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I got this.
Oct 19, 2012, 2:16 PM
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Why did Barry send out cronies to tell a lie for 14 days after the Libya attack?
Because they thought that was what happened. If it were a cover-up it would be the lamest attempt at a cover-up in history.
Why didn't he get a budget passed when he controlled both houses? He didn't even get A SINGLE vote.
The federal budget doesn’t get enacted the way other laws do. The process starts with the president submitting his budget request to Congress early in the year. That voluminous document is partly a presidential wish list, but it also gives Congress a framework.
"The ‘PresBud,’ as it is called, forms the basis of the fiscal year budget that starts the following October," according to this post from the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
In Congress, the House and Senate have budget committees tasked with creating concurrent budget resolutions, using the president’s budget as a guide. As Taxpayers for Common Sense wrote, "The legislation they draft is for Congressional use only: it doesn't go to the President, it isn't law, it just helps Congress keep its budgetary ducks in a row."
The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.
In Obama’s case, he has submitted his budget request each year he has been in office.
Why did he bring immigration reform when he controlled both houses? He didn't even put forth a proposal.
Wait, why did he or why didn't he?
Why did he continue to go on late night programs, and the View, even after our ambassador was killed?
I guess because he was running for president. Should he have been looking for the killers himself or something? Allegation does not compute.
Why does he refuse to take questions on Libya right now?
When did this happen?
Why doesn't me meet with BB when he was here concerning Iran?
Because we're not Israel's #####. And quit calling him BB like you guys are boys.
Why have we had 43 months of unemployment over 8%?
Because in 2008 we experienced the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
Why have the number of people on food stamps increased by almost 15 million?
Because in 2008 we experienced the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
Why has this been the worst "recovery" since the 1930's?
Because in 2008 we experienced the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
Do any of these questions bother you?
No. They're not great questions, but they don't bother me either.
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Here's what I got from that....
Oct 19, 2012, 2:26 PM
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Why did they lie on Libya?
I have no answer. It is SWORN TESTIMONY that the intelligence community labeled this an act of terror, NOT A SPONTANEOUS EVENT. The President gets a daily briefing, and this would have been at the top of it EACH DAY. They lied, so I have no answer.
Why didn't he get a budget passed?
I don't know how a democratic president with a democratic congress can submit a budget and not get a SINGLE VOTE... so I'm just gonna ramble here.
Why have we had 43 month over 8% unemployment?
Bush's fault
Why have the number of people on food stamps increased by almost 15 million?
Bush's fault
Why has this been the worst "recovery" since the 1930's?
Bush's fault
BTW... when was the last White House briefing? And yes, the President is no longer taking reporters questions on Libya.
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Two things.
Oct 19, 2012, 2:41 PM
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#1. The whole Libya "cover-up" claim is the Republican equivalent of "Bush knew there were no WMD." It strains credibility to believe the president would tell such a massive lie he knew he'd never get away with.
#2. The recession wasn't Bush's fault and that's not remotely what I implied. Is it really confusing to you that social safety nets would get the most use during times of economic turmoil?
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Two things indeed....
Oct 19, 2012, 2:47 PM
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1. That doesn't make sense. Bush's daily intelligence briefing told him there were WMD in Iraq. He said that, and went after them. Right or wrong, that's what happened.
Their has been sworn testimony that the intelligence community never once believed a video caused the incident in Libya. It is a fact that for 14 days they blamed it on a video. They didn't say "we don't know"... THEY BLAMED THE VIDEO. Are you suggesting his daily intel reports said "caused by video"? Are you suggesting they didn't say "terrorist attack"?
2. What is so hard about Obama's record. It's a fact that he said unemployment would be at a certain place. It's a fact that food stamps have increased dramatically. It is a fact that jobless claims continue to go up AFTER 4 YEARS. I'm not hoping those things are true.... they are.
That means what he's doing ISN'T WORKING. There is not other way to spin that.
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I don't know why I'm even....
Oct 19, 2012, 3:03 PM
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Their has been sworn testimony that the intelligence community never once believed a video caused the incident in Libya.
The report from the station chief was written late Wednesday, Sept. 12, and reached intelligence agencies in Washington the next day, intelligence officials said.
Yet, on Saturday of that week, briefing points sent by the CIA to Congress said "demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault."
The briefing points, obtained by the AP, added: "There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations" but did not mention eyewitness accounts that blamed militants alone.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_21810333/cia-station-chief-libya-linked-benghazi-attack-militants
And 2. I find it highly amusing that you scoff at the notion of somebody blaming Bush for the Great Recession and then complain that Obama hasn't fixed it.
But look, Romney will probably get elected and I'm sure this country will turn right the #### around in 2013. MARK MY WORDS!!
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Neither do I
Oct 19, 2012, 3:10 PM
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121019/DA20G2701.html
"The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press."
The issue is not the recession or Bush. The issue is Obama's record. You tell me what is better now than when he took over?
Jobs?
Wages?
Entitlement spending?
Food Stamps?
Debt?
Deficit?
Surely after four years something should be better if he were doing his job? Right?
