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Oculus Spirit [83130]
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Name bands/artists who were great early in their careers but
Oct 14, 2021, 9:24 AM
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became mediocre later:
U2 - Were great through Actung Baby in 1991, very meh after.
REM- great through Green in 1988, meh after.
Rod Stewart- His early work with Faces and solo was amazing through 1975, very meh afterward.
Bruce and the E Street Band - Maybe the best American rock band ever, 1972-78. Average after that.
The Stones - Maybe the best rock band ever through Some Girls in 1978, pretty average after.
Elton John - Amazing stuff through Goodbye Yellow Brick Road in 1973. Embarrassingly bad after.
The Dead - Awesome through Shakedown Street in 1978, pretty average after.
The Band - Maybe an exception somewhat because they broke up so early.
Zeppelin - First 6 albums were all awesome. I can't think of any band that put together so many great consecutive albums. Meh, though, with their last three albums.
The Who - Awesome through 1975. Average starting with Who Are You in 1978.
The Beatles are the huge exception, IMO. Until 1965 they were pretty meh. Starting with Rubber Soul in 1965, they reeled off Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, The White Album, Abbey Road, and Let it Be. It had a lot to do with the times, and how much the country and Great Britain changed, 65-70.
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Probably harder to name bands who killed it through their
Oct 14, 2021, 9:25 AM
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entire career.
Beatles were better at the end.
ABB put out a stellar "final" album.
That's all I got.
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Maybe it's better for a great band to break up early?
Oct 14, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Kind of like a great TV show that just goes on too long and runs out of good writing material? Quit on a high note and maintain legend status.
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Yeah, the last album is almost a completely different band.
Oct 14, 2021, 9:47 AM
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Where it all Begins is a pretty good album too, though. Or at least has a few really good tracks.
"All Night Train" (Gregg Allman, Warren Haynes, Chuck Leavell) – 4:04
"Sailin' 'Cross the Devil's Sea" (Allman, Haynes, Allen Woody, Jack Pearson) – 4:57
"Back Where It All Begins" (Dickey Betts) – 9:12
"Soulshine" (Warren Haynes) – 6:44
"No One to Run With" (Dickey Betts, John Prestia) – 5:59
"Change My Way of Living" (Dickey Betts) – 6:15
"Mean Woman Blues" (Dickey Betts) – 5:01
"Everybody's Got a Mountain to Climb" (Dickey Betts) – 4:01
"What's Done Is Done" (Gregg Allman, Allen Woody) – 4:09
"Temptation Is a Gun" (Gregg Allman, Jonathan Cain, Neal Schon) – 5:37
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Van Halen***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:26 AM
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WRONG***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:47 AM
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Pearl Jam.***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:27 AM
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Buddy says that he can't like Pearl Jam too much since
Oct 14, 2021, 10:15 AM
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every album is half as good as the one before it.
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Right and wrong
Oct 14, 2021, 10:37 AM
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Agree on the lull and resurrection. Disagree totally on sirens. That’s pre-packaged radio crap—-PJ throwing the record company a bone.
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Eh, it's poppy to be sure,
Oct 14, 2021, 10:50 AM
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but lyrically, I think it's strong af. It also came out around the time I lost my mom, so it resonated like nothing else at the time for me in particular.
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Hi, I’m Obed,
Oct 14, 2021, 11:20 AM
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I’ll be your tour guide today as we journey to foot-in-mouth assholeville. Buckle up!
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lolno, that's not where I was going.
Oct 14, 2021, 11:32 AM
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But take somebody like reflux, for example, who was never a PJ fan, but has probably forgotten more about music than I'll ever know--he was pretty impressed with that track when it came out.
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Backstreet boys
Oct 14, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Millennium marked their trend down and destruction. So sad.
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oh and juan for Greenr too
Oct 14, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Korn. Their first 3 CD's were jacking off good but then meh.
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A.D.I.D.A.S***
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The Next Move. Awesome through Whirled Concern,
Oct 14, 2021, 9:33 AM
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well, guess they all just graduated and went and did their own thing after
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I think they turned into Cravin Melon before they graduated
Oct 14, 2021, 9:44 AM
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didn't they?
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which reminds me to add Hootie and the Blowfish***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:44 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Did they ever really change?
Oct 14, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Better, worse..indifferent?
