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TNET: Former Clemson player organizing boycott of new college football game, says it's exploiting players
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Jun 7, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Gee, thanks guys... .
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Jun 7, 2023, 10:47 AM
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This game is never going to be released 
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We can't have anything can we?
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:00 AM
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I remember being in a summer-session math class when the latest NCAA Football released. 2007 maybe? Jacoby Ford, who was in the class with me, was pissed because his speed rating was only a 98.
Everyone loved EA Sports NCAA Football, college football overall was more fun, things were better. This equal-share BS is ruining college sports.
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Just a little math - 120 D1 teams times 85 schollies times
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:03 AM
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$500 per player = $5.1 million payout for player NIL. Does seem kinda low based on potential popularity and profit.
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Re: Just a little math - 120 D1 teams times 85 schollies times
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:18 AM
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So how much profit do you think they make per sale and how many games do they expect to sale per year?
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Re: Just a little math - 120 D1 teams times 85 schollies times
Jun 7, 2023, 3:01 PM
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I don't have a real clue, but I bet it would be over a $Billion within the first 6 months of its release.
Most of the last E A sports college FB games are about as old as the Volkswagens, and most of those probably don't work anymore bc they've worn out from playing them so much.
Once the NCAA challenged E A sports over name, image, and likeness, they were made to stop using college players, and that was the beginning of the end of college FB as we knew it. And it has been like the NCAA has been in a rush to destroy college FB, and I think it's bc they're mad they're no longer getting paid the huge bucks off of college players in the electronic gaming world.
But heck yea, they would most likely sell a $Billion worth the first 6 months of a new E A sports college game!!!!
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Re: Just a little math - 120 D1 teams times 85 schollies times
Jun 7, 2023, 6:36 PM
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I doubt they would make that much money. The only reason madden brings in an insane amount of money is because of that stupid ultimate team crap where people can buy card packs.
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Orange Blooded [2717]
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Maybe it's low?
Jun 7, 2023, 11:24 AM
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$500 per player = $5.1 million payout for player NIL. Does seem kinda low based on potential popularity and profit.
Honestly, and I'm a HUGE fan of the NCAA Football series, but it's hard to calculate just how popular NCAA Football will be out the gate.
Yes, in online forums there are a lot of fans but IRL NCAA was being outsold when competing against Madden back in the day, though I'd like to think sales will be strong out the gate.
I tried to find some data but all I could find was the Wiki page stating over 1 million copies were sold, so if we take that 1M copies sold x $60 = $60M (and I'm assuming this is on the low side and we're not even getting into an expected upsell like Ultimate Team stuff that's likely to be included)
If we're at $5.1M now for payout, how much (not even counting game developers, marketing for the game, etc) more would EA be able to offer out the gate for a game that hasn't been sold in 10 years?
There are also fewer players in Madden naturally (32 teams for active rosters x whatever is in the FA pool) which probably helps increase that dollar amount for the players in the game.
I'm not an accountant so if someone with more accounting experience wants to jump in and sum up what a fair deal looks like I'm all for reading it because I'm curious about what a fair rate would be.
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More than just the players getting paid
Jun 7, 2023, 12:32 PM
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Also absolutely have to factor in licensing fees for all 130 teams, stadiums & leagues, not to mention broadcasters & licensed music (ex., one of the explicit outliers in this edition has been getting music rights & licensing fees for things including fight songs & other in-stadium traditions).
Here's the thing: it's been two generations of consoles since the last NCAA football video game.
Madden always did & always will outsell a college game by nature, but it's been too long to safely predict the number of people who would pay a $60-100 price for it. $5.1 mil isn't a lot, to your point, just saying it's not the only fee, plus the roster isn't limited to scholarships (i.e., there's 15,000+ players in the sport rather than 11k, but it may even include other groups like coaches/assistants, bands, cheerleaders, et al.).
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Re: More than just the players getting paid
Jun 8, 2023, 9:29 AM
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I still have NCAA 11 and still play it from time to time. The graphics are garbage. The gameplay isn’t. I hate making claims without citations. I believe it would do extremely well. It was a AAA IP and continues to draw AAA interest. Hopefully, they accept the $500 and we don’t have a bunch of HB 24 or QB 2.
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Re: Just a little math - 120 D1 teams times 85 schollies times
Jun 7, 2023, 6:22 PM
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I’m cool with it….if you’re any good. If you’re not an impact player then you get the $17k…..sounds fair to me. You know…give em some incentive to get better and make more. EA makes more. That’s how it works.
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then boy cott the game. if a player opts in
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:10 AM
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they are in the game for that price. if not they will just use a template..heck template is what they should do anyways to prevent the whining
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Re: then boy cott the game. if a player opts in
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:16 AM
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Let's face it. Now that players are getting paid, no amount will satisfy greed. Perhaps, the NIL money should go to the respective sport programs, and they may dole it out as they see fit.
