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Could Clemson get left behind?
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If the ACC implodes? We all assume that the SEC will welcome us with open arms or maybe the Big Ten. But the SEC has said over and over again they see no value in a second program from this state, no matter how good they are. And the Big Ten is still hung up on that AU business which Clemson is NOT a member. Could the Big 12 be our only option? Tell me I'm wrong. But I watch a lot of videos natiion wide and all of them say North Carolina is a much bigger fish for these confrences than Clemson.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 10:24 AM
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Oregon isn’t a member either and had worse academics NEXT
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 21, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Do you even check before you act like you know something? NEXT
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Well then, if SEC were smart, they would jettison SC and
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add us.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 10:28 AM
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College Football generates more $ and is the Sport that moves the Needle. UNC has not -and - will not move the Needle in Football!!!
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Re: Clemson is working towards AAU accreditation...
Dec 21, 2023, 10:46 AM
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Yes I heard FSU is too
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You are wrong
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There should be an IQ test to allow people to use the internet.
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If there was a test,
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I hoped you all would miss me.
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I promise you would pass!***
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I have the IQ test kit and know all the answers
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And am willing to administer the test to a select group of members at no charge
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Re: You are wrong
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Dec 20, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly!
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:00 PM
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The ACC imploding could be the best thing for Clemson. Both conferences are interested in Clemson - just not at a $120 million price tag. The ACC implodes, Clemson is free of the buy out, plenty of people will come a'callin'
Especially if we have played ourselves back into the top 10 by then.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 20, 2023, 5:05 PM
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Will Clemson implode by staying in the ACC? No....Could we be seriously handicapped by staying in the ACC? Yes
Clemson will find a landing spot somewhere and be fine in the long run but how far into the future that may be is anyones guess
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:11 PM
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:09 PM
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UNC gets some shiny talk due to the TV Market numbers. The problem with those is that even when/if UNC is GOOD, they don't pull the numbers that Clemson has pulled. Yeah, that is really weighted with football. The UNC brand in basketball is still pretty heavy, but the TV numbers only build steam during the tournament and the difference between UNC and any other team at that point is negligible.
But the short of it is, buck up. Clemson is a worthy institution both the B1G and SEC would add given the opportunity. Don't let Pawl lie to you.
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I dont think UNC is NEARLY the football brand as Clemson.
Dec 20, 2023, 5:31 PM
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It’s all about football, and it’s not even close.
Notre Dame, Clemson, and FSU are by far the most attractive programs in the country.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:10 PM
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Not if we win. Just keep winning...it is all they can really do.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:43 PM
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No. Negotiations are ongoing. Clemson and the SEC are both just trying to get the best deal.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:49 PM
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They HAVE GOT to get Jeff Scott back on campus!!! AD needs to takeover the NIL. I truly believe Dabo is bulljiving the transfer portal. How else can you explain players going to programs like Georgia Tech and Arkansas
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This needs to stop
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Dec 20, 2023, 7:33 PM
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Jeff Scott is not the answer and if we recycle him we will suffer
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Re: This needs to stop
Dec 20, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Depends on what the question is. I definitely think he could be the answer at WR coach, and going into year 5 it appears Grisham is in over his head. I think we will suffer if we keep him as he’s not able to point to any WR he’s helped get to the league.
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In Grishams first year we had the most productive passing game in history.
Dec 21, 2023, 7:17 PM
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And Grisham turned Cornell Powell and Amari Rogers into NFL draft picks. Powell was on nobody’s radar prior to Grisham.
Since then the entire program has been handcuffed my mediocre QB play. WRs don’t look too good when the QB isn’t up to par.
It’s true some WRs got frustrated while DJ was QB for 2 years, and fundamentals went by the wayside.
This season we had open receivers on nearly every passing play, but the QB needs to further develop at this level.
I don’t think we know exactly how good of a coach Grisham is, other than when the team had a great QB we had the most productive receiving stats in history.
Let’s see what the WRs do when the QB grows up. He’ll also have two of our best receivers back, in Antonio Williams and Cole Turner. Especially considering the incoming guys, the WR room will be more stacked than any year since 2020. Hopefully Cade grows, and the offense will take off.
