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Orange Blooded [4367]
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Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 12, 2013, 6:46 PM
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Without a national championship?
Lets say he wins the next 5 in a row vs SCar and wins 4 of the remaining ACC championships this decade. He continues to create a high level of success throughout this decade, there is just no National championship.
And, importantly, he does this without NCAA violations looming around his success.
Does this put him on top of Danny, or does Dabo need a NC to supplant him?
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Yes because the younger generation never saw danny
Mar 12, 2013, 6:58 PM
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coach.
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Question about that...
Mar 12, 2013, 8:04 PM
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I am one of the younger ones who never saw Danny coach. I would give anything to get to live that NC season with all the stories I've heard.
But if Dabo wins a NC at Clemson, in this day in age of the SEC domination, social media, and a bigger national spotlight on college football, would the older generations of Tiger fans still side with Danny, or would Dabo replace him as their all time favorite coach?
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Dabo would replace Danny
Mar 12, 2013, 8:15 PM
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if he won the NC.
Homer J Simpson, older generation?
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I love Dabo, but would be hard to replace my child hood of
Mar 12, 2013, 8:34 PM
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Danny Ford. I cried when Clemson would lose as a kid, so my passion was very high then.
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^^^ still cries a lot as a grown ### man.
Mar 12, 2013, 8:36 PM
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I can't help it lol***
Mar 12, 2013, 8:38 PM
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In Bryanttiger's defense, he doesn't cry over little things
Mar 12, 2013, 9:26 PM
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it's the oil prices that make him lose it
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You better believe I cry everytime
Mar 12, 2013, 9:27 PM
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I see 73.00 at the pump. I have a tender heart, don't judge me
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I won't judge you. But maybe you should buy a Prius
Mar 12, 2013, 9:29 PM
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Well, no...then I'd really judge you.
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I'm not going that far, maybe a Moped***
Mar 12, 2013, 9:30 PM
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Good thinking, you'll get 60 mpg on that hawg. Plus a moped
Mar 12, 2013, 9:35 PM
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looks bada$$ compared to an actual car.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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aren't you selling yours? Very good price
Mar 12, 2013, 9:38 PM
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quit trying to sell him above what you have it listed at Craigslist for
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I should get top dollar for that chick magnet***
Mar 12, 2013, 10:05 PM
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Yep, remember when we lost to FSU in 88
Mar 12, 2013, 9:11 PM
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thought my life was over lol
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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I'm 66 and every loss in the past 58 years has ripped my
Mar 12, 2013, 9:20 PM
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heart out......really. I do love them so. I have always thought if the players felt like I do, we would win much more.
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Re: I'm 66 and every loss in the past 58 years has ripped my
Mar 12, 2013, 9:29 PM
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Ha ha I used to think the same thing. I remember telling my dad if they just wanted it as much as me, they never lose. I learned my lesson when I started playing in high school
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Re: And when we lost to UCONN on a last second shot, my dad
Mar 12, 2013, 9:44 PM
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Not sure I've really enjoyed a basketball game since.
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importance to clemson imo makes
Mar 12, 2013, 8:35 PM
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howard > ford > swinney and i really don't see that changing in my eyes.
i do really like dabo, but he's succeeding/building on the shoulders of what those 2 men built at clemson.
i think pell and bowden should get some needed acknowledgement for their contributions to ford and dabo. if dabo wins a national title, yes, he'll skyrocket for me, but he'll never replace ford as my favorite coach.
teams flat out feared playing clemson.
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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Amen!
Mar 12, 2013, 8:48 PM
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Love Frank like a dad, Danny like a brother, and Dabo like a son.
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^^^Interesting perspective***
Mar 12, 2013, 9:25 PM
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I hated Hatfield like a mother in law***
Mar 12, 2013, 9:32 PM
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In my opinion
Mar 12, 2013, 6:59 PM
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I dont think Dabo could equal or surpass Danny with out a National Championship. Dabo can win the ACC and beat USUC all he wants, but The National Championship is the reason we play the game.
