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Truth about today
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A lot of people’s complaints were answered today, but since the outcome of the game wasn’t exactly what we hoped, no one wants to accept it.
First is the portal. Since this was basically dubbed the “Portal Game” everyone assumed it would answer the question on if Dabo has been making a mistake. I’ll admit that I’ve been really critical about lack of portal usage but at the end of the day, that didn’t make a difference in the game.
Clemson played good enough football to win that game and as was the case in the Duke game, they couldn’t get out of their own way. You can count on one hand the things that directly switched the game in FSUs favor.
The blown Holding call on XT before the half. The playcalling to end the 1H. The fumble returned for 6. The fake reverse pass and the misdef FG.
What we wanted to see out of Clemson we saw today.
1) the defense held one of the more prolific offenses on the country to 17 regulation points.
2) the offense was light years better than it has been all season.
3) the playcalling, aside from a few gaffs, was the best it’s been all year. Clemson attacked the middle of the field & got the TE involved, like fans have been begging them to do.
4) Cade played like a seasoned QB. He stood in the pocket and delivered timely passes all game. Didn’t get shook by pressure and set in the pocket, worked thru leads and was clean with the football.
5) the WRs made plays. Whether it was timely catches, a couple of shots down the field (15-20 yd range), making a play after the catch, they all flashed today. Randall had a big drop on a back shoulder throw and came back with a circus catch and some hard RAC yards. Beaux caught huge timely 3rd down balls when Cade needed to get it out. Stellato flashed hard, finally looking like the WR coaches raved about before injury. Brown is a stud. Not having him on the field is a disservice to the offense at this point. He’s going to be a star in this offense for years to come. Not to mention the fact that our best WR was out injured.
6) the OL was pretty lights out all game. Cade had plenty of time to throw the football. Running lanes were tough to come by but as that game progresse, they started to reestablish the LOS. The sack fumble was a missed RB assignment and not on them.
7) the DB play was great. Outside of a few plays, which is expected to happen with high level WRs, the DBs played extremely well today.
All of that to say, this team took a stride today IMO.
They’re not a championship football team right now. It’s okay to admit that. But the future does look bright, at least from the offensive side of the ball.
I think this can still be a really solid year for this team. Just enjoy the season. Enjoy getting to watch Clemson football and see where things go.
The sky is certainly not falling though. Atleast IMO. I feel more confident about the direction after this loss, than I did after the loss to Duke.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 5:04 PM
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We scored 7 pts in the second half FS had 17 pts total second half into OT yards don’t mean a thing of you don’t get points
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Re: Truth about today
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They were driving when the stop fumble happened. Certainly looking like they were going to get 7. And a missed FG. That’s 10 points right there they left on the field.
Admittedly like you said, it doesn’t matter if you don’t get points, but let’s not act as if the offense wasn’t effective in the 2nd half.
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Re: Truth about today
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They were driving when the stop fumble happened. Certainly looking like they were going to get 7. And a missed FG. That’s 10 points right there they left on the field.
Admittedly like you said, it doesn’t matter if you don’t get points, but let’s not act as if the offense wasn’t effective in the 2nd half.
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Thx ClemDad803 for your astute game assessment
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which was fair and said it all..our boys competed and will be fun to watch moving forward this season, and next.
Dabo will make more changes coach & portal-wise after what he saw today.
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Sorry ol man. No coaching or portal changes AT ALL.
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:03 PM
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And that’s NOT why we lost this game.
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Re: Sorry ol man. No coaching or portal changes AT ALL.
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Sep 24, 2023, 2:21 PM
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Shut it you 🤡
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Re: Truth about today
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The offense was effective in turning the ball over in pivotal moments just like we have been all season. But OP is the enlightened one because he thinks it is acceptable to lose to FSU in the way we did.
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Re: Truth about today
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I do think it is a somewhat encouraging sign that we can move the ball against just about anyone but also doesn’t matter much if we don’t learn to hold onto the ball. Hopefully that will come with experience.
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LOFL... please tell me you didn't say this...
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The game was a 2-possession game for all of 6 minutes - 6 minutes. What then were the non-pivotal moments of the game?
Could not have been many - I don't know, maybe 6 minutes worth only.
And for the record for people who obviously don't deal in facts: Clemson was driving to make it a 2-possession game
when the ONLY fumble happened. Hardly "turning the ball over in pivotal moments".
You need to get your head checked - your assessment of what really happened comes from Alice in Wonderland.
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Re: Truth about today
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Ignorance is not to be confused with intelligence .. this post is ignorance.
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We only had 10 real possessions too bc of the pace...
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...minus the two to end each half that left us no time to do anything.
