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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 7:45 AM
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military style semi-assault weapon, with a huge magazine, to protect their family from an intruder?
Just one? Only one.
Today you can go buy an M-82 50 caliber, an M-134 that shoots 166 rounds per second, an AK-47, a Glock 23 automatic where can get 30 rounds off in less than 10 seconds, a Bush Master N-4, etc.
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when the asshat that knows you have all that and gets...
Dec 17, 2012, 7:53 AM
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jealous/broke/desperate/greedy enough to rob you for it with equal fire power.
I would want an equal fight.
Trust NO ONE
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Assume you're joking...good one.***
Dec 17, 2012, 7:56 AM
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Re: Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 7:57 AM
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Do you need a car with 500 horsepower?
Do you need a 50" television?
Do you need a smart phone?
Do you need 1 lb cheeseburger?
How can we go on like this?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Only the car could produce a danger to others, and they are
Dec 17, 2012, 8:11 AM
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heavily regulated and very expensive.
A 500hp Cobra has the same speed limit as a Civic.
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All-In [30545]
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and the person behind the wheel can plow over 1 or many
Dec 17, 2012, 8:13 AM
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people at the same time.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Not really. Those cars really do not have the structural
Dec 17, 2012, 8:20 AM
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rigidity upfront to go on a continued mow down. Now, a snowplow, that is a menace to society right there!
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All-TigerNet [11686]
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Re: Not really. Those cars really do not have the structural
Dec 17, 2012, 8:32 AM
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So they both same the same speed limit?
So we can assume the people we're regulating are law abiding citizens?
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Rock Defender [54]
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I don't care if people want to kill themselves with
Dec 17, 2012, 9:05 AM
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cheeseburgers. Heck, I am all right with people killing themselves with assault rifles. See, there is room for compromise.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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How many times must it be pointed out that these items
Dec 17, 2012, 8:06 AM
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are inanimate?
How dense are you? You don't need to answer that. I have a very good idea.
Control the nutbaskets. <-- That's a period, right there.
But you go ahead and keep beating the drum of momentum that your beloved administration has going, for more and more control of our freedoms. Oh, and keep that head buried in the sand.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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coincidentally....
Dec 17, 2012, 8:25 AM
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The people who think the guns shoot themselves are the same people who think the universe started itself.
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All-In [30545]
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both are a
Dec 17, 2012, 8:34 AM
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bang!!
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"Legally" speaking, they (guns) are already controlled.
Dec 17, 2012, 8:45 AM
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Yes, let us take the path of least political resistance.
I suspect and hope that this path may unearth enough folks that weren't willing to vote during our election process. Plus, we know that the vast majority of the leftwing are unarmed.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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How do we control the nuts then?***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:00 AM
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tighter underwear??***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:04 AM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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I'm not sure. However, I make not assumptions that
Dec 17, 2012, 9:06 AM
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course of action would be the simplest or easy. Evidently, politicians and some citizens agree and are willing to take the low and easy route of "controlling guns". What a bunk.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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You need to consider doing both or any number of things.***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:09 AM
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Re: Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 8:11 AM
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You cannot just go buy a gun that shoots 166 rounds per second.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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It is legal though, probably cost a fortune though.***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:35 AM
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Re: It is legal though, probably cost a fortune though.***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:38 AM
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There are federal permits to own machine gunsmbut theynare very very hard to get.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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It's hyperbole.
Dec 17, 2012, 8:48 AM
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He read that on some leftwing, nutball website and is simply parroting it here, like the mindless, good sheep he is.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Have no problem with gun ownership***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:29 AM
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So then have I sufficiently provided you with the "one"
Dec 17, 2012, 8:46 AM
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instance where a high capacity semi-auto may be necessary to defend oneself? Do you remember the 1997 Hollywood shootout where bank robbers with fully automatic weapons(already illegal) and body armor fought with cops for over 45 minutes? Where did the cops turn to? A local pawn shop to bolster their firepower with ar-15s.Local supply of civilian weapons may have saved lives that day.
