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well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 5:46 AM
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First off: amazing run by Clemson. The fourth quarer stunk for everybody involved, because Clemson was better on O, was better on D, was largely...better. Against 99% of teams, that's enough. Unfortunately, that 1% was exactly who we played, in the Most Elite of the Elite, the Alabama Crimson Tide...and they got the bounces...and while our O and our D were better, the Tide were indeed better across the three phases, when averaged out.
The one failure? Special teams. Danny Pearman's bailiwick.
Pearman has never been a recruiter, but tonight was the first night I can say, legitimately, "Danny Pearman's special teams has now lost us a game." Unfortunately, that game happened to be the National Title Game.
Mind you, our ST's have stunk for quite awhile now...it's just, our offense and our D was so good, it really didn't matter. But our inability to cover or return beat us huge last night, on the biggest stage of all.
Nobody missed it.
Be curious to see what happens there. Mind..I do not expect to see a public hanging; that isn't Dabo's style...and quite frankly, I'm glad it isn't. I also know Dabo and Pearman are friends. But what happened is pretty transparent to everyone, and I'm curious to see if there are...repercussions...or at least, adjustments, down the road.
Special Teams are kind of...a calling. Guys who do that job well, sort of...embrace it. They're a little off. They have to relate well to a...variety of guys, be able to establish a culture.
Sorry, Pearman just...hasn't. And it's been years. And again, it cost us a national title, tonight.
We need a special-teams coordinator who has as distinctive a style as Morris/Elliot have had on O, or Venables has had on D. So...does it appear - to anyone - that we have that?
Not saying "fire Pearman" or "hang anyone", but we really need that guy. Football is indeed a game of three phases, and just being dominant in two of them is not quite good enough. I hope we take a look at what we can do to get better - and how we fell short - and just...fix it. And have an even more monster 2016 to follow up what was a crazy-good 2015.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 5:58 AM
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We need to find a kicker that puts it in the end zone no way should we allow a return at that time of the game.
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Two things:
Jan 12, 2016, 7:16 AM
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Number one, we had a kicker that could put it in the end zone. He decided to smoke some weed, and was subsequently kicked off the team.
Number two, Huegel was booming them into the end zone all night against Oklahoma. So we know he -can- kick them that far. It's just a problem of why he can't do it consistently.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 6:27 AM
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He's our worst coach for sure.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 6:15 AM
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As a position coach he is one of the most accomplished on the team. 4 all ACC tight ends, 2 Mackey award finalist, 1 winner. All with a 2 star player, two 3 star converted wr's, and a 4 star player
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How many of them could block?***
Jan 15, 2016, 9:46 AM
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 6:37 AM
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I was under the impression the coaching staff divided the ST duties so it is not on any one coach. I also don't see how you can know that ST cost us the game when we had several busts on D were the stinking TE ran free or the RB hit the hole untouched and ran for the endzone without any resistance.. Yes STs had two plays where were busts but I counted more than that on D.
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Anyone who watched the game knew.
Jan 12, 2016, 6:44 AM
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Clemson dominated in the trenches, had more rushing yards and more passing yards. The difference in the game was the on-sides kick, which was an all time great play, and the KR, which as soon as it was caught at the 5 yard line I started saying no, no, no. That's because returns are such a problem I knew.
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Same here...
Jan 12, 2016, 9:36 AM
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I was already saying "no, no, no" when the ball was still in the air and headed to the 5 yd line.
Strange how we could see what was coming... 
We've been bad on ST for a while. (Haven't had a decent return game since Spiller?) It finally cost us a game, and I don't think that's a surprise to anyone that it eventually happened. But this one sure hurt.
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Then apparently somebody needs to be focused on ST full time
Jan 15, 2016, 9:47 AM
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because ST being something several guys do when they aren't coaching offense or defense clearly doesn't work.
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Two great teams played last night
Jan 12, 2016, 6:54 AM
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The fake kick did for them, what ours did against Oklahoma. If you want to point at a reason. We missed assignments and our best DB was on the sideline. The last play that was missed was by a young player that hasn't played much. Mackenzie would have tacked him for no gain and we'd have gone up soon after . they just got the bounce . we will be back later on next January.
