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this sums up my love/hate relationship w/ the GOP...
Jun 14, 2012, 6:44 PM
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we're always being told...
Jun 14, 2012, 7:06 PM
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that the religious right represents some kind of benighted past, while also being told (by the likes of those who would use that Goldwater quote) that the "involvement of religion in politics" is some new phenomenon. The truth, I think, is somewhere in the middle.
As the nation's cultural center was torn apart by social movements in the 60s, the old Protestant consensus was also dissolved. Religion had always been an implicit back to the country's social policy, but as that social policy became more problematic, the role of religion in underpinning traditional values became more obvious and prominent. But the very fact that religious groups feel they must defend society through politics indicates religion's change in status, since the sentiment among those on the religious right is that they are fighting a necessary and defensive war against secularisation.
That's the situation Goldwater, whose candidacy was the worst failure in modern Republican history, was commenting on (his more liberaltarian views came out when his influence had waned; or, perhaps, his influence waned as the extent of his libertarianism became better known). For Goldwater to treat Christian involvement in politics as some kind of take over of a political party is, then, both a misreading of the ambitions of the religious right and outside a mainstream of politics that stood long before anyone knew the name Barry Goldwater.
As someone who wants to advance conservative causes, I'm grateful to Goldwater for stepping forward as a conservative when being conservative wasn't all that popular. However, that doesn't mean Goldwater was a particularly wise national politician, or that he was particularly insightful when it came to political ideas.
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i don't know about all that. but i do think that the
Jun 14, 2012, 7:38 PM
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religious folks are pretty vocal about a lot of things tht most people don't agree with anymore and therfore make it harder and harder to openly proclaim yourself a republican.
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like what?
Jun 14, 2012, 8:12 PM
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People say things like that, but people are becoming more pro-life than ever, while every time a vote is taken on gay marriage, traditional marriage is re-affirmed. Further, one needn't be religious to hold those kinds of opinions. I would say it's more of a case of elite opinion moving away from traditional morality than "most people" not agreeing with things they're vocal about.
At any rate, the Republican Party is a political party that doesn't represent any particular ideology or religion. If conservative religious sentiment really was "making it difficult to be a Republican" for enough people, then they would either ignore those sentiments or try not to emphasize them.
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Old people vote more than the young.
Jun 14, 2012, 8:37 PM
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That could be why you see the vocal majority not showing up at the polls.
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Why does religion feel the need to be in politics?
Jun 14, 2012, 9:40 PM
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I don't need a spiritual leader in the Whitehouse. Noone does.
We need someone who won't bankrupt us..or at the least..keep it from occuring. Isn't that challenge enough?
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i can only speak for myself. i've been a republican since i
Jun 15, 2012, 3:16 PM
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was 18. i'm embarrassed when i see results like we saw a few weeks back in NC with amendment 1. the tighter the GOP clings to the religious right, the more it alienates itself from younger GOP voters. the current AARP crowd will be gone in a decade or two. then the GOP will realize that it has to figure out a way to get the blacks, hispanics, gays, women and social moderates back into the fold. meanwhile, those same social moderates are being pushed to the outer edge or entirely out of the party. we're basically libertarians with no other realistic and viable home. it's shortsighted and will hurt the GOP in the long run.
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every state that votes on marriage amendments approves them***
Jun 15, 2012, 4:36 PM
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Nobody says it's a new phenomenon.
Jun 15, 2012, 8:56 AM
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Every politician in this country has to at least fake having a deep religious faith in order to be seriously considered. That's not new, but it's sad.
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You mean like how Obama fakes being a Christian
Jun 15, 2012, 9:08 AM
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and/or being an American!
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Wow, he's so hipster, he was wearing hipster glasses
Jun 14, 2012, 9:48 PM
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before the hipsters were.
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AU H2O is Ron effing Paul***
Jun 14, 2012, 10:55 PM
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