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I'm not familiar with any legal semi-assault weapon that
Dec 17, 2012, 8:18 AM
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shoots dozens of rounds per second
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Those are legal automatic weapons.***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:43 AM
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you could not buy those things.***
Dec 17, 2012, 10:01 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Expensive, extensive background check, with a
Dec 17, 2012, 10:10 AM
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certain type of license, but doable.
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^^^ looking for anecdotal evidence ^^^***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:20 AM
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Oculus Spirit [82109]
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zombies***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:23 AM
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FOR REAL!***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:27 AM
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must be expert at
Dec 17, 2012, 8:34 AM
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head shots, too.
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Here is a 13 minute video reinacting the event.***
Dec 17, 2012, 8:48 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Get real, do you actually want citizens to be able to
Dec 17, 2012, 9:05 AM
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legally obtain the firepower to overthrow our govt., be it from the left or right?
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YES!!!!!
Dec 17, 2012, 9:09 AM
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And furthermore, that the left and right have the same firepower to overthrow any other particular government, if they so see fitting. What part of that do you have trouble with?
Why must you insist that government have total control of the people? Where has that been such a huge success, for the people?
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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LOL Geez***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:21 AM
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Re: LOL Geez, is a well thought out rebuttal.***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:35 AM
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The government exists at the pleasure of the citizens
Dec 17, 2012, 9:37 AM
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not the other way around.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Of course. What does that have to do with armed
Dec 17, 2012, 9:42 AM
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citzens overthrowing the govt.?
If you heard of a coup about to be carried out in SC by the black panthers with legal assault weapons, would you back them or want the military and law enforcement to crush the uprising?
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I'M FOR THE BLACK PANTHERS!!!!
Dec 17, 2012, 9:58 AM
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No, not really. But freedom of choice allows me to make that decision. History shows us that "sides" will be divided. I need more details on this Black Panther coup before I decide.
Loyalists.
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one big difference between the left and right
Dec 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
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I believe that ALL citizens should be allowed the wonderful freedoms of this great country. With that ALL citizens must share the responsibilities of those same freedoms.
Many on the left argue that only those that agree with their point of view should be allowed the "freedom." Others dont deserve it.
The black panthers (if legally allowed) are free to own guns. I too am legally allowed to own them.
That is what keeps the peace.
An armed citizenry is the final "check and balance" of our government.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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LOL..real peaceful country we got here.
Dec 17, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Who on the left advocates people who agree with them, only, having this freedom?
Also, our military could wipe out any armed citizens group in a matter of seconds. Armed citizen groups don't deter our govt from anything.
It ain't 1776.
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You have chosen a very broad brush.
Dec 17, 2012, 10:27 AM
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You will not find anyone, anywhere (with the exception of, perhaps, a very delusional individual) that is going to attempt to refute the claims that our military could wipe out n armed group of citizens.
I have pointed out that scenario is not based on the huge assumption that any particular armed group of citizens are under attack in an unconstitutional battle or war.
Our military and law enforcement, I would like to believe, will not engage it's people under such pretenses.
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Re: Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 8:52 AM
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to pull a live baby from the womb and piercing the base of it's skull and sucking it's brains out.
Just one.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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So, we need access to AK-47s to kill abortion doctors
Dec 17, 2012, 9:07 AM
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and the politicians who support choice?
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ahhh...So, "choice" you like, if convenient.
Dec 17, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Got it.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Good point and we both are inconsistent in our
Dec 17, 2012, 9:19 AM
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beliefs if you are anti-choice.
Still, a nut with access to his mother's semi-automatic weapon can kill 26 in a few seconds but an abortion can only kill one potential human being.
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Re: Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 9:07 AM
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I'm kind of confused here. You know you have to have a class III license to buy the weapons you are describing, right? You can't just go buy automatic weapons like you can a hunting rifle. Getting the licenses you would need to buy automatic weapons is extremely expensive, time consuming, and you have to go through a lot of checks, as you should have to.
Other than having a high capacity magazine and the ability to add attachments like reflex sights, lasers, and flashlights, most of the "assault rifles" you can go and buy at the local gun store are very similar to any hunting rifle.