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No***
Mar 12, 2013, 7:09 PM
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If he continues to recruit and win...no doubt.
Mar 12, 2013, 7:11 PM
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I think Dabo is perfect for Clemson and he will be successful for all the right reasons. I love it that he brings in quality men as well as quality athletes. We can be proud of our players and how they represent themselves and the university. Go Tigers!
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Sure.....and Danny is tied with coach frank howard
Mar 12, 2013, 7:13 PM
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as the all timers and frank never won anything close at an MNC. Dabo needs to have a long career and go out on his oown terms with a lot of conference championships and BCS wins. You have to have some majic to win it all unless you are Alabama. Maybe lightning will strike in Pickens county again...
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no sir....no way***
Mar 12, 2013, 7:20 PM
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Don't know if he will ever surpass, but Dabo is definitely
Mar 12, 2013, 7:33 PM
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one of those coaches that will be loved for years. He is not a common coach. I'm proud of Dabo and what he stands for. Not only on the field, but off the field as well. As a coach, I can't remember a time that Clemson has had a head coach that was as sold out for the school and the program as Dabo is and has been since he's been here; and that makes me proud. As a man, he is certainly a class act when it comes to his family, his spiritual life, and his community. Bravo Dabo, bravo.
But Danny is a legend because of the National Championship; he is what people think of when Clemson was at the height of national prominence. For Dabo to get to that legendary status, I think he will have to take us back to that level. I like Dabo better than Danny, but as for the majority, and the legendary status that Danny has, Dabo still has a few steps to take.
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Re: Neither one can pass Frank.***
Mar 12, 2013, 7:46 PM
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can for me.....stopped coaching 3 yrs before I was born***
Mar 12, 2013, 8:14 PM
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Re: Neither one can pass Frank.***
Mar 13, 2013, 10:07 AM
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Maybe that makes sense about the younger generation who never saw Danny coach will think Dabo can be greater. When I saw Frank coach, all I saw was the declining years when we hoped we could beat Maryland to NOT be the worst in the ACC. He was obviously great at one time, but not in the latter years. IMO - NOBODY trumps Danny.
That said - I'm totally happy with Dabo - well, if he ever figures out how to beat Spurrier. 
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Re: Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 12, 2013, 8:30 PM
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Absolutely not.
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Probably not, but can get very close
Mar 12, 2013, 8:32 PM
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if we continue to win 11 games a year. National title and he will
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Frank Howard & Danny Ford's places are forever, & Dabo can
Mar 12, 2013, 8:40 PM
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create his own place. I think that is how all three of them would prefer it.
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Beating SC is a big key to his legacy. He better get busy!***
Mar 12, 2013, 8:38 PM
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Re He better get it done or we want have to worry about it.***
Mar 12, 2013, 10:59 PM
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IMHO only with a Natl Championship. We all hope it happens!
Mar 12, 2013, 8:48 PM
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And beating SC five in a row sure would get the conversation going in the right direction ...
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Re: Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 12, 2013, 8:52 PM
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In some people's minds he could surpass DF, but in others, probably not. Already, Dabo has accomplished a lot, and he has done it in an amazing way. Danny also accomplished so much, and he built a Dynasty, even with the sanctions. Both are great motivators, great leaders, purpose driven, and both will be revered in the history of Clemson University. It truly is a shame that Danny Ford is not prominently included in our Ring Of Honor. Dabo will be in that ring. JMO
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Re: Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 12, 2013, 11:30 PM
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Frank had some great teams, and a great record, from 1945-1960, until they changed admissions requirements. He won several ACC titles, and some big-time bowl games. Danny's teams played in a much, much tougher, competitive ACC, as did Hatfield's. Like it or not, Dabo is owned by Spurrier right now, and frankly I don't see that changing much in the near future. Dabo is passionately loved as the Tigers' coach in two places for two entirely different reasons--Clemson and Columbia!
