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Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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I am dumb founded that for all the Brownell Bros. chest beating - some of which is deserved - there's no analysis of last night's win from them.
Well, let's help them out a bit.
First off, we've shot >50% on 3-pointers over the last two games, and those are our highest output scoring games (85 points) for the year. Had we shot a "normal %" we would have been down in the high 70's just like against Winthrop and UAB (which seems our sweet spot).
Secondly and most importantly, no one's bringing up the fact that last night was out 3rd-lowest 3-pointers-attempted on the young season. We tried only 21 3-pointers last night, which is at the very edge of what I think is recommended for us. We had tried 15 against Boise and 19 against UAB, both mid-70's scoring games and wins.
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LOL.... has it not occurred to those clowns that our highest 3-point-attempts game was also our lowest scoring game? Davidson, 31 3-pointers and only 68 points.
I asked the question way back then - and was castigated for it. But seriously: who was coaching our 4th game of the year and allowed this team to jerk up 31 3-pointers?
If you've listened to the play-by-play, and Jay Williams was great last night, you've heard every one of them question Shot Selection in our games.
Yes; you can't be better than 6-0. But shot selection is going to cost the Tigers at some point if the players (coaches?) don't start learning lessons.
Case in point: last night at 4:38 left and the lead down to 7, and again at 3:04 left and the lead at 6, Chase Hunter hits two key 3-pointers. Great; love that he hit them.
But those are two critical points late in an Away game against a good defensive opponent. And the best Clemson can do is let a kid who shot 36% from 3 last year while starting jerk up two three's?
They escaped the percentages last night. Play that game all year and it will catch up to them.
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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Nov 29, 2023, 12:39 PM
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Clutch players make clutch plays, I'll gladly let Chase or Joe take an open three during any key point in any game this year.
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You're starting to make
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Nov 29, 2023, 12:40 PM
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JK tolerable. Shame on you!
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Re: You're starting to make
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:16 PM
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Ouch, I think we call that "rock bottom."
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hey, my suggestion is for you to go over and kiss up to JK all you want
Nov 29, 2023, 8:13 PM
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when you come away needing a penicillin shot, don't blame me.
Again, Bad Body Odor and you fail to argue facts. You rant and denigrate as if you have some sort of status. Fine. We're done here.
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Re: hey, my suggestion is for you to go over and kiss up to JK all you want
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Nov 29, 2023, 10:36 PM
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Ranting is clearly your area of expertise. Time to write another novel…
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Is there an unsubscribe button? You're damaged man.***
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Re: Is there an unsubscribe button? You're damaged man.***
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Its called Ignore... HTH 
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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I too, hate beating top 25 teams on the road. Just the worst!
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Pathetic rant..again. Like a train wreck, I can’t look away.
#### you Chase Hunter, how dare you take those shots! And make the too!
Go Tigers! Great win!
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:09 PM
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At least this one was short enough for me to care enough to read. What a bunch of drivel. Put some pants on and go yell at the kids on your lawn.
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Yep, you all are right - 36% is the number that all Coaches pin their hopes on
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:50 PM
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and LOFL at "big-play players make big plays" - big-play players shooting 36% is still just 36%.
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:18 PM
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36%??? Why use last year’s figure? Convenient for your DA rant? Chase has developed into a better shooter each year, including this one (23-24). Google it.
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LOL, well at least you looked.... so your assertion is that CH is going
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:02 PM
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to shoot 46% for the full year this year, since that's where he's at after 6 games?
You do understand that Hunter Tyson only shot 40% last year right?
And while Chase has improved each year, his Year-on-Year improvement last year was about 1% -
and not the 10% that it would take him to get to 46% this year? You know this right?
You also understand that this is a comment on whether he makes the shot in general, right, because we're trying to protect a late lead,
- and so taking a 2- pointer instead of the 3-pointer raises his % chance of making points to 45-48%, right?
And so the whole point of running your offense and getting a 2-point shot is really without argument when the best you have is Chase Hunter taking a 3-pointer.....
You people shouldn't even call yourselves Basketball fans..... it's ridiculous.
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My God, you're worse than JK has ever been.
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:20 PM
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All you do is whine with this Scok. Who do you think you're fooling?
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Whoa! Slow down, Dude!
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:24 PM
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He's getting there, though! 
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No, BBO is right...this guy and his scok are both unhinged lunatics***
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:04 PM
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I don't see any argument of facts here from any of you....
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:05 PM
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I guess that means you've all decided you're just too stupid to do that. Fine, we agree....
