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Would the Big 12 help Clemson get back to dominant football?
Oct 8, 2012, 11:17 PM
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After I hit the lottery, I pledge to give a few million of my earnings to set up a "Clemson Exits John Swofford the Rat's ACC Fund" but in the meantime I pose the question: Is it the level of competition that Clemson plays down to in its current conference which defeats its progress? Is Clemson trying to rebuild its brand after a string of mediocre coaching staffs and administrative decisions? Is Clemson merely a victim of youth and will be more solid in a few seasons once stellar but green recruiting classes take hold? Is it physical or psychological or both with the Tigers? I've heard the unfortunate phrase of "pulling a Clemson" which makes me feel like I'm in Columbia watching the Gamecocks before the Ol' Ball Sack arrived limping and adjusting his visor toupee. If changing conferences is the key, I'm pledging millions to get out of the ACC-North Carolina-Basketball League a.s.a.p. but I wonder if it's something else going on. The Big 12 has 2 slots that have to be filled in order to hold a conference championship game so I'd truly hate to see Clemson trapped in Tobacco Road purgatory for decades by missing out on a golden opportunity to elevate its football program by leaving so maybe we need to focus on an A.D. after Terry Yawn Phillips finally leaves who will hire leaders able to get us back to being relevant and who will find a way (there's always a way) to start anew and leave the ACC as a footnote in our history. And for those who only think we will be Texas's doormat when it comes to power sharing in the Big 12, just look at Notre Dame's demands already.
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Pointed you to pump up your pulse***
Oct 8, 2012, 11:23 PM
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Clemson football will be relevant on its own, regardless of
Oct 8, 2012, 11:24 PM
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its conference. We may well not lose another game until 2014, possibly beyond. Neither the Big 12 nor the ACC will matter much during this next stretch.
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Re: Would the Big 12 help Clemson get back to dominant football?
Oct 8, 2012, 11:32 PM
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the reply to your question is a resounding "no" The level of talent in the ACC is quite good. In fact, the ACC had 27% of the draft picks in the NFL in 2011. Second only to the SEC which had around 29%. The ACC led all conferences with the most players selected to the 2011 Pro Bowl.
The ACC does lack a football commis. Swofford is interested in basketball and the four UNC schools. His actions clearly show this. He has failed on numerous occassions to promote football. for example.. having the ACC championship game in Charlotte is STUPID. no one wants to go to Charlotte. there is nothing in charlotte except sheep and an oval track.
put the ACC football game in Orlando... EVERYONE wants to go there. the infastucutre is there and so is ALL that talent that are choosing collges. Get the Florida talent interested in ACC football by having your championship game there. Sponsor with an airline to be the official airline of the ACC in return from promotions at all games, etc.. the airline will provide disocunted charter flights from the two nearest cities of the two divisonal teams. ie Boston and Richmond
partner with Disney and tap into that incredible rescource.
i could go on.. but the basic difference between the ACC an any other conferences is the dedication to football. Swofford does not care because UNC does not care.
BTW NO commish. should have ever had ties to a school within the conference... that is the problem we have now.
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it was in florida, but no one wanted to see wake, gt and bc
Oct 8, 2012, 11:35 PM
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play in it.
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Re: it was in florida, but no one wanted to see wake, gt and bc
Oct 8, 2012, 11:39 PM
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In Tampa.. not the same.. not by a long shot
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jax too and why might that be? disney? maybe orlando
Oct 8, 2012, 11:41 PM
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should get a pro football team first?
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to answer your question
Oct 8, 2012, 11:38 PM
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No bc your defense will be exposed
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But our Offense will wow them***
Oct 8, 2012, 11:40 PM
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agreed
Oct 8, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Your offense is fun to watch
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Re: Would the Big 12 help Clemson get back to dominant football?