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fair assessment
Oct 14, 2021, 11:44 AM
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I guess it's a huge win for them. Disappear, reunite every year for a handful of shows and count stacks playing the same catalog forever (yes, lots of bands play the same songs forever, Brown Sugar comes to mind)
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I talked to Hans Wenzel some last Sunday
Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM
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And he said they probably won't play together as teh 86ers "for a while" for multiple reasons (band members are busy doing other stuff), but one of them was that they think everyone is tired of hearing the same old songs. He said "how many times can you hear "Ramble On?"
I get it, but it sucks because I know where this goes a lot of time when bands do this. Basically, they are prob done.
RH Tig
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Man I hate to hear that.
Oct 14, 2021, 3:55 PM
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I still never got to see them live with Chris Fulmer on guitar. They had a fill in the night we went with you to Mainland Container.
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Yeah that stinks.
Oct 14, 2021, 4:02 PM
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Fulmer is about 55% of the talent in that band.
Hans said Chris is going to law school, and it takes up a lot of his time.
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Doors, Nirvana, Blind Melon
Oct 14, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Phish falls into this category arguably
Guns n Roses
Metallica
On the flip side, NOFX released a new album that I like better than their old stuff. Fat Mike has a way with words for a crazy punk rocker. There's a song about shootings that they were going to release and then the Vegas thing happened. It's an eerie song that is pretty spot on.
I think a lot of bands are great in the beginning because it's a new sound and they get older and we get older and it's not as ground breaking as it was in the beginning.
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First two didn’t drop off so much as they got
Oct 14, 2021, 9:41 AM
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Too much acclaim for their earlier work.
Blind Melon was fine till Hoon died but yeah, the songwriting went weird as the addiction piled up.
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Re: Name bands/artists who were great early in their careers but
Oct 14, 2021, 9:36 AM
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Agree with much of your list and then these new additions:
-Stone Temple Pilots
-Tim McGraw
-Any good 90s country singer who decided to embrace angry post 9/11 country and then shift to bro country (Yes, I know some of you will say "All country sucks!")
-Eminem
-Allman Brothers for fairly obvious reasons
-Smashing Pumpkins
-I'm gonna throw in Dave Matthews Band. I still think they're great performing, but stuff that followed Crash was fairly meh compared to the previous albums.
Strong agree with you on U2. What a nosedive.
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Hellnaw on Zep. Their studio stuff stayed strong till
Oct 14, 2021, 9:39 AM
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The end. Not counting song remains the same.
Put Black Crowes heavily on this list. Southern Harmony is a masssssterpiece that followed the killer debut album, then plummeted.
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I thought there was a big drop-off starting
Oct 14, 2021, 9:48 AM
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with Presence in 76. In Through the Out Door was bad, imo.
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It’s all relative I guess. I’d have to change my pants if a
Oct 14, 2021, 9:53 AM
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Modern act busted out with a song this big on a “bad” album.
https://youtu.be/afEipftwkn4
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I can't remember the local band that busted out "Hot Dog"
Oct 14, 2021, 9:56 AM
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randomly. I think it moved when I realized what I was listening to.
But yeah..there aren't any "bad" songs on that album. A few that aren't as good as others...but bad? No way.
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Dissing the whole album. Sure it had some
Oct 14, 2021, 10:31 AM
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good songs, but compared to the previous 6, a drop-off.
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You sound necky.***
Oct 14, 2021, 10:32 AM
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Little Feat
Oct 14, 2021, 9:42 AM
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all I got.
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Yea, after Lowell died.***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:46 AM
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Yeah...
Oct 14, 2021, 9:53 AM
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I didn't know if that was coloring outside the lines of your post or not haha
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DJU***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:42 AM
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TE***
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was Dave Jatthews Und ever good?***
Oct 14, 2021, 9:44 AM
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Chumbawamba***
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Dreamclock, Lay Quiet Awhile, Spider Monkey, Uncle Mingo
Oct 14, 2021, 9:47 AM
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STERLING®
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Mingo got BETTER..believe it or not.
Oct 14, 2021, 9:48 AM
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Then they just kinda quit playing anywhere. I saw Bryan at Lowe's a few weeks ago and he looked like he was thinking about playing somewhere.
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Hanson, David Hasselhoff, New Kids, Miley Ray Cyrus,
Oct 14, 2021, 9:48 AM
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I can keep going....list is endless.
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'80s Metallica was killer, and they became unlistenable pop
Oct 14, 2021, 9:49 AM
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when Bob Rock got hold of them in 1991. Now, does that stuff hold up, and do I ever listen to any of those 4 '80s albums now? No, no really. But back then...they crushed it.
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Legit trivia I recently learned on this topic.
Oct 14, 2021, 10:01 AM
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May have already shared because the two artists are so incongruous, but dunno.