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Two great teams played last night
Jan 12, 2016, 6:54 AM
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The fake kick did for them, what ours did against Oklahoma. If you want to point at a reason. We missed assignments and our best DB was on the sideline. The last play that was missed was by a young player that hasn't played much. Mackenzie would have tacked him for no gain and we'd have gone up soon after . they just got the bounce . we will be back later on next January.
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Two great teams played last night
Jan 12, 2016, 6:56 AM
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The fake kick did for them, what ours did against Oklahoma. If you want to point at a reason. We missed assignments and our best DB was on the sideline. The last play that was missed was by a young player that hasn't played much. Mackenzie would have tacked him for no gain and we'd have gone up soon after . they just got the bounce . we will be back later on next January.
GO TIGERS!!
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The ST is divided amongst ALL coaches. Fire them all?***
Jan 12, 2016, 6:59 AM
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 7:20 AM
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you guys have been calling for his a head for quite some time, but it is hard to deny what he has done with our tight ends. Sorry, but this one falls on Dabo.
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cordially disagree.... which I don't often do with the Q.
Jan 12, 2016, 7:37 AM
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Thought that the insides kick was the game-changing play, and that was an alignment issue, which is on the Head Coach as well as the ST Coach. Lining up should never be an issue. To make matters worse, Dabo still doesn't know the rule, even after not getting the ruling last year against USuCk. Simply put, there was no Tiger within close enough distance to the ball to catch it, so the defender did not impede any catch. That wasn't the case last year against USuCk.
The kick run back is obviously something that this team needs to work on - 3 run back for TD's in one year is in fact ridiculous.
But regardless, it's nothing more than one more breakdown that occurred on the defensive side. Too many missed assignments, one of which led to the first TE touchdown pass, but also there was the gap issue on Henry's first 50-yard jaunt.. Too many missed tackles, one of which led to the 2nd TE touchdown.
But who's perfect? Mama wasn't that's for sure.
Two great teams going head to toe and it took a coaching call to change the momentum. Score one for Darth Vader, and Dabo should put the 'minus' in his column.
Love Dabo. Love our staff. Love our team. Great Season!
Go Tigers!
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We squandered some red zone or near red zone opportunities
Jan 12, 2016, 7:55 AM
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as well. Offense wasn't perfect either.
Our guys played their guts out. We just didn't create or get the breaks needed to win. Bama made some very outstanding plays, a few more than we did.
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Re: cordially disagree.... which I don't often do with the Q.
Jan 15, 2016, 8:55 AM
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I figured most people would blame the onside kick for the loss, but Alexander leaving the game changed the offensive play calling for Alabama. Ultimately gaining just enough big plays to squeak by..
the onside kick was a blunder the Tigers overcame.
What we couldn't overcome was the loss of Alexander...
though technically I guess you could "blame" almost any play as a reason or part of the reason Clemson lost and the onside kick IS the most standout play of the game...
kinda reminds me of the A's baseball team "scientifically" filling the percentage gaps, got all the way to the Series and lost the big game. The overall percentage fell short..
In this case it was Special Teams that fell short for Clemson.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 7:39 AM
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Not the coaches fault Tank missed a tackle. Ill give you the onside kick tho.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 8:35 AM
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Yes there is usually players to blame as well but when special teams is consistently an issue including no return game then the coaches are responsible. ST has been a problem for years and something needs to happen. Heck hire Frank Beamer as a consultant who oversees STs operations therefore you don't have to fire anybody to make room for a new "coach". He could live in a slightly warmer climate than Virgina and have a nice little spot on Keowee.
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Specials teams beat us, but I thought we got better as the
Jan 12, 2016, 7:52 AM
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year progressed. We were a lot better until the 2nd half.