Possible 14pt swing on the scoop and score, and the missed FG. That would've been 34pts on 10 possessions. Really not too bad against a good team.
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3 signs of a well-coached team
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1. They have low numbers of penalties
2. They play better in the 2nd half of games
3. They play better in the 2nd half of the season
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So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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Lol keep dreaming. The portal played a huge part. We win by 2-3 TDs if they didn't hit the portal.
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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That’s not my point. Outside of Kicker, you can’t really point to a spot today and say “if dabo had gotten a portal player for that, it would have changed the game.”
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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Disagree a top flight wide receiver and another top flight 0L would have fit in nicely…and NEEDED
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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Name the tip flight wide receiver or offensive lineman we should have gotten in he portal.
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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Hahahaha name the player??? Literally the guy that caught the game winning TD for FSU was a portal player. Name the player? Keon Coleman. Literally just one of the 17 that helped fsu win the game. But I will agree, the horrible coaching was the bigger issue yesterday. Now that it can’t be masked by generational or nfl talent, our poor coaching is shining bright.
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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He had 5 catches for 86 yards. That would not improve our offense.
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
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No? Would’ve led all of our receivers in the game.
SMDH
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Our home grown players made those mistakes.
Sep 24, 2023, 10:08 PM
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Perhaps some portal players wouldn’t have.
I bet you hadn’t thought of that, had you?
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Re: So even without the portal, FSU could have beat us today?
Sep 24, 2023, 10:03 PM
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and in your esteemed expertise, please inform the fan base who you would have brought in, who's scholarship would you cut, and why do you think they are better than what we already have?
and on the shady side: what you would pay that person to come to Clemson (the pre-signing NIL guarantees) that exist ...
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We wouldnt have had to cut any scholarships.
Sep 24, 2023, 10:10 PM
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We have lost numerous players to the transfer portal or who decided to retire from football. Instead of using all of those scholarships on high school recruits, we should consider using some on portal players.
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Re: Thats complete bullcrap. The portal had NOTHING to do with why we lost.
Sep 24, 2023, 10:05 PM
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execution across the board, not just those plays but every play, every player needs to know their job and do their job until the whistle blows.
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Heres what youre missing - FSUs 2-deep is made up of primarily portal players
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Sep 24, 2023, 2:42 PM
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So for nearly every play they make, a portal make is mentioned.. because they’re all over the field.
That doesn’t mean you can build elite teams via the portal. FSU plays well because they have a VETERAN QB who is knows the system and is cool under pressure.
We were up 24-17, driving to take a two score lead. Even after that disaster we had a chance with a little over a minute to win the game. Note that FSU did NOT get in FG range on their final possession.
Point is, we take that two score lead in the 2nd half and avoid a potential 14 point turnaround, then the complexion of the game changes DRAMATICALLY!
Once again we had the edge in basically every vital statistical except of course the main one. Point here is CLEMSON IS BEATING CLEMSON.
USuC yes
UT yes
Duke yes
FSU yes
Point here is we’re shootout ourselves in the foot for each of our most recent losses.
It’s not like we got whipped by a bunch of portal kids and we didn’t lose because of the portal. We post because we the game away.
This is isn’t sour grapes in anyway. Simply stating the facts of these losses - if not for the mistakes we made then we could have very well or even likely won those games. All of ‘em.
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The loss had nothing to do with the portal.
Sep 24, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Just like our last 3 losses.
Clemson is beating Clemson, period. Portal players aren’t forcing our errors, and portal kids aren’t blowing us out of the water. It’s been primarily our mistakes for all 4 losses since USuC.
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Re: Truth about today
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Excellent post; great take👍
Smudge Smeller, btfo 😊
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Re: Truth about today
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Great analysis. This was a great game. We will get there. Going to be fun.
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Re: Truth about today
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Correct….ebb and flow.
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Re: Truth about today
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This L hurts… but we made lots of strides. Like many have said we correct one of three things in this game and we win. Correct all three and we win by 17. I’m just as frustrated as anyone but the OP is correct all questions have been answered outside of kicker. But competition in the kicking room can only help. Just win the games in front and hope for a few key teams to lose especially Duke or FSU and finish with a good season still.
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Re: Truth about today
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Exactly 👍
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I wish I could give you two TUs
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Spot on with all points. Our team was different today than they’ve been all season. Really great to see Cade making plays. One thing I still think is lacking is push up front on running plays. We got stuffed way more than we should, but we are on the right track.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 5:20 PM
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Sure would have been nice to get a kicker in the portal.
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You could point out good things every game if you..
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look.
But the game is about winning or losing. You know, the thing that they call results.
