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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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Well obviously we dont kniw tha validity of this but itvsure seems to all make sense and to be very logical!!!
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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I think the SEC would love to add FSU/Clemson. I also believe ESPN can't authorize new money and will fight tooth and nail to keep those two underpaid and in the ACC.
Also, Big10 affiliation may be better for the University as a whole. It will ease AAU membership and provide a boost in research money.
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Yeah, FSU and Clemson are the real losers being stuck ....
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in the ACC. Time for ESPN to pay up or off to greener pastures.
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Big Ten information. College football fan
@Genetics56
I had a nice dinner with my long-time friend in the athletic department. We talked at length about conference realignment, the future of college athletics based on what is currently known, and some inside conversations happening between athletic departments. I'm just going to share what is relevant to everyone.
1: Clemson and Florida State are waiting for the "signal" to leave. I don't know when that signal will be sent. The signal is essentially the Big Ten and the network partners telling Florida State and Clemson that they are ready to add a southern swing of schools. Big Ten commish can't just call and say "hey, it's time for your offer." FSU has a "home." The presidents of the schools will tell him to go and add the others after conversations with FOX/NBC/CBS. The networks want it. It isn't going to be just two schools down south when this is done. Target should be anywhere from 2 at first and then up to 4 or 5. The additions outside of FSU and Clemson will have to come in at a very low number like OR/WA did.
so they will go to 20, but it isn't known how quickly they will go to more than 20 because of the GOR issues/cost that other schools will have. so this may have to be a long, bleeding process before it is in it's completed form.
I'm told that the Big Ten would like to get UNC but they know that may not happen. The talk of UNC and UVA as the top targets or moved onto those two schools is not true. UVA has no shot at a Big Ten invite right now because FOX will not pay for it, just like they are not willing to pay for Cal and Stanford.
FOX wants regional brands and rivalries in all regions to broadcast on their channels and the same with CBS and NBC.
FOX is going to try and retain all content under their "umbrella" so they own the assets.
From my understanding, rights will be acquired. What the expense is and who has to send the check, I don't know.
2: I was told several high level decision makers at Clemson would prefer to go to the Big Ten. They will have no issue of going to the SEC if they can't get into the Big Ten. There have been several back channel communications. Of course the Big Ten presidents want to move slower but FOX wants it done as quickly as they can.
3: FOX already knew the Pac-12 was going to implode several weeks before Colorado announced for the Big 12. FOX was ready to communicate to the Big Ten to get things going. Go back to when the Big Ten commish spoke at media days. He didn't say anything about not adding anymore schools for a reason. He just said the presidents didn't authorize him to do it (yet). The presidents of the Big Ten schools did not want to add those two schools for several years but had to do it now or lose them for the long-term.
Many in the Big Ten are very, very happy with the last 4 conference additions. Now it's a matter of timing for when they add the southern wing to the conference. They want to be THE national conference and outside forces are not gong to be able to prevent that from happening.
4: The OR/WA ordeal was closer to falling apart than the public knows. They estimate that it will cost $10M annually in travel costs alone and having a payout of $30M, they will have fewer dollars to spend on other resources. FOX would only give them 1 million dollars annually for travel expenses, which is not the normal process. Usually a network will never agree to something like this. That goes to show how strong the relationship is between FOX and the Big Ten. It's a very healthy relationship.
5: There was no push back from USC and UCLA leaders for adding OR/WA even when they are not voting members. They don't view OR/WA additions will impact USC's ability to be the dominant brand out west.
6: There are serious conversations, at least at the athletic department level, for going to 10 conference games.
7: ESPN does not want to lose the ACC. That's been made clear by many communications among people. But they will also not pay a boat load of new money because they don't have the money to do it and don't have the authorization to do it.
8: The Big Ten isn't viewing Notre Dame as a must get to accomplish the national conference goal. That wasn't the case last summer as they tried to get Notre Dame to join.
The Big Ten and network partners are not worried about what the other conferences and networks do. They have complete control of the biggest brands out west, have the big brands in the Big Ten, will get their southern swing accomplished, and then later will get into Texas.
There's nobody playing anyone to try and get any result. ESPN can't do anything unless their bosses sign off on it and right now they don't have authorization to make any new tv deals, etc.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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For away games I would love the big 10. Imagine being in a white out game against Penn state. My wife is from Michigan, the big house is cool. I’ve already Been to games at auburn and uga wasn’t really impressed. UGA was tied at half time and to me the stadium wasn’t loud. Same with auburn, we only one by 6 points. There stadium wasn’t as loud as expected. Both i would say were below williams brice.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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Aug 12, 2023, 12:42 PM
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No self respecting southern football fan wants to play Indiana, Northwestern, Iowa, etc in October/November. No thanks.
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on par w/ BC, WF, Duke, Syracuse, BC, etc.***
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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Very interesting. Still not clear how FOX could bail Clemson and FSU out of the GOR in the ACC.
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Yep. That is my biggest question...
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Aug 12, 2023, 11:40 AM
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...about the message.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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Simple, Disney gets desperate for money and has to sell ESPN to FOX... 