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Nobody reads these manifestos...You don't argue with crazy...you just label it
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:10 PM
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for others and move on
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Tar Heels live in their own world
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:45 PM
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I feel sorry for you.
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Still no argument of facts. waiting waiting.***
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Nov 29, 2023, 6:04 PM
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I'm not reading your BS. I get a sense of it and while
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Nov 29, 2023, 6:09 PM
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all of your historic markers and current observations of statistics are impeccably correct, I'm sure, you're annoying and narcissistic.
Nobody wants to argue with you because you don't listen at all so instead, everyone ignores or makes fun of you.
We're 5-0 and just beat a good team on the road.
So I'm sorry to say this, but here it just fits. Shut up, loser.
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Re: I'm not reading your BS. I get a sense of it and while
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Nov 29, 2023, 6:27 PM
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That’s not nice fat face
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How's the A1C, chunky?***
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Re: How's the A1C, chunky?***
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I saw your picture from the game with the other 2 old men. You are one ugly MFer BBO. You should really consider going off the grid.
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Oh no, a ghey troll doesn't find me attractive.
Nov 29, 2023, 6:48 PM
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No wonder your wife is in my DM's.
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Re: Oh no, a ghey troll doesn't find me attractive.
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Don’t hate me because your a disgusting fat body! You allowed that horror show to be seen! You talk to people like chit on here and have a face like that? Makes sense now. Angry fat boy rage! 😂😂😂
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I don't hate you. I don't even care about you.
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:08 PM
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I talk to people here the way they deserve individually. You're a good example. I address you as a sad troll and it hurts your feelings; Symbiotic.
You're just a tubby troll like the lunge losers you look up to for advice on beating the hourly wage drug tests and drinking on the "job."
You keep pluggin there, fella. You've been here a long time and are disliked by many. I admire that.
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Re: I don't hate you. I don't even care about you.
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:15 PM
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And I admire that you can post and insult people knowing you look like a Baboon. Every mirror has to be broken in your house. Well the ones you have mustered up enough courage to look into. I’m just saying what they told me in t-mail.
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Re: I don't hate you. I don't even care about you.
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Re: I don't hate you. I don't even care about you.
Nov 29, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
Nov 29, 2023, 6:31 PM
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At 4:38 if Im not mistaken PJ Hall wasnt even in the game (could be wrong, but pretty sure he was on the bench after his 4th foul). Additionally, the NBA league average for 3pt % is right at 36%. By those metrics having Hunter shoot isnt such a bad thing. Lastly, the type of shots who take are as much dictated by our offense as the opponents defense. Alabama plays fast and we sped up accordingly. Additionally, if your best rim player is out of the game your best option may be your senior guard. The other team has a stake in how the game is played to.
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:00 PM
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Announcer: “Chase Hunter only shot 36% from deep last year. What bad shot, even if he made it.”
Or
Announcer: “Chase Hunter is shooting 46% from three this year. What a Gamesealing, cold blooded assasin he has developed into.”
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Olemike59: “what a terrible shot, we’ll get killed in the future winning games like this. Listen to me! I am impotent!”
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for God's sake, if you want to be a Liar, then address someone else
Nov 29, 2023, 7:52 PM
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Actual Announcer: "Big made three for Chase Hunter."
Jay Williams: essentially "Here's what the D did wrong with his eyes."
Take your GD BS somewhere else...
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Re: for God's sake, if you want to be a Liar, then address someone else
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:13 PM
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Nah, I’ll just hang out here and watch you go insane. Oops, too late.
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limited thinking is all I can say....
Nov 29, 2023, 8:09 PM
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PJ Hall left at the 5:28 mark. Clemson ran multiple possessions without him. On the floor at 4:38 - Godfrey, Girard, Wiggins, Leyte, Hunter.
NBA metrics for 3-point FG% don't matter - NBA line is 23'9" while college is 20'9". That's 3 feet for heaven's sake!
On two consecutive possessions we ran a 3-man movement at the top of the key. The very previous possession was when Girard hit a 3-pointer to make the lead seven from only 4. Hunter's shot came with 8 on the shot clock as Godfrey had set a screen and was rolling.
Limited thinking - why?
1. They didn't have to take a 3-pointer. Why does everyone get locked in on this? They could have easily posted either Godfrey or Wiggins on the block to shoot a much higher percentage 2-pointer. Run the GD offense for someone other than a Guard - but Brownell will never do that...
2. Girard was also on the court, as noted. He was 38% last year while Hunter was 36% overall. Girard was 38.5% in ACC play, and 38.1% overall.