Oct 9, 2012, 12:11 AM
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I believe that Clemson can make up for the lack of FB competition with our OOC scheduling. Its a fact, and I think that the coots is proof that if you play against better competition, you will learn to play up to it and make your teams better and tougher. There are a few other teams in the acc that can live up to sec types. But Swofford would have to be replaced along with his TV contracts. Someone with better negotiation skills to bring adequate money sharing from the TV contracts to keep the FB schools that are in the acc up to par with the SEC/BIG12 counter parts. Without the TV money that compares to that of the SEC/Big12, none of us FB schools in the acc will be able to compete much longer. When facilities fall far behind that of the other FB conferences, the top recruits will fall away with our facilities. The ACC will need the same money to compete for the same type of FB recruits. But I'm afraid that ACC FB programs will dye before Swofford is ever replaced. If the ACC isn't built to compete with the big boyz. ACC FB will be reduced to minor league FB. Even if we had 50 mil to buy out, we have no where to go. It will have to be a rebuilt ACC under new leadership. Or it will get really sad for the Clemson FB program, and the other FB programs stuck in a dying FB ACC. It is sad, but that is where we are heading. And it really isn't that far down the road. I know that this is just my personal opinion. But this is where I see our future headed in a Swofford ACC.
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The 80s aren't coming back...
Oct 9, 2012, 1:30 AM
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and Clemson isn't leaving the ACC. And there's more to an athletic program than football. The sooner some of you realize that everything is always about football, the better off you'll be.
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??? Contradiction?***
Oct 9, 2012, 7:07 AM
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Re: Would the Big 12 help Clemson get back to dominant football?
Oct 9, 2012, 5:37 AM
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Big 12 doesn't make sense. Waaaaay too many logistics and travel considerations.
SEC is the perfect fit.
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Re: Would the Big 12 help Clemson get back to dominant football?
Oct 9, 2012, 7:59 AM
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all we have to do is win and play and beat SC and Alabama each year.
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Never was a fan of Big 12 affiliation; however, I've been a
Oct 9, 2012, 8:06 AM
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50 year fan of ditching the ACC. I still maintain that Clemson should have immediately done what SCAR had the guts to do in '71, and tell the league to kiss our asse$. If not then, there was no question that we should have done it after the "add-on penalties" in the 80's. When the league began its expansion efforts, I don't believe we were assertive enough as to its direction...cases in point: the initial omission of VT, which took the Governor of Virginia via UVA to correct, and the condescending snobbery against West Virginia, which we were foolish enough to buy into, and which prevailed. Yet, a post on TNet recently revealed that recent WVA graduates and those 20 years hence average higher incomes than the likes of UNC-CH, among others. That leads us to the present and ND. From the news released about the "deal" it appears the ACC played its poker hand poorly at best by not requiring full ND participation upon the expiration of its TV contract. Then Clemson played its own hand poorly by readily supporting that ridiculous $50 million buyout. I believe without a doubt that we could have marshalled allies, beginning with FSU, to defeat the proposal. Although there are many who believe we are "permanently" married to the ACC now, I'm not convinced. Nor am I convinced that a future alignment with the SEC is impossible, for I have learned over a long life to depend on the two proverbials: death and taxes. Additionally, those who loudly make bodacious statements of purported fact often find themselves having to look into a mirror...and gulp. Nevertheless, for the present our best avenue in my opinion is to concentrate on four things and four things alone: enrichment and improvement of our facilities, both academically and athletically, further development of our athletic staffs and teams, encouragement of our fan base and last but not least...winning.
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i usually reserve the word bodacious
Oct 9, 2012, 8:40 AM
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for ta-tas, but that might be just me?
the reasons given for not including vpi[originally] are the same reasons given for not inviting clemson to the sec. tvs.
would you have taken wvu before vpi?
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All-In [25479]
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I would have invited both at the same time. And, DSP, I
Oct 9, 2012, 10:21 AM
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don't buy into the argument about TV markets unless the product will support the market. I believe a strong product, well marketed, will create demand in the market. Without elaborating I'll just say that that's something I learned very quickly and put into successful practice from developing and building an interstate wholesale business. Weak, poor product(s) create nothing; it doesn't matter how large the market area, if your product is poor, you will fail in the market.
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unfortunately, they're not selling to you, they're selling
Oct 9, 2012, 10:37 AM
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to companies with finite dollars to spend. those companies do everything they can to maximize their impact.
some companies spend 40% of their $s to maintain what they already have while 60% is invested in new growth, target markets.
not my numbers, i don't agree with everything they do, but i've seen it too often.
it is the reason clemson will not be in the sec. why do they need us? we've been here, but they go get missou?
if they expand, they go after unc or vpi. we might not like it, but that's cold truth.
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