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What is wrong with sign stealing?
Oct 27, 2023, 10:39 PM
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I was stealing signs playing 4th grade baseball. Belt buckle tug for bunt, ear lobe pull for steal, touch of the bill cap for take... everybody knew all of that and looked for it.
In college, teams traded films, assistants went to watch future opponents play and so forth.
If you can out-clever the other team, shouldn't you be rewarded for that?
To me, lying is one thing, but hiding is an understood part of the game.
It's a little bit like catchers framing pitches - sure the catcher tries to pull the ball back into the strike zone - everybody knows it - is that wrong?
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Re: What is wrong with sign stealing?
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Oct 27, 2023, 10:56 PM
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Everybody tries to steal signs nobody goes to opponents games, films the signs, lines the signs up to the plays, then knows exactly what they’re doing.
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If they secretly filmed a closed practice to do it,
Oct 28, 2023, 11:15 AM
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that’s wrong in my eyes, but going to a game where anyone is welcome and filming something you are allowed to film doesn’t seem wrong at all. It took a lot of effort, sure, but I don’t see what boundaries were crossed. In my mind, good on them for putting in the work.
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Apparently, you need to go to class to revisit the rules
Oct 28, 2023, 1:16 PM
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along with the UM coaching staff. And it’s not about stealing signs, it’s about in game scouting and videotaping. There are good reasons these rules are in place. The penalties for something like this should be harsh IMO.
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Michigan stealing signs is a crime against humanity.
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Oct 27, 2023, 11:01 PM
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In Ohio.
Everywhere else, it's just football.
NCAA doesnt have a rule against stealing signs.
This is a scandal by Ohioans for Ohioans.
(Come_and_take_it® needs no editing.)
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Re: Michigan stealing signs is a crime against humanity.
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Oct 27, 2023, 11:07 PM
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Absolutely have rules against filming live games might wanna look again. It’s not just “sign stealing”
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Rock Defender [54]
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And we know all NCAA rules are entirely
Oct 28, 2023, 7:43 AM
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sound. None are archaic or woefully luddite.
Paying for a ticket to attend a game then recording parts of the game on a cell phone?
Tha horror.
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Re: And we know all NCAA rules are entirely
Oct 28, 2023, 7:51 AM
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Wait while I get my dictionary
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Re: And we know all NCAA rules are entirely
Oct 28, 2023, 10:20 AM
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Say you don’t understand football without saying you don’t understand football
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Re: Michigan stealing signs is a crime against humanity.
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Oct 27, 2023, 11:09 PM
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You are incorrect about the NCAA having no rules against stealing signs of future opponents that a team will face during the season.
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Re: Michigan stealing signs is a crime against humanity.
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Oct 28, 2023, 12:24 AM
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I figured one sign out. Every time dabo put the waffle house menu to his lips the next play will be a WR screen.
Too soon?
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Re: Michigan stealing signs is a crime against humanity.
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Oct 28, 2023, 12:32 AM
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When Tommy Bowden and Rich Rod came in in 1999, we ran 10 plays... Indy 1-10. Odds were passes, evens were runs. The other teams would always say after the game that they knew what we were running but didn't have time to signal in or adjust.
Then we had the play when we would line up 5 wide... then at the last minute, run in our jumbo package where the D had no time to substitute. As a result... the Tommy Bowden rule came into effect in 2000 which if you substituted... you had to allow time to let the defense adjust.
We didn't huddle once that year in 1999. Tough season going 6-6. Losses to the undefeated FSU and V Tech (who later played against each other in the Natty) and to Marshall with Chad Pennington.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I've recorded every game Ive been to this year.
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Oct 28, 2023, 7:56 AM
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And now having checked tape, can say u nailed the one about Waffle House. That's rock solid.
I've spotted another one:
When Dabo adjusts his cap, it's almost always the ol' Shipley goal line fumblerooski.
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Stealing signs during the game is legal as long as
Oct 28, 2023, 7:47 AM
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you aren't using technology to help.
Michigan was filming the opponents plays and signals weeks in advance of their games. That gave them tons of time to fully analyze it, crack it, learn it, etc.
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Im aware of the rule
Oct 28, 2023, 8:02 AM
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And am saying it's absurd. A relic of another era.
And am suggesting were Michigan 5-3, or maybe Ohio State was #2 and Michigan, say, #5 or lower, nobody would've ever heard of Conor Stalions.
(That the initally story appears to have broken in Ohio seems oddly relevant.)
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Re: Stealing signs during the game is legal as long as
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Oct 28, 2023, 10:28 AM
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I agree that as long as technology is not involved sign stealing is fine. Heck, I’m baseball it’s part of the culture and fun. If the catcher is lazy enough to leave his right leg open the first base coach can get his pitches. Guys on the bench would always make it a contest to see if anyone could get the 3td base coaches signs, etc etc. No issues with that.
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Re: What is wrong with sign stealing?
Oct 28, 2023, 8:29 AM
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The only real solution is on-field encrypted coms like the NFL uses. Otherwise you will always have cheating.
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Re: What is wrong with sign stealing?
Oct 28, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Using technology to steal signs is what the Astros did a few years ago. Look what happened to some of the folks involved with that. Imagine that a team looks like College Football Playoff material but a team has filmed, studied and then gave or sold the signal results to an opponent that used this to win and knocked that team from consideration. How many millions of dollars has that university been deprived of? Stealing signs during the game without using tech is one thing but what we are seeing unfolding with this Michigan thing is totally unethical.
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Re: What is wrong with sign stealing?
Oct 28, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Ask the Houston Astros. lol
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Nothing if it happens during the game that your playing in but
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Oct 28, 2023, 1:48 PM
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you can’t live scout other games. You can only watch film.
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