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So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:26 PM
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lost 3 games, right?
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give daniels penix numbers and record
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:27 PM
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and that would be the exact narrative they would use to justify him beating penix
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:31 PM
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That was the excuses they were using, but CJ was the exact type of player that the Heisman award describes as a Heisman player!!!
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:35 PM
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Rules/consistency are always in flux for SEC and BIG
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:44 PM
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Daniels had better numbers than Penix.
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
Dec 9, 2023, 11:22 PM
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He threw for less yds per game than Penix.
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That argument shouldn't have worked, the Coots lost FOUR games in 1980
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:47 PM
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when George "Never Scored Against Clemson" Rogers won it.
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Well, I do remember Coots calling in on the radio years later and saying
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:53 PM
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that a Heismann trophy was better than a National Championship. Not kidding.
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Re: Well, I do remember Coots calling in on the radio years later and saying
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Dec 9, 2023, 10:15 PM
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They say lots of things that have no truth, nor any merit. They are to be ignored. That is all!
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Kinda like the 'best team' vs 'most deserving' argument***
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 9:58 PM
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CJ also wasn't by far the statistically superior player. Ingram and Gerhardt were miles better statistically. And if you want to say stats shouldn't matter it should go to the best player - well then it should have gone to Suh.
CJ didn't win it because while he was a deserving top 10 vote getter, he really didn't put together the kind of season it takes to win.
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Wait a minute
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Dec 9, 2023, 11:44 PM
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In 2009 both Spiller and Ingram played 14 games
Spiller had -
1212 rushing yards, 12 TDs
503 receiving yards, 4 TDs
which is 1715 yards from scrimmage, 16 TDs
Ingram had -
1658 rushing yards, 17 TDs
334 receiving yards, 3 TDs
which is 1992 yards from scrimmage, 20 TDs
Ingram had 277 more yards from scrimmage and 4 more TDs, better but not necessarily by miles.
But, Spiller also had -
755 kick return yards, 4 TDs
210 punt return yards, 1 TD
which makes 2680 all-purpose yards with 21 total TDs (128 points scored, also had a 2 pt conv)
Ingram had no kick returns and 1 punt return for 0 yards. So he had 1992 APY with 20 total TDs (120 pts)
So you can say Spiller had the better overall stats.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cj-spiller-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mark-ingram-1.html
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Re: Wait a minute
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Dec 10, 2023, 9:07 PM
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Yep, and the Heisman award meaning is the best all around player that did the most to help his team to win games. CJ Spiller done just that with everything that he did to help his team to score enough points to help his team to win. CJ run the ball, caught the ball, run the ball on kick offs, runn the ball on kicks. CJ Spiller was used in everyway possible that could get the ball in his hands bc he was that type of threat!!!
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Re: Wait a minute
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Dec 10, 2023, 10:05 PM
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And, in 2009, CJS also threw 2 passes -- completing one pass for a 17-yard TD.
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Re: Wait a minute
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And in 2009, CJS also threw 2 passes -- he completed one for a 17-yard TD.
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Dec 9, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Spiller, Deshaun Watson, and Trevor Lawrence all good screwed. All should have won the Heisman.
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
Dec 9, 2023, 10:38 PM
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This is why I don't watch the Heisman anymore. I actually quit when Peyton manning got jumped by desmond. But I had high hopes for cj, dw, tl, Watkins, and others.
I assume Spurrier just won't let us in 
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
Dec 9, 2023, 10:38 PM
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This is why I don't watch the Heisman anymore. I actually quit when Peyton manning got jumped by desmond. But I had high hopes for cj, dw, tl, Watkins, and others.
I assume Spurrier just won't let us in
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
Dec 9, 2023, 10:38 PM
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This is why I don't watch the Heisman anymore. I actually quit when Peyton manning got jumped by desmond. But I had high hopes for cj, dw, tl, Watkins, and others.
I assume Spurrier just won't let us in
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
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Spud, they just make up the rules to suit themselves as they go. I’ve lost all respect for the Heisman Trophy. It used to be legit. Now, it’s just a popularity contest with a loaded. ballot box.
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Penix did not win it because he is in the PAC12.
Dec 9, 2023, 11:00 PM
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He is a much better qb than Daniels IMO.
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Re: So, when CJ didn't win it , it was because you couldn't give it to a team that
Dec 9, 2023, 11:11 PM
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No.
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Let er go, Spud.***
Dec 9, 2023, 11:23 PM
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Partner...I'm going through a heckuva real estate deal right now...I'm
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Dec 10, 2023, 7:41 AM
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riled up.....LOL.
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Re: Partner...I'm going through a heckuva real estate deal right now...I'm
Dec 10, 2023, 9:12 PM
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If CJ Spiller wasn't a Heisman player by their rules and definition, then has never been a Heisman type player anywhere in college FB, and that is a FACT!!!
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