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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FOX is willing to help buy us out of the financial hurdles of the exit fee and GOR. The poster mentions that FOX is not willing to help buy out UVA, which is why the rumors about the BIG moving on to them and UNC are false.
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It does seem like a smart move by the Big 10 to try and add
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...Clemson and FSU. Getting a good Southern group of schools like Clemson and FSU would only strengthen their brand.
I personally think that both schools are a better fit for the SEC, but I just want out of the ACC because money matters. Also, I could care less about a conference controlled by those NC schools for so long.
I hope NCST, NC, Wake, and Duke get left in the cold.
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Re: It does seem like a smart move by the Big 10 to try and add
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Aug 12, 2023, 10:26 AM
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I got no beef with Wake or State. Dook and UNC on the other hand....
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Re: Maybe you're right.
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Wake and Maryland voted against.
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Ok, my beef is only with NCST, UNC, and Duke then. =)
Aug 12, 2023, 11:19 AM
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I remember that Maryland voted against it.
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They realize that ND has painted themselves in a corner
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and will have to come a beggin' once they find it hard to schedule games in the NEW Super Conference Era ????????
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Re: They realize that ND has painted themselves in a corner
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Notre Dame will try the same deal with the Big12.
They're always looking for the next cheap wh0re.
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Re: They realize that ND has painted themselves in a corner
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and will have to come a beggin' once they find it hard to schedule games in the NEW Super Conference Era ????????
That’s one program that I would love to see crash and burn.
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Well, at least we agree on something!
Aug 12, 2023, 11:27 AM
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And I'm from an Irish-Catholic background!
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Re: They realize that ND has painted themselves in a corner
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I think you'll be disappointed. Notre Dame still has the largest national fan base (other teams have more fans, but are more regional). They won't have any trouble scheduling games.
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I think that's right. And I would add, ESPN/Disney do NOT
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have unlimited funds. Just the opposite. ESPN is no longer growing and they have had lay offs, many affecting the college football personalities most of us like.
I do not like any of this. At all.
But to me, becoming part of the Southern tier of the B1G makes the most sense.
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Just my opinion,
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in order for a Southern Tier to work best, It'd need 4 teams and those other 3 ALWAYS on each other's schedule to help with travel costs ???? Like said, just an opinion.
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Have you looked at his followers?
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They include Graham Neff, David Hale, Mickey Plyler and Dan Radakovich. Not saying that lends credibility, but it is interesting.
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Good point.
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He's also being followed by full time employee of the largest FSU internet website, warchant.com.
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Re: Have you looked at his followers?
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"Dan Radakovich"
Now there's a name that carries some weight.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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In my opinion ESPN is apparently bled themselves dry or is definitely headed in that direction. Layoffs and Disney in general seems to be weakening and this is with ESPN charging carriers more than they ever have before. That channel alone is the highest priced channel we offer on our platform and they are always coming back for more. Hard to believe someone could mismanage that into what now seems to be something that is cash strapped at this point.
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doesn't help that they're woke either...
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Well, that didn't take long.
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Re: doesn't help that they're woke either...
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most college football fans are not woke.
Very true. They have also brought on a lot of idiots for their talk show deals and they seem to politicize everything. I honestly cannot watch anything but an actual game on that network anymore. Used to love SportsCenter growing up. Out of touch is what their management has become, and don’t get me started on Stephen A-Hole.
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Must be tuff living in a world that...
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..you see in this monotopic political view.
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Re: Must be tuff living in a world that...
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Have no idea what this even means, but no it’s not very hard to see the politicalization of this network, and no my life can sometimes be tough for various reasons I won’t mention, but I live in Realville and it is what it is. According to their current direction I am not the only one that can see it.
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I am sorry you can't interpret what I said.
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So I asked Chatgpt to do it for you:
The meaning of the last post seems to be a sarcastic or critical response to the previous discussion about college football fans, their perception of being "woke," and the alleged politicization of sports networks. The person who wrote the third post appears to be suggesting that the individual they are replying to has a narrow or one-sided perspective, implying that they only see the world through a single political lens.
By using the term "monotopic political view," the person seems to be mocking the previous comments for focusing solely on political aspects and suggesting that the person they are replying to is ignoring or dismissing other perspectives or aspects of the situation. It's a way of highlighting the perceived one-dimensional thinking or narrow-mindedness of the previous discussion. The tone of the response seems to suggest that the person finds the earlier comments to be overly fixated on political matters and lacking a more nuanced understanding.
You can thank me later.
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Re: I am sorry you can't interpret what I said.
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It's really ashamed that they have gone that direction. I really used to enjoy watching SC. All the do now is promote their liberal agenda and if you don't agree you are a racist.
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Yeah, Newnan, time for you to stop watching sports.
Aug 12, 2023, 11:35 AM
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I agree.
I guess you'll have to stop posting on here too. Oh, the tragedy.
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Got lost troll.***
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Did you mean "get" lost?***
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Re: I am sorry you can't interpret what I said.