If you like, you may take this one step further, payouts are based upon previous year's final ranking. Talk about incentive to not opt-out for the "meaningless" bowl games. Bwahahaha
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Re: then boy cott the game. if a player opts in
Jun 7, 2023, 6:23 PM
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I like this idea….. even tho we know it’ll be Ship running the ball…..clearly make him Asian…..leave no doubt it’s not the actual player
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I'll take a measley $15k and you can use my NIL instead
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Call it a deal?
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NCAA Football is the only way the SEC beats out
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:18 AM
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competing leagues for the NFLs developmental league.
Clemson will be SEC in two seasons.
Don't boycott this game.
Boycotting will make college football 3rd tier when the NFL allows 18 year olds to play and the 2nd tier paid league pops up.
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Re: NCAA Football is the only way the SEC beats out
Jun 7, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Clemson won't join the SEC. It would be like the USA joining the USSR (when it still existed). It would be more likely to see them in the Big 10.
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Re: NCAA Football is the only way the SEC beats out
Jun 7, 2023, 6:24 PM
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That would also make 0 sense.
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Don't ruin this for all of us
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Look, come up with a number ($500 doesn't seem prohibitively unfair for a sport with 15 times as many players as the NFL) & then DON'T stop the game from happening; change the number for the next game in the meantime, or use the first one to measure from, or even do a shared-revenue thing (like the ACC!) but completely cancelling it for corporate greed in the name of personal greed is too vastly disproportionate after not having the game for over a decade. C'mon fam.
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Fire the accountant now!
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Jun 7, 2023, 11:42 AM
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$500…that’s egregious, horrific and outrageous said Jackie Chiles.
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There isn't a "fair" amount
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Jun 7, 2023, 12:25 PM
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To be fair, the players likely deserve thousands each.
Can't do that, though, because it's not worth the literal value to make the game at that cost.
Gotta do something, & no matter what they do they will learn from it to do a different deal in future games.
That, or they get out-priced & the game remains in limbo in perpetuity.
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It's about time. Too many people making loads of money
Jun 7, 2023, 11:39 AM
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off these guys.
Time to share the wealth with those who make it happen.
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Re: It's about time. Too many people making loads of money
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Jun 7, 2023, 12:09 PM
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"share the wealth with those that make it happen"... ok, lets just see who "makes it happen". if the players aren't in the game, and they use generic players, the game still happens. if the fans don't buy the game, regardless of what players are on it, the game doesn't happen... so, it appears the fans are who actually makes "it happen"... so, where's the fans cut in all this?
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That's true
Jun 7, 2023, 12:23 PM
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You're not wrong. We've made billions for players who would literally be ineligible if they mowed a single lawn like Coach Swinney did for money in college.
The problem is we'll NEVER be able to pay them their worth, so to speak.
So the question is balance vs. value. The players deserve, say, $10k a piece. But that's not sustainable so the game simply won't exist at that value.
$500 might not be enough, either, but you gotta start somewhere (maybe they could include revenue-sharing, for example).
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Re: That's true
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Jun 8, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Yeah, actually, I think it makes sense to allot a % of the actual revenue for the players and then send “royalty” checks.
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Re: It's about time. Too many people making loads of money
Jun 7, 2023, 1:20 PM
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Wrong I could careless about the players in the game I’m just ready to run my Dynasty with Clemson with Joe Schmo as my heisman QB. The universities make the game not the players.
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Re: It's about time. Too many people making loads of money
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Jun 7, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Yeah, the one thing about it is that most people play in Dynasty mode, so the actual player likenesses are not used all that much.
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$500 does sound a bit low, but these guys have to
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Jun 7, 2023, 12:00 PM
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realize that they aren't going to get anywhere near the amount that NFL players receive for a couple of simple reasons:
1) Madden is a more valuable franchise that's going to bring in more revenue
2) There are around 11,000 FBS football players on scholarship. The total number of players on NFL active rosters during the season is only 1,760. Even if you include some more players that will end up on IR, practice squads, cut, etc, there's still about 6x more FBS players to divide the money between.
Perhaps the average NFL player making 40x more money from this is a bit high, but 20x more probably isn't unreasonable. If these guys are being underpaid here it's not by *that much.*
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Re: $500 does sound a bit low, but these guys have to
Jun 7, 2023, 1:57 PM
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They are only offering about five million total for payouts, where as the Madden offered 29.3 Million in 2018. Even accounting for market size you would think a 20 Million dollar pool would be fair.
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Kinda
Jun 7, 2023, 3:33 PM
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It's more than $5 mil, to be clear, & note that's exclusively for the D1 players & not the vast amount of other licensing & fee issues.