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Re: In Grishams first year we had the most productive passing game in history.
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Dec 21, 2023, 9:36 PM
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We had production that year due to having the #1 pick at QB, and Powell and Rodgers had 3 years of being under Scott which I would consider more impactful than a season under Grisham. Not sure I’d name those guys as people Grisham developed.
The WB’s bare some blame for WR struggles, but there are also glaring issues with the way our WR’s play. They play small, fail to high point balls, and generally don’t fight for them. Drops and tipping balls up in the air continue to be an issue, as well as the atrocious blocking on the perimeter.
The only receiver position we’ve seen any life out of is the slot, and that’s typically their first year in campus and then progressively worse. Is it possible that Grisham, being a slot guy himself, doesn’t know how to properly coach the boundary guys? It’s completely different skill sets.
He’s also had highly rated guys that have done nothing under him (Collins, EJ Williams, Ross, Ngata, Ladson, and Randall to this point). Did Scott just have an amazing hit rate on guys and Grisham is just having tough luck, or is it possible it’s the coaching?
I hope he succeeds, as that means we succeed, but if this year is par for the course, then it’s time to move on from this mistake, because it won’t get better with time.
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Covid and playing 9 ACC teams helped as well***
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Re: This needs to stop
Dec 21, 2023, 7:28 PM
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Needs to stop because you say so...get over yourself
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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They HAVE GOT to get Jeff Scott back on campus!!! AD needs to takeover the NIL. I truly believe Dabo is bulljiving the transfer portal. How else can you explain players going to programs like Georgia Tech and Arkansas
Forget about the portal for now. Recruiting is good at Clemson. Dabo wants guys that are committed not wishy washy guys . Coach wants grinders that aren't afraid of competition. Tell me where we lack. Keep in mind our coaching staff has been tweaked.
Coaching staff changes will make a difference. We can win with what have.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:53 PM
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Expansion has been about expanding TV viewership. I don’t think either the SEC or Big think Clemson would add enough new TV viewership to offset the revenue dilution.
Clemson is in a very weak position and is at extreme risk of being left behind.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 6:01 PM
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We’re not at risk at all. Like you said, it’s about adding viewers, but adding viewers is no longer contingent on markets. With every game being available to anyone, anywhere, it’s all about the matchups. Clemson draws eyeballs, and regardless of the crowing you’ll hear from places like Tallahassee due to this season, they have paced the ACC for a decade in that department, almost always in the top 15, and routinely in the top 10. What the SEC says publicly, when they don’t want to appear to be tampering, and what they do behind the scenes, are two different things. Clemson will not be left behind, but will be the belle of the ball when it comes time to find a new partner.
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Exactly***
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 6:42 PM
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Why would they think that? The numbers are there to see. They’re not stupid. Eyeballs are eyeballs, and Clemson captures them nationwide.
There are a lot of pundits out there and not a whole lot of journalists. What comes from the mouth of a pundit is just that - punditry. They say what they *think* or have heard from sources they won’t identify, trying to control the narrative.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 20, 2023, 7:22 PM
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Here’s some logical reasoning… the SEC has two schools from Mississippi, and two schools from Alabama. Both of which are currently less populated than the state of South Carolina.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 21, 2023, 7:42 PM
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Those schools were added before TV contracts even existed.
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The "SEC" has never said that .. just a bunch
Dec 20, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Of yackity yack internet and media know it alls have just speculated that. I promise you, that won't be what stops CU to the SEC!
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
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Dec 20, 2023, 7:33 PM
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No
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Dec 20, 2023, 8:18 PM
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 20, 2023, 8:46 PM
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Could you please post links of where the SEC said over and over and over again that they see no value in having two teams from this state?
The Shyatt you see posted in here is mind numbing!
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 20, 2023, 10:01 PM
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If we get left behind, I would just shut down the football program and focus on basketball.
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I don't believe that the SEC has ever said they don't want Clemson
Dec 21, 2023, 10:56 AM
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but I do believe that getting stuck in the ACC is a real possibility right now. Maybe not permanently, but for quite awhile at least.
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Re: Could Clemson get left behind?
Dec 21, 2023, 7:31 PM
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It's possible.
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