We are 0-2 in our first two ACC games, one a blow-out.
We are 2-5 in our last 7 games.
We are paying our coach 11 million dollars a year.
You don't see this kind of collapse with any "elite" program.
FSU has passed us, let that sink in.
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FSU hasnt passed us until they can prove they can last
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long term. They will have to reload again after this year and IMO, we are building toward next year. We do have issues, but let’s pump the brakes on FSUpassing anyone after 1 win in last 8 games against us. Can they string some together??
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I hope you're right...
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I honestly do, but do not see this staff taking us back to the playoffs.
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Re: I hope you're right...
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You are WAYYYYYYY overreacting. You are analyzing this emotionally not logically.
Not only that, your emotional analysis is just pulling crap out of the air, throwing it against the wall to see what sticks, and then thinking this crap that stuck to the wall will magically fix things.
I get it is frustrating, but if we did the stuff you ate suggesting, we would be 2-10 every year.
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Yep he is. He seems like one of those dudes who has no clue about the game.
Sep 23, 2023, 6:14 PM
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His strength is ignorant whiny behavior. Typical of him.
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Re: You could point out good things every game if you..
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Again, this portal dream tram had 5 catches for 94 yards and 5 catches for 86 yards. That was not the difference in the game.
We lost because of a turnover (again) and a missed field goal.
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Re: Truth about today
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Portal did not beat Clemson today! We were the better team the whole game. We lost because of a turnover that was a 2 touchdown swing.
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How many times are we going to use that excuse?
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Duke and now FSU, it's getting old. Results speak for themselves.
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Re: How many times are we going to use that excuse?
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It's not the excuse. It's the reality. You keep harping on those portal receivers, and neither one had 100 yards.
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24% of FSUs team are from the portal not just WRs
Sep 24, 2023, 7:34 AM
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DUH
DERP
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Re: 24% of FSUs team are from the portal not just WRs
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Wide receiver is the area that's the issue.
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Re: 24% of FSUs team are from the portal not just WRs
Sep 24, 2023, 11:51 PM
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The issue is THE OTHER TEAMS ADVANTAGE.
When the other team uses something to their advantage and you don’t, you are at a disadvantage.
Man, you are sharp
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Re: Truth about today
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Logan’s heroes is correct! We were at the game and we played great yesterday. That 2 TD swing killed us 😳
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Re: Truth about today
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We beat FSU 7 years in a row. They added more portal talent quickly, almost 1/4 of their team is transfers. And then they beat us.
So, I disagree with you when you say it didn't make a difference. It actually did for FSU...
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Re: Truth about today
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How many yards did either of their portal receivers have?
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Both had more yds than any of our non-portal wr.***
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Re: Both had more yds than any of our non-portal wr.***
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Explain to me how having to guys with less than 100 yards receiving and 3 points in the second half is evidence portal players cost us this game.
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Re: Truth about today
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More than the 0 our portal receivers had.
Oh wait, more than our receivers period.
Oh wait, FSU has 17 players from the portal. Maybe it’s not just the receivers that helped them win?
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 7:58 AM
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What helped them win was a fumble return and a missed field goal.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:55 AM
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I'm so sick of this two plays cost us the game. You are completely ignoring everything else that happened in the game. If fsus receiver didn't transfer in he doesn't catch the game winning td. There's another play. Every single play in a game has would've could've should've in them. You are ignoring why we fumbled. Why we missed a field goal. Why we have been turnover prone so far. Fsu is trending up and we are trending down and alot of clemson fans seem very content with we kept it close.
Most who are upset aren't focused on this game its the last three and a half years of seeing things trending in the direction we are now at a .500 team. Its not this one game its a failure to address obvious issues surrounding the program. Pretending the portal is a one way direction. Pretending replacing talented coaches with zero experience is equal. Pretending a qb and oc are fine for a year when its obvious they are not. Pretending you hired an oc only to have him run the same offense. There are issues. If we are good being a 8 to 9 win team again ok. But that'd not what Dabo built this program to be
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 12:06 PM
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If Wiggins doesn't get hurt he might not have caught it.
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 11:53 PM
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Yeah, and nothing else. I get it. They could’ve stayed home and won because of that alone
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 5:52 PM
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Honestly, without MAJOR changes, the future looks like the Bowden years.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 7:39 AM
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You look like the Bowden years👍😁
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:00 PM
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Didn’t make a difference in the game?? If not for their portal acquisitions in the last two years we would have won by 3 touchdowns.
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Exactly. It is a bold faced lie to act like the portal didnt win this game for FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 7:50 AM
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Just at receiver alone they added almost all of their production from the portal.