I'm optimistic it'll work out, but the players are the outlier right now for sure.
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Re: Kinda
Jun 7, 2023, 4:29 PM
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"On May, On3 reported that the total compensation for players opting into the video game would be roughly $5 million, meaning each player receives approximately $500." That's from the article about it from SI.
My thinking was 75 players on a travel roster, 133 teams, 500 a player, equals $4,987,500. With the thought being only players on a travel roster would be included in the game.
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Re: Kinda
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Jun 7, 2023, 4:44 PM
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For sure, not saying it's way off base, only that it sounds like that part alone is more &, crucially, there's an absolute deluge of other fees & licenses they have to pay for, more than any other title in the past; the article talked about likely costs, but not much about the game design itself & its consequent expense & why it's so different from any title before it (including things like Howard's Rock, or "Enter Sandman" for VT, even marching bands in many cases).
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after all this, that game will cost about $150***
Jun 7, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Jun 7, 2023, 12:12 PM
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Of course. An athlete who failed to make it to the league. Shocker.
Bunch of entitled clowns that generation has produced. Do they even show your last name on the jersey or in game? Probably not. Absolutely ridiculous.
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They will; that's what this is all about
Jun 7, 2023, 12:21 PM
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NIL is the answer to literally putting names on players' jerseys, yes. It will be a first for the game (at least from an official-release standpoint, that is).
They'll even look remarkably similar to their real-world counterparts by design.
Trying to do that without their names & changing their race & measurables is explicitly what got them sued in the Ed O'Bannon case & consequently why we haven't had a game in over a decade.
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Grow up
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Jun 7, 2023, 12:38 PM
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I don’t play video games so it doesn’t really matter to me but geeze quit whining about how much these payers should and should not be getting.
They are now adults or are wanting to pretend to be adults in this new NIL world. They wanted this. Time for these payers to put on their big boy pants and hire agents and get as much as they feel they are worth. If they are irresponsible and just taking whatever EA sports pays them then too bad so sad. I don’t feel sorry for them
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Orange Blooded [2525]
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Guess he’s not a numbers guy.
Jun 7, 2023, 1:28 PM
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1760 on NFL active rosters vs 70,060 in College Football with 15,167 of them D1. He needs a math lesson to understand why the College Football payments are substantially lower.
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Hear me out
Jun 7, 2023, 1:44 PM
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At first, I thought this was ridiculous and they should just be happy to be in the game. But if you take the payouts from Madden in 2018 (17,000 per active player, 1000 for Practice Squad) and multiply it by the number of players 1696 (53 per team) Active, 512 (16 per team) you would get pot of 29.3 Million. Compared to the 5 Million they are offering college players it is ridiculously low without even considering that these figures are five years old.
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I hear you
Jun 7, 2023, 1:59 PM
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Also gotta factor in way more licensing fees (more teams, brands, leagues, broadcasters, even coaches & bands in this case, as well as licensed music & "tradition" songs, etc.), fewer sales than Madden by nature, & there are 1500+ D1 football players in the sport.
It's still likely not "fair," so to speak, but to be honest, would any number be fair after making billions for free for decades?
It's a tough one. Their suggestion SEEMED to be closer to $800 than $500 (rather than thousands per player), but I hope they can figure it out, make it at least rationally fair, THEN change the deal for the next game or add revenue sharing (i.e., the O'Bannon payouts came years after any of the players paid were actually in college, let alone playing free football).
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Re: I hear you
Jun 7, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Looking up sales from 2014, NCAA sold 1.2 million copies whereas madden sold 1.6. To make it simple we will say 30% Less. So if we take a player pool of 30 million and take out % sales, we are at 20 million. If we give them another $10 million for additional licensing fees mentioned, you would still be at a 10-million-dollar player pool, double what is currently offered. I get why they are trying to squeeze players, every dollar per player they negotiate down would save EA $10,000, but in my opinion they intentionally low balled it, so they could come back later with some higher number and say how generous they are even though it was in their budget all along.
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Re: I hear you
Jun 7, 2023, 5:06 PM
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Also there are roughly 9310 players on DIV 1 FBS Football travel players, instead of 2208 NFL Players (1696 active, 512 PS)
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If I were the head of EA Sports, I would scrap the project!
Jun 7, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Or I would use a bunch of Joe Schmoe's in the game. I would tell these guys "Sorry, guess you can make your deals when you make the NFL and get your name in Madden!" NO game for you, NO notoriety while you are still in college, NO moolah for you.
I wish I could get that kind of exploitation!
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The number of kids who have missed out on being part of this
Jun 7, 2023, 2:15 PM
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game because so called adults who get all the rewards for their "leadership" is just sickening. Stop telling people what they should and shouldn't value, (while of course you get a significantly larger piece of the pie). Sorry, but your concern is disingenuous and your outcomes only hurt players. Get a conscience and stop pretending to be the benevolent middle man.