People like to assign blame when things don't go their way. I trust Dabo to decide what needs to happen to fix special teams
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I came on here to say the same thing
Jan 12, 2016, 8:09 AM
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Our special teams has not been a priority in a long time. While we've had some individuals that excelled on special teams over the years, the UNIT has been lackluster. Out kick coverage has not been good for a long time. And our return game is non-existent lately.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 12, 2016, 9:17 AM
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Did not even read your post but the only people that Caused Clemson A championship is Alabama.
Please just grow up!
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I too, cordially disgree with your last sentence...
Jan 15, 2016, 4:59 AM
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....while it may not have been stated very well ( "...'xxxx' cost us the natl championship...."), the fact temains we could have won that game if not for: "_______" ( fill in the blank ).
The purpose of this forum is for us to discuss and debate and talk Tiger football on line since Quozzel and lightbulbbill won't move next door to me and keep enlightened, informed and entertained while we sit on the porch drinking cold beverages.
But to confess "I didn't read the post", then offer your adviceto grow up?... again, I cordially disagree.
V/r
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 6:39 AM
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Quoz, I usually agree with most of what you say, but this one is a little reaching. Pearman is not solely responsible for the entire special teams unit. The responsibility of special teams falls on Dabo first and foremost. He is the one that must bring the heightened focus on where ST's need improvement and fix it. We lost Pinion a year early and lost that leg that could put the ball in the endzone a high percentage of the time. You go from approx 40 returns with Pinion to over 60 with Lakip/Heugal. You go from about 800 yards in return yardage to over 1400 because of ONE player. Whose responsibility is it pick the personnel on KO's? The most successful special team units put some of their best players on the KO team. Blaming the bama loss on Pearman is lame. The onside kick didnt cause us to lose this game. The kickoff for a touchdown didnt cost us this game. The inability to cover a TE that hadnt scored a touchdown all year cost us this game. 5 catches for 208 yards. A TE. THAT is what cost us the game. Not Pearman. Not the special teams.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 7:15 AM
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god what an idiotic post. amazing you have anyone read your drivel. each coach is in charge of a different special team. coach hobby and coach reed are in charge of the kickoff team. do we want to fire both of those guys. the pure idiocy on this board is beyond the realm. smfh.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 7:23 AM
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Also couldn't have been anything to do with the 50 yd run right off the bat and kearse could have made a play on. 3 50+ yd passes we gave up. The simple swing pass to a te that went the length of the field on a 2nd and 13 I believe. Never would I have thought we shut Ridley out and give up 205 to the te. So it was 2 part special teams and secondary. We'll be back have a lot of talent. Go Tigers!
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 7:38 AM
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Forgot to add it sucks to waste the performance of the offense they were awesome
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 8:06 AM
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lmao. quozzel, were you the moron that just called mickeys show.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 8:32 AM
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Let's be real:
Onside kick - I bet we see a line up change. Dabo learned on the biggest stage about the rule.
Kick return for TD - Tank lost contain and missed tackle. He cut in to early.
How to "fix" coverage?
- kick it higher and/or into the endzone. Watch how far the opposing team gets before our first guy reaches the returner and compare it when we are receiving. Opposing teams are getting the ball earlier which gives them more room to run, pick holes, set up blocks, etc.
I don't hear anyone screaming to fire BV for allowing the TE to kill us over and over. ...... oh what's that you say? You say, "missed tackles" and "not having best player (Alexander)" is the reason?
Oh, ok. .... let's keep BV....but yeah. ...fire DP.
*note*
I'm not advocating firing BV in any way at all!!!!
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 8:35 AM
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guess the fact that bama runs the exact same scheme on kickoffs means nothing to the mot.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 9:47 AM
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I don't blame TE success on Brent, they did not utilize him all season, go back and watch their games he was rarely used esp not the way he was used 4th quarter against us. BV can only prepare for what's on tape and seen over the year. We just got out coached their, Sabin came up with something we weren't prepared for and sent it at our weak side missing Mac. Even if bv made adjustments it was with an inexperienced corner whom was no match for a 5star TE. I don't feel we can blame him for that, but special teams failed every game this year. It's not like we didn't know they would return the ball if we kicked like a girl every time.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 10:36 AM
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It didn't fail when we were kicking it high and deep.
