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Where would you rate Coach Brownell's coaching performance
Feb 20, 2017, 11:04 AM
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this year relative to his first 6 years here?
Year /Overall /ACC /ACC Finish
2010-2011 22-12 9-7 Tied for 4th
2011-2012 16-15 8-8 7th
2012-2013 13-18 5-13 11th
2013-2014 23-13 10-8 6th
2014-2015 16-15 8-10 Tied for 9th
2015-2016 17-14 10-8 Tied for 7th
2016-2017 14-12 4-10 12th so far
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Looks pretty much status quo.
Feb 20, 2017, 11:07 AM
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Add that to the fact that he's never really "over achieved", but has under performed numerous times.
This should have been one of his better if not best teams.
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Orange Blooded [4423]
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never overachieved??
Feb 20, 2017, 11:51 AM
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he's finished higher than projected literally EVERY season until this year in which we were picked 11th and could finish there or much higher.
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Projected???
Feb 20, 2017, 12:06 PM
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So, because we're projected to be a perennial middle-of-the-pack to mediocre program that never makes the field of SIXTY FOUR, we should consider that list of results overachieving? Is that what you're saying???
Come on man. I know you're a hardcore BB believer, but don't even YOU think it's time that we expect something better or make a change? It looks like we'll need to win out in conference to have a shot at the NCAA tournament. Of course, anything is possible... but based on what you've seen so far in 2017, even with your sunshine-pumper mentality on BB do you think it likely we will win out? I'm not even considering a ACC tournament championship a possibility - we aren't capable of competing at that level. And we haven't been in YEARS.
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About the same as Sean Spicer's performance so far
Feb 20, 2017, 11:07 AM
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Bumpy.
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Re: About the same as Sean Spicer's performance so far
Feb 20, 2017, 11:22 AM
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wouldnt he have to get in to some games for it to be bumpy?
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The same as any reasonable person would expect it to be
Feb 20, 2017, 11:18 AM
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for the next six seasons.
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B+
Feb 20, 2017, 11:19 AM
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Easily.
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So in your book...
Feb 20, 2017, 11:34 AM
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middle-of-the-pack mediocrity grades out at a B+. If we make the NIT does that grade go up to an A?
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In my book, basketball is like an elective...
Feb 20, 2017, 12:09 PM
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Show up and you get a B.
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Re: Where would you rate Coach Brownell's coaching performance
Feb 20, 2017, 11:38 AM
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I would rate it at a C- thus far based upon returning talent and expectations. I believe his coaching in games has not been what fans anticipated this year.
Go Tigers!
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He flunked out of school two years ago...
Feb 20, 2017, 11:44 AM
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but he keeps coming to class anyway.
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About the 8th best coach in ACC on average.***
Feb 20, 2017, 11:48 AM
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Re: About the 8th best coach in ACC on average.***
Feb 20, 2017, 12:16 PM
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No..........not even close to 8th
1. Coach K
2. Williams
3. Pitino
4. Boeheim
5. Brey
6. Bennett
7. Larranaga
These are 7 no brainers, all much better than BB
I would also rank
8. Hamilton
9. Buzz Williams
10. Josh Pastner based on how he had done at Tech this year.
11. I would also have to put Gottfried ahead of BB also. He had 4 tournaments in 5 seasons and 2 Sweet 16s. He has been killed by the early NBA players leaving early. Yeah they should have been better but still, his achievements dwarf BB
I would have BB somewhere between 12 and 15th
Manning has not got it going at Wake
Christian has not moved the needle at BC
BB has done absolutely nothing at Clemson despite having 2 NBA players.
Stallings hire made no sense then or now. Pitt should have treated Dixon better.
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just do the math ...***
Feb 20, 2017, 1:51 PM
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You are comparing him to schools that care about basketball
Feb 20, 2017, 5:34 PM
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a lot more than Clemson seems to.
You can't compare him to coaches like Coach K, Roy Williams, and Rick Pitino because they are at schools which place a high priority on basketball. They pay better salaries, build better facilities, have better administrative support, and have better fan support than Clemson historically offers. So it's impossible to compare apples to apples, because Brownell has not nearly the advantages and opportunities those guys have.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Brownell is close to their level when it comes to coaching, but every single coach you list above Brownell has significantly more advantages than he does. Is it any wonder he doesn't perform better?
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Re: Where would you rate Coach Brownell's coaching performance
Feb 20, 2017, 12:40 PM
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I would give him a D+ under the circumstances. Coach Brownell was facing an uphill battle from the get-go because of one simple fact: his half-court philosophy. In order to truly be a consistent contender in the ACC with that style, you have to have elite and consistent scoring guards as well as solid rebounding. He had this in his first season and made the NCAA tournament, but that was because the Tempo-style roster that Purnell had put in place gave the Tigers the needed athleticism and experienced scorers.
I thought it would be almost impossible for a true Half-Court minded coach to succeed in this conference, but the fact that Tony Bennett has done it to resurrect a Virginia program who was for the most part on Clemson's level in the decade or so before he got there is just another strike against Brad Brownell. Once Brownell finally got the scorers that he needed, the defense became a weakness and games like FSU and Louisville happened where the floodgates opened. The 2017 team is very talented and can beat anyone on any given night, but also fails to be able to make defensive stops and execute in the final minutes of close games. These things can only be attributed to Brad Brownell and his coaching staff not succeeding in the basics of coaching: teaching and preparation. Even the fundamentals are lacking in clutch moments(see final play at Duke), while the team is consistently ill-prepared to execute mentally and physically in the most important parts of games.
He has kept the program afloat, we aren't 9-22 every year, but these yearly records and lack of progress over past seasons paired with the lack of mental toughness and preparation would lead me to give him a D+. Yes, Tony Bennett is a great coach and it's a great deal to ask of a coach at Clemson to recruit and perform at that level, but it should be expected of our next coach as he builds this program. It's unfortunate for Brad Brownell, who I think could have success in other conferences, but Clemson plays in the ACC. It's time we develop the mindset of contending.
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If you recall, in his first year, he actually tried to go
Feb 20, 2017, 12:56 PM
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too much towards a half court offense and defense early on and the team didn't start to play all that well until he let them press and run a bit more later in the year.
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No different than any other year, except maybe
Feb 20, 2017, 12:41 PM
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even a little less energy.
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shyatt level***
Feb 20, 2017, 1:41 PM
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Clemson Basketball in two words: Shyatt Happens***
Feb 20, 2017, 1:55 PM
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I like Brownell but I think he's waited too late into his
Feb 20, 2017, 2:02 PM
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tenure to recruit. I agree better facilities brings better players but too many times he went for players that only had maybe 2 other offers from smaller schools like Wofford or UNC-Wilmington. On his show one day he was talking about one of the players who he said was struggling with having a major role on the team because he wasn't even used to having a major role on his high school team. Now winning in the ACC is hard enough with good players but it would seem like it's over before it's started with players who had little to no role on their high school team. I think he can coach but his recruiting is what is costing him.
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Re: Where would you rate Coach Brownell's coaching performance
Feb 20, 2017, 2:04 PM
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Only slightly, and I mean slightly, better than Larry Shyatt. Honestly, I think you could have Shyatt here and not be able to tell any difference. Why did we bother to get rid of Shyatt, when a few years later we get his clone.
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Brownell is a quality coach
Feb 20, 2017, 5:58 PM
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... when he has OPs players.
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Re: Where would you rate Coach Brownell's coaching performance
Feb 20, 2017, 7:04 PM
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If he were taking a class he would have to stay after school to do make up work.
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