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Re: Weird... just weird
Dec 17, 2012, 9:42 AM
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1) Automatic means Full Auto. Pull the trigger it goes bang until the clip is empty or the trigger is released.
2) Semi Auto means one pull = one shot.
Get your terminology correct.
You cannot purchase any full auto manufactured after 1980. (I think I have the year correct). Period.
To purchase a full auto manufactured before then, you have to jump through months of legal hoops and government approval. The one you buy has to be previously legally licensed. These are rarer and rarer and thus more and more expensive.
(Hint) The full autho ones used in crimes are purchased illegally as it is. What the H*** makes you think banning semi auto would be any different?
Now lets go on to other things... like SEMI AUTO. And a nice healthy case for you that has nothing to do with home defense. There are plenty of places in the US where wild animals have become rampant (example pigs) and threaten the balance of game. The government has moved to help these areas by legalizing night hunting (when they are active) and there is no limit on either game taken nor clip capacity. And hand me no BS about killing for food. The pigs carry a disease that makes them inedible... they multiply unchecked and threaten food supplies. The semi auto high capacity is the best avenue to bring this population down.
The Conn. event is horrid. No question and I pray for the families and everyone involved. However, there are thousands/millions of safe owners who NEVER harm ANYONE... and you would not stop the 1 in a million idiot from finding a way.
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Oculus Spirit [83350]
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Semi-auto first paragraph, a few automatics in 3rd paragraph***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Would licensing and monitoring of these weapons used
Dec 17, 2012, 9:50 AM
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for pig hunting impair the ability to hunt?
BTW, this sounds like fun. Might have to go out there sometime.
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So should we shoot all the pigs or just the bad ones
Dec 17, 2012, 10:47 AM
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and how can you tell?
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Re: So should we shoot all the pigs or just the bad ones
Dec 17, 2012, 11:32 AM
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Did you really ask that question... seriously?
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Re: Can someone give me one example of someone needing a
Dec 17, 2012, 9:46 AM
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You do realize that this only going to explode the sell of such weapons. Every time gun control advocates raise up, the sell of such weapons goes through the roof.
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No doubt, ammo as well.***
Dec 17, 2012, 9:58 AM
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Exactly,
Dec 17, 2012, 10:24 AM
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I've been wanting to buy a firearm for years, but the wife refuses to allow one in the house. After the events of the last couple of months and politician's comments, she asked me last night how much a couple of good handguns would cost.
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The 2nd Ammendment isn't really about personal protection
Dec 17, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Military style weapons are necessary as a part of our governments checks and balances system (albeit a last resort) to defend against a tyrannical government. I think it would violate these rights if the citizens were only allowed slingshots and pea-shooters,
The terms 'assault' rifle and 'military' style are obscure and need some clarification. All weapons can be used for assault and the military uses about everything. As mentioned in above post, you have to have special licenses for anything that fires 'burst' or 'automatic'. What most people can buy is semi-auto weapons. There is really no distinction by definition of a gun like an AR-15, and oldschool revolver, and a browning semi-auto shotgun in the fact that it fires as fast as you pull the trigger. They all require you to pull the trigger. What politicians want to do to gun control is make scary looking guns illegal, however, what is this really solving when the weapon is no more dangerous than the legal ones?
That being said, the only think I could see happening is limiting a magazine to 15 rounds or so. But, I may be wrong.
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This.***
Dec 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
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So at the end of the day the government will have to decide
Dec 17, 2012, 10:41 AM
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what is acceptable in terms of potential deaths. A 30 round mag could result in 30 deaths while a 15 round mag...well you get the point. I guess less deaths make it less tragic. The DC snipers were using AR15 style weapons, but could have gotten the same results using any single shot high powered hunting rifle. The 9/11 terrorists killed 3000 people without a single gun. Point being that a determined individual or group will find ways despite guns laws.
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Limiting magazines will not limit potential deaths. But
Dec 17, 2012, 10:44 AM
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more importantly, it makes me sick that our rulers get to decide what level of protection we are allowed to have, especially considering their egregious behavior.
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