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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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For everyone who was against Pitt/Syracuse and cried
Jan 18, 2013, 8:58 AM
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over and over about WVU not being invited to join the ACC, do you still feel that way after the 2012 season?
Syracuse killed WVU last year and this year...I mean totally dominated them both years. They also dominated Louisville and beat SEC foe Mizzou on the road.
Pitt should have beaten ND, and got hit with a very bad call in OT to lose. They crushed VT and Rutgers.
WVU got embarrassed in Big 12.
I've said all along Pitt and Syracuse are a much better fit and have as much football potential as WVU long term.
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Oculus Spirit [97066]
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But the real issue is Pitt and Syracuse can't keep up with
Jan 18, 2013, 9:01 AM
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WVU in couch burning 
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CU Guru [1482]
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Re: For everyone who was against Pitt/Syracuse and cried
Jan 18, 2013, 9:04 AM
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Reasons to respect Syracuse football:
1) They've kicked a lot of "name brand" teams' butts, including ours.
2) They serve beer in the Carrier Dome.
3) They're orange.
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Athletic Dir [872]
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I respect that list***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:16 AM
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110%er [7390]
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Yes!
Jan 18, 2013, 9:04 AM
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Backyard Brawl: Pitt up 61-40-3. (Last ten: WVU 7-3)
'Cuse coming in on a very high note!!
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CU Medallion [58612]
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Yeah, but what about academics?
Jan 18, 2013, 9:08 AM
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Never mind.
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garrick
Jan 18, 2013, 9:08 AM
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They serve beer during the game ? Wow, my new favorite away game.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Coots playing Syracuse?????***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:28 AM
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CU Guru [1482]
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Re: garrick
Jan 18, 2013, 9:56 AM
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> They serve beer during the game ? Wow, my new
> favorite away game.
Yeah. So does Louisville. Both schools make some pretty good money, and unpleasant incidents involving alcohol like we have here in Puritanland are few and far between (the drunk hillhag who puked all over the bathroom door at my daughter's first game would probably be tazed and banned).
Miami also serves. Word has it that they sold four cups last year, so each of their fans must've had two apiece. The U was able to buy a Happy Meal with the profits.
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Re: For everyone who was against Pitt/Syracuse and cried
Jan 18, 2013, 9:09 AM
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The question isn't the football product alone . Its athletic program as a whole especially the fan base and tv revenue. When its all accounted for WV still would have been better even as a 500 football team.
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110%er [8009]
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I didn't cry about Pitt/Cuse, but I still think WVU would
Jan 18, 2013, 9:10 AM
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have helped the ACC more than those two.
What does the ACC lack that hurts Clemson? Rabid fans. That's what drives the bowl lineup. The ACC bowls are not great. Having another traveling fanbase in the ACC would not only help fill DV, it would also help the ACC get better bowl contracts. That's one reason the ND affiliation is a positive for the ACC.
Now with that said, I hate WVU.
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Re: I didn't cry about Pitt/Cuse, but I still think WVU would
Jan 18, 2013, 9:19 AM
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WVU would have been a terrible selection. I am glad they were not selected to join and they went elsewhere. Their fan base are worse than the Coots...just terrible. Give them two more years and their program will slide worse than Notre Dame against Bama. PITT and the Cuse are getting stronger, just wait and now with Louisville...there will be some exciting things ahead.
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110%er [7913]
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agreed...the ACC lacks rabid fans outside of VT, CU, and FSU
Jan 18, 2013, 9:23 AM
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outside of those schools there are NO schools with a rabid fan bans...NONE.
GT...stinks
NC schools...stink
VA...stinks
BC....stinks
Maryland...stinks
Miami...stinks
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Orange Blooded [4767]
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NC State has a decent football fan base
Jan 18, 2013, 12:05 PM
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But the rest of them I more or less agree with you.
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I agree with Bashful. It's not that I bemoan Pitt/Cuse.
Jan 18, 2013, 9:19 AM
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As a matter of fact, I'm happy to have them as members. But WV, to me, is a great fit. Good football with rabid fans, decent basketball, owns the state and has rivalries or could have rivalries with Pitt, VT, Maryland (and now Louisville) and really any of the old Big East teams. They make sense geographically. I just think that "academics" was a poor criteria. And I am one who considers academics in a conference relevant. But people act like WVU students drool on themselves. It's a bit overdone.
In addition, I like WVU as a football tradition and it frustrates me that they are attached to the Big 12, which is such a bad fit for them. I also don't like that it gave the Big 12 a eastern foothold from which to cause drama with other ACC schools.
Finally, having said all that, I was happy that both Syracuse and Pitt had some nice games this past season, and of course Louisville's BCS performance was lights-out. The future might just be bright after all for the ACC.
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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You could say the same about ECU, USF, and UCF, right?***
Jan 18, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Legend [15754]
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Some of it yes, some of it no.
