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Re: Vaccinated woman dies
Sep 17, 2021, 8:40 AM
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Yes the vaccinated can get Covid and Yes the vaccinated can spread Covid.
However, the opportunity that they can spread Covid is significantly lower than someone who is unvaccinated, typically declining precipitously after day 6 of infection ... whereas an the same drop occurs around Day 10 for an unvaccinated individual.
So unvaccinated individuals have roughly 2x the opportunity to spread Covid. Plus a vaccinated individual has, at minimum a 53% of not even catching Covid in the first place due to protection from the vaccine.
So a vaccinated person
1) has half the chance of even catching Covid 2) has half the chance of even spreading Covid if infected
Did this woman catch it from a vaccinated person? I don't know. But if everyone was vaccinated would she have caught it? The stats say her chance of catching Covid would have been significantly less.
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people have been successfully programmed
Sep 17, 2021, 8:42 AM
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and their cognitive dissonance is amazing.
The vax is a fraud. The vaxxed are having the most problems with viruses.
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To really lend credibility to your views please fill out a
Sep 17, 2021, 8:47 AM
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DNR so that you can die at home. No need to take hospital space from others.
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I've already had "covid". A week of feeling kinda tired.
Sep 17, 2021, 8:54 AM
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So I have superior immunity to anyone vaxxed. I won't be taking up any hospital space because of covid. Of course, if I get hit by a bus or something I'm sure they will label me covid to get the extra cash.
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You're so full of crap I can smell you from here***
Sep 17, 2021, 8:56 AM
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actual science
Sep 17, 2021, 9:52 AM
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.
Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.
Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant ( P <0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
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This study was approved by the MHS (Maccabi Healthcare Services) Institutional Review Board (IRB). Due to the retrospective design of the study, informed consent was waived by the IRB, and all identifying details of the participants were removed before computational analysis.
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I'm not questioning that one has a level...
Sep 17, 2021, 10:16 AM
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of immunity after having COVID, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
CTom is full of crap for any number of reasons, not the least of which is "not believing in COVID".
"I felt tired one week, so I probably had "COVID"" and that kind of BS.
He is a constant spreader of lies and misinformation on here.
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So melodramatic. So much bs.***
Sep 17, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Re: So melodramatic. So much bs.***
Sep 17, 2021, 9:29 AM
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Quote: "So I have superior immunity to anyone vaxxed."
I'm the drama queen? Lol
I'm glad you pulled through but maybe your neighbour won't. Or your parents, or your friends, or your siblings, children, etc.
You're like the famous story of WWII air engineers who analyzed planes coming back on the bullet patterns. They initially wanted to cover the areas with bullet holes for more protection rather than realise planes weren't coming back with holes in the other places.
It's your cognitive dissonance which is troubling. It's you sticking your head in the sand and saying i survived this go around, so I'm gonna patch the areas where the holes were. And ignoring the likely unseen damage your lungs and other internal organs received thus leaving them more exposed for the next infection. And instead of providing yourself the best chance of survival you're just gonna put your head in the sand and cross your fingers you get shot in the right area again.
So good luck to you. I hope you survive Lambda, Mu, Omega, etc.
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Re: Vaccinated woman dies
Sep 17, 2021, 8:48 AM
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OP=Clueless
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Re: Vaccinated woman dies
Sep 17, 2021, 9:21 AM
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I understand the family being upset, but they have no basis to claim this woman developed COVID from being exposed to an unvaccinated person. It's certainly possible and in MS maybe even probable.
How many others did this woman and her husband likewise infect before they manifested symptoms? I again understand the family's grief, but this message of shaming the unvaxxed and further accentuating that one can still die even if vaxxed is unlikely to promote a run on the vaccine clinic.
That being said I do encourage anyone still actually weighing whether to take the jab or not, to do so.
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I don't think you understand how all of this works.
Sep 17, 2021, 1:07 PM
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1. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces one's chances of getting COVID. 2. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces one's risk of spreading COVID. 3. Therefore, if more people are vaccinated, that results in a sizable reduction in the chances that people will get COVID or transmit COVID.
We obviously can't guarantee that this woman still wouldn't have gotten COVID or died from COVID if more people were vaccinated, but research plus some simple math shows us that her chances would've been much lower.
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Fauci even said it doesnt reduce spreading significantly
Sep 17, 2021, 1:54 PM
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but he's contradicted himself a million times already over the course of the past 2 yrs, you never know what he says anymore
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