Think you missed my point.
And the TE thing was just to show how ridiculous the special team argument has become. ....but if you feel the need to push back on it I'll take it a step further. Why did BV not make adjustments to account for the guy after the first couple of big plays? ???
****see my original post and insert appropriate response*****
*****now consistently apply that logic to special teams issues******
And done
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Blown coverages and missed tackles way more blatant
Jan 15, 2016, 8:38 AM
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than ST miscues.
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Re: Blown coverages and missed tackles way more blatant
Jan 15, 2016, 8:41 AM
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Lol just no
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Re: Blown coverages and missed tackles way more blatant
Jan 15, 2016, 9:01 AM
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Umm...at least equal. We let Howard run wide open the entire game. Our safeties were in la-la land.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 9:18 AM
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Agree!!!!!!!
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Let's fire the messenger (Q) & shoot the HC (Saban) since both
Jan 15, 2016, 9:47 AM
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Are causing us on TNet to be rolled (oops, meant "riled") uP!
Com'on guys, it's DONE..& yes our team should have & could have won..but they didn't, and on the other hand they did win Big in the hearts of many across America due to their fight & big heart to win #15!
And, the 14-1 equaled the NC Champs final game win margin..just not in same order.
GoTiGERS..keep ROCKing!
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Where to begin....
Jan 15, 2016, 9:22 AM
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First off, I've never been a huge Danny Pearman fan because he's not a very good recruiter and doesn't seem very personable. The special teams issues reared their ugly head early this year, and nearly cost us the Louisville game. But I won't say that Danny Pearman "cost" us the natty. No way.
Losing Alexander had a lot to do with us losing, along with poor safety play. But I digress.
A LOT of the ST issues this year have been linked to poor kickoffs (not enough height, distance), poor formations (witness the onside kick in the natty) and poor effort (no, I won't call out anyone but it's obvious who they are). Heck, even DJ Reader made a statement after the game which was critical of some of the players.
I knew Saban would catch that on film and the onside kick was perfectly timed/executed--so hats off to him--he's a ###### good coach.
My personal opinion is that the ST by committee approach isn't working. Dabo is obviously smart enough to see that and make the necessary changes. We are limited in the # of coaches we can have on staff and I don't see him firing anyone. We dominated in 2 of 3 phases in the natty, but that isn't good enough when you play a team like 'Bama. You have to win all 3.
So changes are coming, but pinning the loss on Pearman is a strech.
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Re: Where to begin....
Jan 15, 2016, 9:33 AM
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I wouldn't say we dominated on defense. Without the kickoff return they still put up 38 on us.
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Re: Where to begin....
Jan 15, 2016, 9:35 AM
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See the part where I noted poor play at the safety position. Two touchdowns were on Kearse/Green.
Losing Alexander to injury cost us another, IMO. No way they make that 3rd and 12 if he's in the game, Banker just flat out missed the tackle.
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Re: Where to begin....
Jan 15, 2016, 9:42 AM
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I know what you mean, but those are things that did happen on defense and I don't blame special teams for that. For that matter, the offense was fantastic, but didn't manage to capitalize on a few short field situations in 2nd half.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 9:26 AM
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A lot of pieces/players fell out of place for this game
BUT I DO AGREE
Clemson needs to tighten up special teams
It has definitely been a long term problem
One I have worried about every game Clemson has played for the last few years
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 9:53 AM
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What i see is that we need a dedicated special teams coach. I don't know if that is possible. Pearman seems to be a very good Tight Ends coach and special teams is his "second job" Coverage and returns have always been shaky. I also think we need to spend more time on recruiting quality kickers. Last year we had a great punter but no one outstanding behind him.
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Re: well, Danny Pearman has now cost Clemson a NT
Jan 15, 2016, 10:30 AM
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Why not hire a Graduate Assistant with a strong ST background as a player, and a passion for good ST play, and make it his full-time responsibility to get our ST play up to the same level as our O & D play?
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