Not to mention the game winning touchdown was literally caught by a portal receiver.
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Yes. And if our NON PORTATL DB had not have gotten hurt on
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:46 AM
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the last play in regulation, the Portal WR might not have made that catch. I hate to say it, but over the past couple of years, Dabo has had the Brownell syndrome as far as injuries. We get one player back and lose two...And we don't just lose regular players, we seem to lose our BEST players...
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The portal had NOTHING to do with a fumble 6 and missed kick.
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:01 PM
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Otherwise we win.
The portal didn’t win this game. The last 4 losses have been on Clemson, not superior teams.
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Re: The portal had NOTHING to do with a fumble 6 and missed kick.
Sep 24, 2023, 7:41 AM
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It’s not that close in the first place if we use it to level that from being a 1-way advantage against those we play.
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Re: The portal had NOTHING to do with a fumble 6 and missed kick.
Sep 24, 2023, 8:02 AM
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It was close last year. Name specific players that we should have gotten in the portal.
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Re: The portal had NOTHING to do with a fumble 6 and missed kick.
Sep 25, 2023, 12:04 AM
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IF IT HELPS OUR OPPONENT, IT HURTS US.
We have weaknesses that could’ve been shored up. Period
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Someone with some Common sense!
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Seriously refreshing. Some posters don't deserve to be fans, some are trolls and some are just dipchits, bottomline!
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Man I totally agree. Well said.
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Orange Blooded [2849]
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Solid post
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:07 PM
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Effort was tremendous. Critical errors doomed the Tigers. And please rip the sideways pass pass out of the playbook.
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Re: Solid post
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:09 PM
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Quick slants would be better. Our first down playcalling continues to put us in 3rd and long situations.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:41 PM
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Clemson's trajectory is down, there needs to be serious changes on the coaching staff next season. Dabo needs to be honest with himself. This team isn't very good and they better start worrying about hanging on to the top recruits.
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Coots can dream
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:34 AM
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But dreaming is never gonna make it so.
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 10:10 PM
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your an optimist I see... you should probably just quit watching Clemson while you are ahead...
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 23, 2023, 6:43 PM
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The sky has fallen. Why is everyone trying to sugarcoat this loss? We were UNRANKED going into this game. We had an opportunity with a new OC, a new QB, and as an underdog to prove in our home stadium that we are still an elite program. What did we do? We f-ing pooped in our pants. We couldn’t run the ball down their throats on 3rd and 1- we had to waste timeouts or get cute.
This was some of the worst TO/clock management I’ve ever seen. We settled to put the outcome of the game into the “foot” of a kicker who Dabo didn’t even know was eligible- his KIDS told him to bring him back.
I love Clemson football- I’m a graduate and I’ll be a fan forever- but the Dabo era is OVER. You can call me a coot all you want. I’m sorry this bothers me. We’re back to Tommy Bowden football.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 7:40 AM
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LOL, OK 🙄
"It was real in my mind!" 👈 literally you
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One of my delights was Cade's ability to hit a receiver...
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Sep 24, 2023, 7:42 AM
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crossing the field in stride. This is the first game in over two years we've seen that. That is why our TE have been so under used.
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 7:52 AM
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I didn't see #6..Cade got hit many times and we could not run up the middle..the goal line offense was terrible.
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 7:53 AM
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💯 👍🏿🎂
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Re: Truth about today - ALL IN - GO TIGERS - GO DABO
Sep 24, 2023, 7:57 AM
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NAYSAYERS BE GONE
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Missed opportunities showing our inexperience on the field and with the staff.
I still believe in both. Going to have some growing pains but it will come together.
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 12:31 PM
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When the team needed someone to take over and WIN the game.... he didn’t show up!
A short field goal wins this game and we ALL go away very pleased.It didn’t happen.
THE TRUTH HURTS
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Re: Truth about today
Sep 24, 2023, 2:43 PM
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Could not have said it better. I thought Cade played his best game as a Tiger, threw the ball knowing he's about to get smashed more than once. What I found uncharacteristic of Dabo teams was the mental mistakes. Still some huge games to play. Stadium was great until the last play...
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Re: Truth about today
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:29 PM
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DO YOU BELIEVE!!!!!!
Love these KIDS wearing THE PAW!!
Every one else gets to feel the heat and weight of PERFECT we get to JUST PLAY BALL!!
GOOOOO TIGERS!!!!
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Stupidity
Sep 24, 2023, 11:37 PM
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Stupidity is making the comment that the portal didn’t make a diff.
24% of FSUs roster is from the portal. Yeah, it made a diff you ####### #########.
Without that help, no way they even come close in this game.
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