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So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:30 AM
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want someone other than Trump to be the nominee.
Looks like it's down to a 3-person race in NH.
Hope it's a 2-person race after next Tuesday.
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Looks like yo didnt get your memo yet this morning. Thats not the DNc
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:32 AM
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Talking point.
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If you'll provide me with a single time I've ever posted...
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:58 AM
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a DnC talking point, I'll be impressed.
Or...could it just be...you're a FOS liar?
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Actually, your OP is... Heard that on both CNN and MSDNC last night.***
Jan 16, 2024, 2:11 PM
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The DNC talking point was "it is now a two person race"***
Jan 16, 2024, 11:16 PM
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I was referring to the "almost half of the Iowa GOP primary voters" part...
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Jan 16, 2024, 11:33 PM
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Scarborough tries to make a landslide win sound like dissension in the GOP ranks. They're reaching for anything at this point.
Haley is the Uni-Party's last viable alternative to the rising tide.
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Assume you also saw DeSantis and Haley say the same thing...
Jan 17, 2024, 8:18 AM
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have you considered it's just a fact and reasonable analysis and not a "talking point"?
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98 of 99 counties...1271 to 1270 votes in the one he lost. The demographic
Jan 17, 2024, 8:23 AM
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spread on that speaks for itself. Another 50+% in NH and it's over, plain and simple. He'll crush in Nevada and SC.
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umm, ok, but what does that have to do with my original statement...
Jan 17, 2024, 8:40 AM
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which was that factually, about half of the Iowa GOP caucused for someone other than Trump. That is a big number for an effective incumbent. You claimed, oddly, that I was repeating a dem talking point because you heard the same point on TV news. I illustrated to you that I wasn't the only Republican saying it and then you start talking about how many counties Trump won.
I didn't say he wasn't going to win the nomination.
Just admit you were wrong on it being a dem talking point and that it's just a fact and we can move on to your next stupid statement that is sure to be coming.
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CNN and MSDNC are where you hear DNC "talking points"... Your opening
Jan 17, 2024, 8:51 AM
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statement WAS their talking point, at least the one I heard the most. The "two-person race" was a preferential follow up.
As some have already stated, when DeSantis folds, T-Rump will get a majority of those votes. Wanting Haley is a pipe dream.
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That's a really stupid statement...
Jan 17, 2024, 9:55 AM
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ANYTHING said on these networks is a talking point?
If Trump wins and they report that Trump wins...is THAT a talking point?
Half of the voters not supporting Trump in Iowa is a simple fact. There aren't too many ways to look at that. Anyone with at least a basic knowledge of politics knows that that is significant for an incumbent (-esque) race.
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Don't be so obtuse. You messed up. Face the facts.***
Jan 18, 2024, 1:13 AM
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I'm sure to you, accurately stating facts is "messing up"...
Jan 18, 2024, 7:12 AM
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you're a mess
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Your opening line was the opening line on both network morning 'news' shows.***
Jan 18, 2024, 7:30 AM
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Re: umm, ok, but what does that have to do with my original statement...
Jan 18, 2024, 8:39 AM
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which was that factually, about half of the Iowa GOP caucused for someone other than Trump. That is a big number for an effective incumbent. You claimed, oddly, that I was repeating a dem talking point because you heard the same point on TV news. I illustrated to you that I wasn't the only Republican saying it and then you start talking about how many counties Trump won.
I didn't say he wasn't going to win the nomination.
Just admit you were wrong on it being a dem talking point and that it's just a fact and we can move on to your next stupid statement that is sure to be coming.
He is not an “effective incumbent”. Unlike a real incumbent, he can not get the rules changed (Biden getting South Carolina to be first primary, pushing one of his competitors from being able to really run as a Democrat-Kennedy, etc). These are apples vs oranges
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A big problem Haley will face if DeSantis drops...
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:38 AM
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Is that most of DeSantis's followers will go to Trump since he's just Midget Trump.
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DeSantis is gone. He's just Trump lite. Haley is the only different candidate.
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:48 AM
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Not the difference I'd like, but different enough to not be Biden or Trump. Problem is Trump is the only one not indoctrinated in the "system". That's his entire appeal. But he's the wrong type of person to fight the system. History's biggest and worst tyrants all won their power and control going against a broken system. Is what it is. Sad. At the end of the day the broken system was usually preferable to the ultimate solution.
Ross Perot would walk away with the nomination if someone could dig him up. From the same camp as Trump but a better human being.
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I love Perot but he would go down in flames today.
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Jan 16, 2024, 7:54 AM
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His whole message was warning about the growing national debt (amen) and his solution was that (rightly) it would take a few years of belt tightening and sacrifice and cuts in govt spending that may impact you directly (again, amen), but we could eliminate it.
People in 2024 aren’t giving up a God-blessed single thing for the greater good. He’d be laughed off the stage.
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He'd also struggle more today because...
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Jan 16, 2024, 8:01 AM
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He wasn't crazy enough. And he wouldn't jump on a party to play crazy in the primaries.