But let's be real: Hunter's actual relevant 3-point % from last year was that from against the ACC schedule. All the other non-conference teams on the schedule couldn't get us into the NCAA.
Last year, Hunter shot 26.7% from 3 against the ACC schedule. 26.7%, and we're trying to hold a lead in the last 4 minutes of a game against Top 25 competition.
Now do you understand why Brownell has a hard time closing out games?
I'm finished here. You can either accept the facts, or put me on ignore. Matters not to me.
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Re: limited thinking is all I can say....
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I dont put anyone on ignore. Im an adult. Civil arguments about sports dont ruin my day. Secondly, I'll take the Senior guard shooting (and making) the 3 over a Sophomore Forward on the floor becuase the starter is in foul trouble. Secondly, todays basketball game is played from outside-in, like it or not. I dont always approve of the Steph Curry approach to modern basketball, but it is what it is. Alabama as a team embodies this philosophy. Lastly, Im not defending Brownell's record as a coach, my previous posts should have made that clear. This back and forth was started over an erroneous talent eval in regards to Baehre. Finally, I respect your insight, you clearly know the game of basketball. However, as I have been told on tigernet many times when I criticize Dabo, if I know so much why I am I not on the sidelines? The same goes for basketball. Brownell is flawed, but the two of us keyboard warriors are not experts, if we were we would be paid coaches, not tigernet posters.
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They didn't play "outside-in" on those possessions... I was specific
Nov 29, 2023, 8:45 PM
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Brownell ran a 3-man play at the top of the key. Almost a weave. It was "outside-outside". Brownell has a fetish over the 3-point shot, and I'd bet it was because he was chastised at Clemson early on, long and loudly, for being a boring Defensive Coach who had no 3-point shooters. Now, it's all he and his staff know.
Quite frankly, it's part of his emotional handicap: he does things to satisfy the peanut gallery, not things that are right or involve thinking. In other words, he plays to the crowd, as if that's what wins games. He's playing to the crowd when he's calling 3-point plays, or when he's sucking up in IPTAY meetings, and in the AD's office, and with boosters. This is why they love him so. He's the Pied Piper. He has mesmerized the Elites of Clemson. He's 14-years into the most mediocre career in modern ACC basketball, and all the Clemson AD can do is say, "One more year."
Whatever: Clemson "basketball fans" get exactly what they deserve now.
Godfrey - in limited reps, of course - is a 63.5% scorer from 2-point range. That's this year, last year, and/or in-conference. 63+%.
When you're playing to hold a lead, you get points the high-percentage way: typically drive the lane or dump it into the post. You can dump it in, send it out, and dump it in again. Or you can play high-low post. Back screen the block. Whatever: the combos are limitless.
But with 4-to-go, up 7, then I'm taking playing for two with a 63% shooter any day. A 36% shooter from 3-point range doesn't even enter my thinking except as desperation. And when Brownell coaches offense, too often it's simply desperation.
And again, that's why Brownell loses tight games. It ain't hard.
As to Baehre, LOL. You can have Honor, Dawes, and Hemenway all you want. If you're just trading minutes between those, you'd be an absolute fool to take the midgets and the stiff from Indiana. Good luck.
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Re: They didn't play "outside-in" on those possessions... I was specific
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Bro...can you have a professional convo or is being condescending just your natural state. As for Baehre, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Honor and Dawes were short and not pro talent, but Baehre was tall...and also not pro talent.
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and yet Baehre is playing pro ball....
Nov 29, 2023, 10:34 PM
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and yes, I probably do get a bit condescending to those who refuse to face facts. Would that be you?
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Re: and yet Baehre is playing pro ball....
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Two way street brother. Lets just agree to part on amicable terms...and yes, pro ball...in Germany.
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Re: Stark Raving Brad - November 29 again
Nov 29, 2023, 10:21 PM
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Basketball is a real up and down game. And you can’t wait ffor the down
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Alabama is not a good defensive opponent
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Nov 29, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Jay talked about how poorly they were all night and needed a “come to Christ moment” About committing to play better defense (his words). He actually harped on it all game about how bad they were defensively.
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No doubt, Jay Will doesn't miss much....
Nov 29, 2023, 11:13 PM
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I much prefer him as commentating on games instead of in-studio on one of those Animal House shows. He's too smart to be down in the muck with the idiots they let scream on the Point vs. Point formats. I'm sure that pays better, and with less travel,
but he's too good for that crap.
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Nov 30, 2023, 8:43 AM
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When you win an argument with an idiot what have you won?
Super job by coach Brownell in winning a road game against a ranked team.
Unbelievable 3 point shooting
Go TIGERS
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