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On #2:
Oct 19, 2012, 3:08 PM
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He projected (with many caveats) that unemployment would be under 8%. He never promised. What you seem not to understand is that an Economy is not easily swayed by a President. He passed the stimulus (which worked) and that pulled us out of the negative recession. The economy WAS recovering up until about mid-2010 when the Government quit working together for partisan ########. Check this graph of the growth of GDP:
Notice when the dip happens, right after Congress stops working. The credit rating dip, the unrest in the world's economies, a drought in the midwest hurting farm production, etc all plays a major part in the economy.
Instead of just labeling everything Obama's fault, how about being specific instead of claiming obvious outcomes of a slowing economy as proof Obama is failing. Tell me what Obama is doing wrong and how Romney will do it differently.
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"Tell me what Obama is doing wrong"
Oct 19, 2012, 3:14 PM
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Are you serious?
Is there anyone else left for you guys to blame? Explain to me how a democratic President can send a budget proposal to a Congress that is controlled on both sides by democrats... AND NOT GET ONE SINGLE VOTE...
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Jobless #'s keep going up after four years. You can blame Congress, and that's fine. There is alot of truth in that. But the fact of the matter is he is the President of the United States, and he controlled both houses for a good portion of time.
AND NOTHING HE DOES IS WORKING
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Jobless #s are bad because the growth isn't improving...
Oct 19, 2012, 3:19 PM
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why isn't the growth still improving? For all the reasons I put forth in my last reply.
Please show me what Obama is doing that is causing the problem (budget isn't one, btw).
And on the subject of Jobs: We are moving in the right direction long-term. How do I know? Romney is saying he'll grow the exact same amount of jobs as is being projected by the CBO.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-new-math-for-jobs-plan-doesnt-add-up/2012/10/15/fd1d1e1c-170f-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html
Check that graph I posted and look at how well the economy was doing after the stimulus, and then look what happens after Congress becomes a partisan ########. It's not difficult to understand there seems to be a correlation there.
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Not ignoring anything...
Oct 19, 2012, 3:43 PM
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but I don't understand "we were recovering, then something happened and it stopped... but the Pres is immune from this"
Simply put, the statistics DO NOT point out any type of recovery under Obama. To say otherwise is to mislead.
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We are still recovering, but the growth has slowed.
Oct 19, 2012, 4:02 PM
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The president isn't immune. He's going to be blamed/praised for the economy he presides over no matter his role in the actual mechanisms. Right now, he is part of a government that is broken. The fact that the Government is broken seems to be one of the major contributors to why the economy has slowed it's growth. (The others being drought in the midwest, political/economic upheaval in Europe and the lowering of our credit rating (which was due to a broken government).)
That position takes FULL blame away from the President, true. But not ALL blame. He is a cog in the machine, nothing more. If you have a different view that shows how it's all Obama's fault or how Romney will be any different, please share it.
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I agree with everything you say...
Oct 19, 2012, 4:11 PM
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Don't confuse what I'm saying... Congress absolutely has blame. However, all my points are in reference to a presidential election, where, IMO, the incumbent hasn't done anything to deserve 4 more years. That is based on the issues discussed.
I think Romney has a very proven track record... much more so than Obama 4 years ago, and especially more so now.
I don't know where we'll be in 4 years under Romney... but it's hard to imagine it would be worse than now.
and btw... The Lybia deal makes my blood boil. Call me a conspiracy nut if you want, but all indications are this administration flat out lied.
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Re: Not ignoring anything...
Oct 19, 2012, 4:11 PM
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How can you say the statistics don't show recovery? Look at the graph again.
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Here, look.
Oct 19, 2012, 4:12 PM
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Re: Here, look.
Oct 19, 2012, 4:13 PM
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maybe if you put a big 12 logo on it he will take more interest. 
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I'm not sure you know as much as you think you do***
Oct 19, 2012, 5:44 PM
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So you think Clemson to the big 12?? You did have secret
Oct 19, 2012, 6:20 PM
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sources right???
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Re: So you think Clemson to the big 12?? You did have secret
Oct 19, 2012, 7:29 PM
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well, that, and the BOD voted Joey Batson out of the FB program, expect it to happen this summer.
I am feeling better and better about Obama by the minute.
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Re: So you think Clemson to the big 12?? You did have secret
Oct 19, 2012, 8:03 PM
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So you feel better about a huge growing deficit which will be almost impossible to payback not by you, but your children and grandchildren? Not to mention allowing our enemies to completely regroup for their next catastrophic attack on our homeland. You feel good that our country is changing from a free enterprise economy to a huge socialist government that controls more and more of your everyday life; including your healthcare?
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Re: So you think Clemson to the big 12?? You did have secret
Oct 19, 2012, 8:09 PM
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I will feel better once the Bush Tax cuts are finally of John Boehnors desk and being acted on in congress, unfortunately we will have to go over the cliff in January to get them.
But hey, vote for mitt, he is going to lump another 5 trillion in cuts into the fold along with an additional 2 trillion in defense,
He says the numbers add up, and we should just take his word for it.
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