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I say up the payment to $1000 per player...
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Jun 7, 2023, 2:24 PM
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but any player that enters the transfer portal must pay EA Sports a $750 reprograming fee.
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Recommended Fix
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Jun 7, 2023, 3:15 PM
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All o-linemen have no numbers. Only skill players are given numbers. That should boost the payout for skill players.
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Spoiled *^#%$
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Jun 7, 2023, 3:34 PM
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Heck. Put my name and number on it for FREE. I think that is the coolest thing. Leave the nameplates blank but let the user put whatever name he/she wants to put on it. These frigging players have gone crazy over this stuff. Like Falcinelli and Anchrum should get paid more than $500. Get you @s on Madden and then whine about the money. Geez. Spoiled &^%$#
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Simple fix
Jun 7, 2023, 5:24 PM
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The simple solution for EA here is to just make all rosters generic players. I never cared about what players were on the team when I was playing those games. After a few seasons in dynasty they would all be generic anyway.
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There are 24 times the amount of players in the NFL
Jun 7, 2023, 7:25 PM
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And they are at the pinnacle of football abilities... much better, in general, than college players. They pay agents and unions to manage this type of thing.
According to SBNation, "the NCAA counted 40,733 players." At $500 per player (I would imagine it would somehow be negotiable, if not already agreed upon in some collective bargaining agreement) that means EASports is paying $20.4M. That's nothing to sneeze at considering all the other costs associated with releasing this game. It's been a decade since they last had one. A lot has to go into it.
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Re: There are 24 times the amount of players in the NFL
Jun 7, 2023, 8:45 PM
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Searched madden and its says EA makes about $600M per year off the game…. Someone said that Madden pays $30M to players…. That’s 5% of what they make (I know the math isn’t perfect)….. Why not set the pool based on sales or profits, at a percent…. If game sells well, the players make more, if not, they make less…. If they already set the pool at $5M, if that is 5% of profit, they expect to make $100M in first year…. Seems simple to make the payout based on a percent of profit or sales, then see where it lands and write the checks…
It’s all about business, I know I wouldn’t start giving out money to people based on some fake sales projection…..
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This is ALL about the CFBPA
Jun 8, 2023, 7:41 AM
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Did any of you even click that link?:
https://www.cfbpa.org/ CFBPA — College Football Players Association The College Football Players Association was founded to be in service of current, former and future college football players. The CFBPA will engage in nationwide advocacy for the rights of college football players and be dedicated to their health, safety and welfare. The CFBPA will make sure that co
When you do, you will see the 'Hurry, hurry, join now!' Similar to some other sites I go to.
Seriously, in the NFL, the Players Association are still trying to destroy Roger Stokoe Goodell.
For this to happen to CFB, it's not if the players will strike but WHEN. Perhaps after CFB leaves the NCAAs??
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such a tragedy
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Jun 8, 2023, 9:07 AM
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the most disappointing part of all this is the revelation of so many grown men playing a game meant for kids. Splains alot
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With quick math, it would be reasonable to get $20-25k per student
Jun 8, 2023, 7:47 PM
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That would be using 80 ish students from about 40 schools (schools with enough follow to add real player names and image).
The best deal would be to do a flat % of the revenue.
2nd best would be to sell the game with all random players, and then sell add-ons for each team at $5-10 per team, or $50 annually for all included teams.
Again, with a flat % to Players, with a higher % if only your school is sold.
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I won the Heisman 10 times with players I made up
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Jun 8, 2023, 10:08 PM
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No offense intended to current or former players, but I don’t play the game for the individual players, and certainly not for an offensive lineman. I buy and play to be Clemson. The stadium, the uniforms, and the fight song. I also will play being Akron, and high school teams. What’s next? Paying high school players? Licensing fees are paid so that I can play whatever team I choose to be. I’m not playing a certain player, and anyone who’s played the game knows that, most of the time, you’re creating a new coach (perhaps using your own name) and creating fictional players rated 99 for recruiting. Think about it, some player getting paid for the 299 lb defensive end with 99 speed, sporting the name Deez Nuts. No one should get paid for that. Period. It’s simply college TEAMS playing the classic games that we know & love. You can throw any number you want on the jersey. At the end of the day it can be #99 across the board and the game will still sell. After all, we aren’t in IPTAY for Deshaun, Trevor, etc. We’re in IPTAY for CLEMSON. Where does all this end? Will the 2nd string center from 2007 demand his rights because his old number is in a video game? Seriously, this is ridiculous. Deez Nuts for Heisman!!!
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Welp, guess I’ll power up the PS3 and NCAA 14 again….
Jun 9, 2023, 3:16 PM
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That game is the gift that keeps on giving…stands the test of time.
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