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My take is this realignment is mostly about football revenue. And yet, there is a vast political divide that Stanford and Cal-Berkeley will do everything possible to promulgate. Clemson’s direction is undecided, and possible Tnet interpretations are infinite.
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Re: I am sorry you can't interpret what I said.
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My take is this realignment is mostly about football revenue. And yet, there is a vast political divide that Stanford and Cal-Berkeley will do everything possible to promulgate. Clemson’s direction is undecided, and possible Tnet interpretations are infinite.
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The ‘unwoke’ (whatever that means) always…
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Lurking to hijack threads. Sheesh, give a break guys or move to Florida.
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Yes, they love to bring politics into sports.***
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This is the most sensible take I’ve heard.
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Almost everything else could easily be filtered as speculation. Then again this could be more of the same although I think this is accurate because the things that we do know for sure would support this.
Thanks for sharing.
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I'll believe any of it until it happens...
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Just talk at this point....
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Thanks for posting.
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Everything the guy said sounds like a reasonable possibility.
The obvious question is, "If this isn't very close to being a done deal, then how does the guy in the athletic department know anything? If this is "common scuttlebutt" around the OSU athletic department, then sounds like good news for FSU and Clemson.
But, no talk about how those two schools will pay to get out of GOR. I'm not buying any story that says Fox wants Clemson and FSU so bad they will pay a significant portion of the money. (I know the guy didn't say that; I'm just going on a rabbit trail for a moment.)
If that talk is true, then that would put FSU and Clemson in a good bargaining position. They can tell the SEC, "Here's the offer to head to B1G. Do you have a counter?"
Still nothing posted about a meeting with FSU BOT next week. But, if the story gets out consisting of what you posted, look for the internet rumor mills to go beserk.
Great job. Keep us updated.
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Signal
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Are we looking for the Batman sign in the sky, weather balloon, or what???
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Re: Signal
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I suspect the Goodyear blimp flying over Clemson and Tallahassee is the signal. Keep a lookout.
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just to clarify about Genetics56... he was the first to say
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that SMU would be joining the Cal/Stanford talks.
He was also the first to post about ND being the ones to push for Cal/Stan to the ACC on Aug.9 He posted this earlier that morning. News didn't break about ND until that afternoon.
https://twitter.com/Genetics56/status/1689309082916638720?s=20
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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So the message is: hurry up and wait.
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Man, these conferences are just ###### to the networks.
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"UVA has no shot at a Big Ten invite right now because FOX will not pay for it, just like they are not willing to pay for Cal and Stanford."
Just striking. Absolutely no interest outside of eyeballs. Culture, geography, etc. All meaningless.
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Re: Man, these conferences are just ###### to the networks.
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This is what I have been saying for weeks. The networks are pulling the strings, the conferences are just doing their bidding.
It's all about the Benjamins.
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Re: Man, these conferences are just ###### to the networks.
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It’s a game of Risk playing out in real life, but it’s a race to collect as many valuable brands as possible… regional markets died years ago, the networks don’t care about a Syracuse or Oregon state fan. They want the NFL fan that is a casual college fan who would never watch Pitt play NC State, but hears Ohio State is playing Southern Cal and tunes in immediately. They don’t care about the college fans because we are already hooked and watch everything.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
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This was a very interesting read and insight. Thank you for sharing. The one that caught my eye, among others:
7: ESPN does not want to lose the ACC. That's been made clear by many communications among people. But they will also not pay a boatload of new money because they don't have the money to do it and don't have the authorization to do it.
ESPN simply is not going to work with the ACC to make it easier for anyone to leave unless somehow their hand is forced.
Maybe Disney eventually has to sell ESPN to FOX and then things get a lot easier for us...
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Get out of the ACC and screw ESPN! I’m for that!***
Aug 12, 2023, 3:23 PM
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Clemson and fsu getting partial shares?
Aug 12, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Get bent BiG. Those would be two of your biggest national brands right out of the gate. Give the partial shares to the dead weight in your league.
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Re: Clemson and fsu getting partial shares?
Aug 12, 2023, 1:38 PM
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I don't see any mention of partial shares for Clemson/FSU. I have heard UNC and others would be offered partials. It's not the Big 10 making these offers, it's Fox and what they are willing to pay. Clemson is lucky that they draw such a large NATIONAL audience.
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110%er [6858]
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You're right - they were talking about the next two after
Aug 12, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Clemson & fsu
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FSU would save travel expenses in the SEC.
Aug 12, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Clemson might in the right division. Is Texas farther away than Cuse?
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Re: FSU would save travel expenses in the SEC.
Aug 12, 2023, 3:51 PM
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Austin is 952 miles from Clemson. Syracuse is 841 miles from Clemson.
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Not much diff when flying anyway.***
Aug 12, 2023, 3:57 PM
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger....
Aug 13, 2023, 9:35 AM
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I would have preferred the Big 10 over the SEC but it’s too late now and then I have to see Aggie again every year. I just hope it’s not back to thanksgiving because I tend to get indigestion just looking at those inbred Aggie subhumans.
Picture your coots and you have my Aggie.
Aggie is plural for idiot.
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