Anyway, wanna know why the sound changed? Hetfield heard the Chris Isaak song “wicked game” and decided he wanted to be more of a singer and less of a shouter. That begat the Black album and the rest is history.
Shidyounot…Chris Isaak.
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I always heard it was Bob Rock trying to turn them into a
Oct 14, 2021, 10:21 AM
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radio-friendly 3 1/2 minute hit factory. The black album (that he produced) was also precisely the point at which they ironically shifted from all black jeans/tshirts to glam fashion designer garbage. The Chris Isaak thing...never heard that, mebbe that was why Hetfield picked up the phone and called Bob Rock.
Lifted this from a quick google search:
Metallica began its career by making four records—Kill ‘Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and …And Justice for All—that are the foundation upon which thrash metal was chaotically wrought. Much like the Beatles, Metallica showed up to the party, changed music forever, then suddenly left without so much as a goodbye. Not by imploding like the Beatles did, but by making the conscious decision to actively and enthusiastically sell out and make populist, semi-generic hard rock albums that sold like hotcakes.
And because of this, their fans really, really fucking hate them.
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Great article.
Oct 14, 2021, 11:40 AM
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And I forgot about that Lou Reed thing.
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I remember when they stole Bob Segers "turn the page"
Oct 14, 2021, 10:09 AM
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right after they testified to congress about people stealing their music on Napster.
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i think that turned off everyone who wasn't a die hard fan
Oct 14, 2021, 12:27 PM
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I don't even know where to find Phish playing Gin and Juice anymore
#RIPNapster
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Basically, from 1991 =====>
Oct 14, 2021, 10:28 AM
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Don't believe it? Listen to Kill'em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, and Justice.
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Re: '80s Metallica was killer, and they became unlistenable pop
Oct 14, 2021, 10:35 AM
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Had a neighbor at Clemson who must have played Blackened 10,000 times a week. Not that I minded. I just replied with Battery.
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I hope he learned that you CANNOT STOP THE BATTERY.
Oct 14, 2021, 10:40 AM
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BA. TUH. RAY.
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Your list makes it seem like a LOT of great bands...
Oct 14, 2021, 10:08 AM
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burst out of the late 60's and early 70's but suggest it's impossible to carry that for even a full decade. Look how many of your picks died in 1978 in your estimation. Wait, did anything weird happen to you in 1978?
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Hmm, moved off campus in 77, Charley Pell
Oct 14, 2021, 10:25 AM
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turned program around in 77, went 11-1 in 78, beat Woody in Gator Bowl.
Maybe, just hanging more with long-haired hippie types who lived off campus.
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All of them.
Oct 14, 2021, 10:13 AM
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Unless they died in their prime.
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Milli Vanilli kinda fizzled out***
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The Soul Tradition
Oct 14, 2021, 10:15 AM
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Amazingly Awesome in 1971/1972
Not much after that
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Smash Mouth***
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lol, your lists suck***
Oct 14, 2021, 10:37 AM
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^^Likes EJ Philly Freedom^^***
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Just reading the title of the song makes me want to puke.
Oct 14, 2021, 12:32 PM
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Can we put that on the list of songs to never ever play again?
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I think the last guy who finished with a bang
Oct 14, 2021, 11:48 AM
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was Beethoven.
Seriously, who hasn't 'petered' out?
Bowie? Prince? there are not many on that list.
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Chris Cornell
Oct 14, 2021, 3:51 PM
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He started to get awesome, then was killed by the government*
*$1 to Qanon believers
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dang you are picky***
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everybody ever except Johnny Cash
Oct 14, 2021, 1:28 PM
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and pre-emptive deaded ones like Hendrix, Cornell, Bon Scott, Sex Pistols.
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All-TigerNet [11209]
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Personally, I'd add Linkin Park
Oct 14, 2021, 1:41 PM
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Yeah, yeah, not everyone's cup o' tea, but Hybrid Theory and Meteora were awesome. Minutes to Midnight was meh. After that long hold out due to their contract fight, I expected more. Then Chester Bennington died and they fell off the face of the music scene.
Mike Shinoda has continued to do some good collaboration work, tho.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Do you associate a departed loved one with any of these
Oct 14, 2021, 5:06 PM
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Albums? Need to know before I reply—-I’m not making the same mistake twice in one day.
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Oculus Spirit [75725]
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fleetwood mac before stevie nicks***
Oct 18, 2021, 9:46 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83130]
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Look up.***
Oct 18, 2021, 10:39 AM
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