Jan 18, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Let's see...my claims about WVU:
Good football - I couldn't say this about ECU or UCF, and USF has had some good years but they have no where near the pedigree of WVU in football.
Rabid Fan base - Not bad for USF or ECU, but not quite on par with WVU. Plus, WVU is known to travel. Not sure about the others.
Decent basketball - No.
Owns the state - No.
Rivalries - No. ECU thinks they have a rivalry with other NC schools but other NC schools don't need additional rivalries in the conference. Same with the Florida schools. It's the northern schools that need to be bolstered with regional rivalries. The rest of us have been in the conference forever (except Miami, and I don't think they care).
Make sense geographically - Yes, certainly.
"Academics" was overstated - Probably true. Although at least WVU is the flagship of its state.
Football tradition - No.
Eastern foothold - I suppose, but we can't get every school east of the Mississippi.
Anyway, regardless of your comparisons of these four schools by my listed criteria, I would vote against those three schools and take WVU because they have decades of football under their belt at a higher level and they don't bolster any other state's position in the ACC, especially the state of North Carolina.
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Athletic Dir [872]
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Will be interesting to see if Syracuse can continue
Jan 18, 2013, 9:22 AM
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to compete at the same level now that their coach has left.
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110%er [7913]
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WV still would have been a better fit
Jan 18, 2013, 9:22 AM
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WV has shown more commitment to building a winner and has been more consistent over the past 10 ten yrs than both Syracuse and Pitt. Cuse and Pitt have gone through coach after coach trying to build a winner. One years results don't tell me what would have been a good fit long term. We could have had WV and Louisville with an incredible conference.
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Re: WV still would have been a better fit
Jan 18, 2013, 9:39 AM
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Did not want any of the 3.Did not want Boston College either.
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BC was probably the dumbest decision ever***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:46 AM
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Syracuse is 'that' game we really have to look out.***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:49 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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Agree. Could conceivably be our 3rd toughest game next year.***
Jan 18, 2013, 10:26 AM
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I have it with FSU and GT as 3, 4, 5. Same range but away.***
Jan 18, 2013, 10:51 AM
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WVU has more fans. ACC needs people who care to watch***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:55 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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UCF, USF, and ECU have more fans also.***
Jan 18, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Not even close. Those schools fanbase is more in line
Jan 18, 2013, 10:46 AM
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with UVA than WVU, as far as numbers and passion go.
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agreed....no one outside of eastern NC pays attn to ECU***
Jan 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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Enrollment at UCF is 58,000 with a huge alumni base.
Jan 18, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Enrollment at USF is 47,000 with a huge alumni base also.
WVU and ECU's enrollment is very similar, between 25 and 30K.
Passions would increase greatly by being in the ACC.
UVA is around 20K I think.
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110%er [8009]
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And with all those alumni UCF averages only 34,608 at each
Jan 18, 2013, 12:00 PM
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football game. USF averages 44,130.
The ACC doesn't need another WF or BC type football program.
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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I'm not advocating those schools***
Jan 18, 2013, 12:02 PM
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You are wrong. USF couldn't even sell tickets for the Big
Jan 18, 2013, 11:18 AM
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East championship game against Pitt this year in TAMPA. That crowd was sad. The ACC will never invite those directional schools unless it loses half their members.
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110%er [7913]
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agreed***
Jan 18, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Joe - I agree 100%. ACC FB just needs to win big games.***
Jan 18, 2013, 9:58 AM
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I'd still rather have WVU.
Jan 18, 2013, 10:54 AM
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They have a rabid fan base (perhaps too rabid), sell out their home games, and have at least some level of national respect. Our fan base would have been more siked to play WVU than either Cuse or Pitt. And, there is no doubt that WVU has more on-the-field upside; they can pull at least some recruits, which is something neither Cuse nor Pitt can do.
I have no doubt following the Louisville add that if the ACC had it to do over again they would have added WVU when they were shopping themselves around. They realize that was a mistake, and the Louisville addition was admission of that.
Having said all that, if Pitt built an on-campus stadium (like the old Pitt Stadium, which was intimate and charming) and went back to the yellow unis with ###### helmets that I grew up watching them wear, I'd listen.
As for the Syracuse addition, they bring basketball only. Their stadium is a dump, and I don't care how many times they've beaten WVU or how many dozens of TV's they add in upstate NY, NO ONE CARES.
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there's no doubt WVU would rather be in the ACC either
Jan 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
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they recruited Florida very well and are going to lose games down there now...it's going to hurt them in the end.
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Knowing the coots will root
Jan 18, 2013, 11:07 AM
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For Cuse and dress in orange.... Makes me chuckle
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Are they still yankee schools?
Jan 18, 2013, 12:46 PM
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Then yes, I still wish they hadn't been invited.
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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The war is over***
Jan 18, 2013, 1:54 PM
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