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When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
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Feb 26, 2023, 11:54 PM
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they aren’t just looking at the NET ranking.
They are also looking at how teams do against other NCAA Tournament teams.
Using Bracket Matrix, I looked at the teams they currently have in the field. We are 4-2 against teams they have in the tournament.
Wins: Pittsburgh, Duke, NC State x 2
Losses: Iowa, Miami
We have another opportunity against a tournament team this week, against Virginia.
In terms of bubble teams, we are 1-1. We beat Penn State, and lost to North Carolina.
I’m not saying that the NET doesn’t matter, but other stuff matters too. This is one of them, and it’s one we excel in.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
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Feb 26, 2023, 11:57 PM
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Judge I would love for this team to bring it together and ball! I've seen them do it. Hopefully they are peaking. I'm ready brother
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Me too.***
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Feb 27, 2023, 12:13 AM
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
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Feb 27, 2023, 12:26 AM
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They will see our horrible losses and take them into consideration and we will be left out of the field.
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A couple of bad games out of 30+ aren’t going to keep us out.***
Feb 27, 2023, 9:24 AM
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I hope you’re right.
Feb 27, 2023, 9:46 AM
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We shall see. 🤞
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
Feb 27, 2023, 12:45 AM
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All of the wins and losses that you listed out in each category are all plugged in to figure out our NET ranking. The ranking goes up and down according to how good our opponent is and how well we play them. I.e, beating NC St. by 25 increases us up 17 spots. It was so low because of Louisville.
I believe will how much propaganda there is about the NET, with Lunardi’s dumb ### on College Gameday and all the Q1 and Seedings, that the NET is like the CFP rankings for basketball and it sets everything up nice and easy so the selection committee gets to be lazy. They use NET like “a restaurant menu” according to Lunardi. “They give you the menu of teams and their ingredients.”
Done with Lunardi, but seriously the NET incorporates everything you listed.
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I'm not sure if ANYONE fully understands the NET ranking...
Feb 27, 2023, 8:00 AM
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matrix. Seems to be very subjective and a basis for the committee to effectively select teams at their discretion.
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I understand how the NET works.
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Feb 27, 2023, 9:52 AM
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I also understand how the selection committee works. They don’t just use the NET. They look at other factors too.
There are many examples of teams with NET rankings in the 50s and 60s getting at-large bids. There are also many examples of teams with really good NET rankings that don’t get in. We are an example of that, as we had a NET of 34 a few years ago and didn’t get in.
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Re: I understand how the NET works. Sure you do?
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Feb 27, 2023, 10:34 AM
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Then why is Ohio State who has lost almost 2x as many games, have a higher net ranking and V Tech who lost to us 2 x have a higher net? Also, why do they not take into consideration improvement of younger players plus players who are recovered from injury?
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Because if it were that clear cut and dry...
Feb 27, 2023, 10:53 AM
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the committee couldn't manipulate the selections at their discretion.
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
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Feb 27, 2023, 1:16 AM
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That would be a weak schedule. Only six games against good teams. Not good
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
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Feb 27, 2023, 6:40 AM
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Yup that is what could get us in. They do look at the fact we have lost 4 games against quad 3 and 4 teams tho. Hopefully they focus on the fact that we have shown we can beat tournament teams though. If we beat uva and nd I believe it's a lock we are in. If we split then it will be close.
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You’ve never denied you are a woman so I will address you as “Lady”
Feb 27, 2023, 6:58 AM
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Lady, we are listed in 1 out of 89 brackets 😬 n the link you just posed and we have only played 6 Tourney teams. We aren’t making the tournament without winning out and 2+ wins in the ACC tourney.
Could it happen? YES!!
Will it? Only Brown- L can decide that.
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Re: You’ve never denied you are a woman so I will address you as “Lady”
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Feb 27, 2023, 7:11 AM
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I think the magic number is 2-3 more wins, 2 if UVA is one of them, 3 if not. They have a committee for a reason, otherwise each year would just be a BCS like computer selection.
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
Feb 27, 2023, 7:47 AM
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The whole selection process is dumb to me. I don't believe in conference equity. Winning the Little Sisters of the Poor conference is not the same by a long shot as winning the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc., yet teams no one has heard of get in the Tournament.
Clemson without a doubt is one of the best 68 teams in the country and when on, no one wants to play us. I get it, when off, anyone wants a shot too.
It doesn't matter, the selections are not fully based on merit and we will have to accept being left out unless we play UVA close, beat ND and win a game or two in the ACC tournament.
Duke shouldn't get in over us and certainly not NCSU, but it wouldn't shock me with all this NET drivel.
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Re: When the NCAA selection committee looks at resumes
Feb 27, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Reminder: being one of the best 68 teams does not get you into the tournament. The tournament field does not consist of the best 68 teams.
First, 32 teams are conference automatic qualifiers, and 36 The NCAA has always favored conference champions as automatic qualifiers. Since many of those conferences are smaller-school conferences, even the conference champions are likely to be lower ranked. Conversely, some of the automatic qualifiers will be highly ranked teams that likely would receive at-large bids anyway.
The committee is trying then to do two related, but distinct jobs.
First, they are trying to fill the 36 at-large bids. Generally speaking--but not an absolute--these will be the 36 best teams that are not already (automatically) qualified. Bubble teams need to hope there are no upsets in conference tournaments; some conference regular season champ losing to a 12th place team on a hot streak means that lower-ranked team gets the automatic bid (otherwise would not have sniffed the tournament field) and the highly-ranked team eats up an at-large bid.
Second, after filling the field with at-large bids, they need to seed the teams. This is a balancing act, too.
Depending on the automatic qualifiers, usually a team needs to be in the top 40-50 teams overall at the end of regular season and conference tournaments to hope to get an at-large bid. Top 68 won't cut it.
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Clemson SOS ranking...
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Feb 27, 2023, 8:07 AM
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and some bad losses against Quad 3 and 4 teams is currently the differentiator.
Spin this one any way you want, but ultimately, if the team wins two of those games (CootU, Loyola-Chicago, Boston College or Louisville), we're probably not having this conversation because Clemson is firmly in the Dance.
At this point, I still think the only path for Clemson to get in the NCAAT is winning the ACCT. I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Clemson SOS ranking...
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Feb 27, 2023, 8:41 AM
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The Loyola and Louisville games are the anchor. Those losses were inexcusable.
SCAR, ok, an early season loss to a rival. Should not have happened, but okay. BC is better than their record. Should not have lost that either, but okay. Both might be examples of "it happens".
Those other two losses...no way. NEVER EVER should have happened. Maybe 1 time in 500, like UVa losing to UMBC that one time. Like SCAR losing to the Citadel in football. But it happened TWICE this year. And happened with fair regularity over CBBs tenure.
It's not like these four horrible losses are uncommon under CBB. It's almost a hallmark of CBB's teams. Beat a top ten team on Tuesday, lose to Podunk U on Saturday. Beat #2 team in the league at home, go on the road and lose to #13 team in the league (who just lost to #14 team earlier in the week).
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This is where the narrative changes...
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Feb 27, 2023, 8:56 AM
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for the Brown-L sunshine pumpers.
All of a sudden, making the NCAAT regularly isn't one of the primary considerations when defining a successful basketball program.
I'm not saying there aren't other factors to consider as well, but winning always has been and always will be at the top of the list. When that changes, it's time to stop playing.
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