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Re: Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 13, 2013, 11:41 AM
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Recently the coots are having a good time of it. They do operate under a much different set of standards than Dabo is allowed to work under with admissions expectations, graduation expectations, rule bending, etc. You can see that evidence in the success of all their programs (except basketball where they, like we, care little). That said, Dabo is doing a pretty good job of building a very solid program, and he is doing it by the rules. We have owned usuc for a long, long time, but we have been in a slump for a while. spurlid will leave soon, and it is doubtful they will find another with his FB mind. Time will tell for both programs, though. Really, they mean nothing to me, and they never have.
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It depends on how long Dabo stays at Clemson
Mar 12, 2013, 8:56 PM
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If he wins the national championship, he will become a hot commodity in the coaching world.
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Re: It depends on how long Dabo stays at Clemson
Mar 12, 2013, 9:10 PM
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Only if he wins the National Championship and hangs around after the title and doesn't go look for something even better. I think he realizes he has a good thing at Clemson. If you win it once, no reason why you can't win it again.
Chewing some tobacco or going after a ref might help as well
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Re: I think Dabo will stay a while.
Mar 12, 2013, 10:12 PM
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The only job Dabo may prefer is at Bama. But why would he care to coach there? Bama fans will never be satisfied with their coaches after Saban leaves and no new coach would care to endure the scrutiny.
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There are 5 to 7 million reasons to endure the scrutiny. And
Mar 13, 2013, 10:03 AM
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we all know Dabo feels a ton of scrutiny and heat and loud grumblings from us . . . based on his responses to questions and other statements he makes.
He wins a NC and he could move on to other places making WAY more money and feeling some more scrutiny.
Seems reasonable trade off to me.
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If we do win one, I don't think we have to worry about Dabo
Mar 12, 2013, 9:15 PM
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leaving. Clemson with another National Championship would be seen as an end destination for a career.
Assistants will all be gone though. He'll have to make some more spectacular hires.
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Supplant? No. Join? Certainly!***
Mar 12, 2013, 9:15 PM
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Even if Dabo wins 2 NC's?***
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Did Elijah supplant Moses?
Mar 12, 2013, 10:34 PM
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Nope. Both were invited to the Mount of Transfiguration.
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Wait, so that's kinda like a metaphorical way of
Mar 12, 2013, 10:47 PM
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saying no, right?
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Re: Can Dabo supplant Danny as Clemsons Favorite Coach
Mar 12, 2013, 11:11 PM
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yes
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He not only need to win the NC he needs to...
Mar 12, 2013, 11:13 PM
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get in the dog house with the NCAA. I'd say three years of probation should do it.
OH YEAH, he need to get fired while he's on top.
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Thats how Frank Howard was
Mar 13, 2013, 12:16 AM
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Dominated the conference but never won a national championship.
Dabo will will a national title for us. I just know it.
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Re: Thats how Frank Howard was
Mar 13, 2013, 9:36 AM
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Dabo will make his own place in CU history. He will not supplant DF or FH. Both are legendary in their own right. It is probably gonna play out much the same as it does with Bear Bryant and Nick Saban. Depends on what generation you ask as to who is the King of the Coaching Mountain. I was at Cu during Danny's time, but not Frank, so I still love me some DF. But, Dabo has got us heading to the promised land, and he will write his own place in CU history along the way.
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Nope
Mar 13, 2013, 9:40 AM
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Because everybody remembers history different. All the younger generation hears stories of danny. Kinda like walking to school up hill both ways.
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I never saw Coach Ford coach at Clemson
Mar 13, 2013, 9:45 AM
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Although I saw him coach at Arkansas, and saw Houston Nutt win at Arkansas with Coach Ford's players.
That said, Dabo would have to both win a national title AND match Coach Ford's bowl winning percentage (.75, 6-2) before I'd consider the two to be in the same conversation.
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Re: I never saw Coach Ford coach at Clemson
Mar 13, 2013, 9:53 AM
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Coach Ford was also 7-3-1 against South Carolina, Dabo would have to come close to that kind of mark as well.
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