in time will take care of itself.
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Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 5:48 PM
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I'm sure bosses like it when their employees don't know how much anyone else is making. Makes it easier for them to underpay certain people, not to mention overpay themselves and their buddies. In some countries everyone's pay is a matter of public record. Maybe that's how it should be.
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 5:59 PM
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Hail fire, if I were making that kind of money I'd be shoutin' from the rooftops!
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 6:18 PM
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I understand that BUT, I'm doing the same they are doing but I'm doing it better, you going to pay me the same, or I won't be doing that job at the best of my ability any longer...
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
Aug 16, 2023, 6:52 PM
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When one person signs a contract that doesn't mean everyone else gets a raise too . . .smh
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“Relative Pay” has much greater weight than “Actual Pay” …
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Aug 16, 2023, 6:40 PM
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What you’re getting paid is enough.
Until you find out that someone else is getting more.
Then immediately, yours is no longer enough.
It’s human nature, but it’s not a particularly healthy way to live.
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
Aug 16, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Big business doesn't hesitate to break a contract when it's in their interest to do so. Clemson and FSU aren't exactly eager to honor the rest of their contract with the ACC, and most of us (myself included) would like to see them find a way out of it. If the fine you pay for breaking a contract is less than the profit you gain by breaking a contract, the fine becomes just a cost of doing business.
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Dude its the NFL. Most of the money in these contracts
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Aug 16, 2023, 8:41 PM
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isn't even guaranteed. If Wilkins tore up his knee I'm these preseason workouts the Dolphins could just cut him. Playing on the 5th year option of a rookie deal is really risky for these guys. The good players usually get new deals before that 5th year.
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 8:58 PM
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When honoring your contract could mean that you never get another contract, that changes the game.
This is not uncommon, or wrong, for 5th year players to demand an extension. Especially ones as good as Wilkins who deserve the assurance of long term commitment and protection against injury.
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 8:36 PM
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What anyone makes is no one else’s business. I would not even ask somebody what they made. I pay people differently for various reasons, and really could care less what other countries are doing. Let me know how letting all your employees know what everyone else makes works out for you.
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Re: Everyone has the legal right to discuss their pay with coworkers
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Aug 16, 2023, 9:52 PM
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Most likely you pay them all the lowest possible amount that you think will keep them from leaving and keep them happy enough to continue performing their jobs to your satisfaction, like most employers. You might be willing to pay up to a certain amount for someone to do a job, but if they're willing to do it for less than that.. well, you're not going to argue. You're not a charity. No need to pay any more than you have to if everyone's happy enough, right?
Some people don't know their worth. Some people aren't comfortable with the confrontational aspect of negotiating a raise, or just aren't good at it. Some people would have to leave the country if they were to lose their job, so they definitely don't want to risk upsetting their boss by asking for too much money. I'm not convinced that those people deserve to not only make less for doing the same job, but not even know that they're making less.
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absolutely not
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Aug 16, 2023, 7:31 PM
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discuss your pay with other people. after Covid a friend of mine was making $23 an hour, but when they started hiring people back he found out that new hires with no experience were getting $25 an hour. He brought it up to management, and they told him it was to get people in the door. How about you pay your experienced workers who stuck with you during covid because they were "essential," and who have been with your company for years. And these companies wonder why they can't get people to stay. Im one of the lucky ones that works for a company that actually cares for its employees.
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It's what companies do nowadays. They value youngsters with
Aug 17, 2023, 7:24 AM
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NO experience more highly that long term employees. I had already been an engineer at my place of employment for several years when I was shocked to find out that a newly hired in engineer, right out of college (NC State, no less) was making more, right out of the gate, than I was at the time. Welcome to reality.
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Re: TNET: Clemson pro sitting out team drills in dispute over contract
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Aug 16, 2023, 7:45 PM
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I guess Aaron Rodgers should have honored his contract and not volunteered to take a 35M pay cut with the Jets. Sometimes it works both ways. As others have noted, renegotiations are expected just like refinances are expected on home mortgages. In the end, if both parties ultimately benefit, everyone walks away happy.
If they don't extend him, he will become a free agent after this year so that may not be the best for the Dolphins anyway.
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Y'all aren't thinking of this in the correct way
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Aug 17, 2023, 8:58 AM
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Inevitably, so many of y'all liken professional athletes to your own jobs when they really couldn't be more different. Like Christian, we all have our jobs because we have displayed the necessary talents, skills and credentials, and unlike him, most of us aren't in the top 0.01% of people that have our title, hence the pay gap.
Here's the real kicker: also unlike him, most of us know that if our company is stable, and we do a good job, the likelihood we'll still HAVE our job next year is extremely high. Christian can't say that because of the injury risk. He could play out this contract year like all y'all want him to, banking on a post-season extension y'all all want him to get, and he could do everything right all season long but tear his ACL on the last play of the last game, and suddenly his earnings for the future are reduced by over 50%. THAT IS WHY top shelf NFL players don't want to enter a season without a guarantee of pay beyond that season.
It's very reasonable, and we can't relate to it, so stop trying lol
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