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Nah, He Was Plenty Crazy
Jan 16, 2024, 8:20 AM
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https://newrepublic.com/article/90592/ross-perot-vietnam-texas
The New Republic is not on my typical reading list, but I do remember Ross claiming that North Vietnamese assassins came after him in Big D and were only deterred because of dogs barking.
I remember thinking that if North Vietnamese assassins risked it all to come to the US, to TX, to Dallas and to Ross's neighborhood, that barking dogs probably wouldn't cause them to abort their efforts.
He was a very eccentric dude and the 24/7 media attention that exists today would not have been good for him.
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Didn't he quit the race, then came back?
Jan 16, 2024, 1:55 PM
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And finally quit when he said his daughter was threatened at her wedding or something?
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Afraid so. I just wish the collective level of ignorance was lower.
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Everyone sees America as something different, above the rules, creating the rules, etc. They see us as a democracy, and generations have been conditioned to think democracy is the most perfect form of government, and America does it best. Even tyrants lean heavily on a republican FORM of government (not to be confused with the party, but the structural form of government). The USSR was led by a string of tyrants. But those tyrants kept Ukraine happy, and the other republics as well, by being a republic in function, even with a tyrant in charge. America's experiment was to have a democracy controlling a republic of states. That is what makes America unique. But we were still a republic, and it's the regional independence that republics allow that keeps the people happiest, and when that breaks down with centralized power, the people become less happy overall, and then you have a mess.
It all dates to the 1960's really. And the Cold War. Americans mostly think "democracy" won that war. It didn't. Our states have traditionally been far more autonomous than Russian states, and most other famous republics. And because of that we have far more resources on which to draw, as a nation of republics, than a nation with a central government (democratic or otherwise). But since we have such a powerful central government now, we're arguing over politics, issues, and who will control what issue. We pretend these 535 people control everything, and they're happy to remind us they do. Our economy, our personal finances, our whatever. That's what state legislatures were designed to do, not Congress. Congress was designed to handle national matters, and national defense. The light bulb on my desk was never intended to be under the purview and control of Congress, but it is. Or the fuel efficiency of my car. Or a long list of things. If our founding fathers knew we used the revenue from a federal income tax to blackmail the 50 states into uniformly changing their laws in return for money (drinking age, speed limit, environmental laws, etc.) they would all roll over in their graves and say the country is doomed. And they'd be correct.
Interesting thing though. Of all the branches of government who are corrupted, there is one that has (recently) been heading backwards, and in the right direction. That's the Supreme Court. Those justices, well the older ones anyway, understand the problem we have I think, and they understand the danger we face today. They are the one entity in Washington that sees the benefit in states having more power. They're IT, no one else can see it, or wants to see it, or has an interest in seeing it. They recently diffused anger over abortion. MILLIONS more Americans today are overall happier with states handling the issue and not Washington. Let the states fight it out in their legislatures. Let the tyranny of the majority run amuck in statehouses, not in Congress. That creates a net level of happier people overall when their state rules as they see fit, versus one-size-fits all. Abortion is the perfect 50-50 issue, and example of the benefit of a republican (not party) solution. If you force it to be illegal, or legal, federally, and force everyone to allow it, or outlaw it, either way, you end up with 50% of people MAD, unhappy, disgruntled, etc. Let each individual state decide, and you will have maybe 10% of people unhappy in California, and 10% unhappy in NY, and maybe 20% unhappy in SC, to whatever extent the issue breaks among the states. BUT, overall, you have a national average of maybe 25% of people unhappy with their local abortion law (on average), versus 50% of people unhappy with a uniform, national abortion law. THIS is the benefit of a republic over a federal democracy. This is how national "issues" should be diffused and handled.
We saw it with covid as well. States handled the drastic measures, not Washington. Washington just threw money around mostly. And overall more people were satisfied with the response because the response was local, not federal. Biden walks in and tries to force national measures, and he hit a brick wall. So there is hope, but we have to see beyond the issues to the system we have. But until we have Congressional term limits, or force politicians to live within OUR MEANS, we're on a bad path that doesn't end well.
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The sweet, sweet irony is that Trump IS the system.
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He blocked the DOJ from going after Hillary and Bill.
He jacked up the national debt long before COVID.
Pelosi had him wrapped around her finger when it came to budgets; he didn't get zip out of them and signed everything she sent.
He was the driving force behind lockdowns (even battled DeSantis/Abbott on them), and enabled Fauci every step of the way without lifting a finger to dial him back in.
He reauthorized Deep State powers and did ZERO to reform it.
He was in lockstep with Democrats on their gun control agenda, siding with them on bump stocks, background checks, waiting periods, and assault weapon bans.
And, all of his regulatory reform were paper thin.
And this is on top of being tied to Espstein, and in general, being a typical New York Liberal Pervert.
But, "muh taxes" and "he fites," so people just assume he's some populist hero as opposed to yet another Establishment cog.
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Re: The sweet, sweet irony is that Trump IS the system.
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He blocked the DOJ from going after Hillary and Bill.
He jacked up the national debt long before COVID.
Pelosi had him wrapped around her finger when it came to budgets; he didn't get zip out of them and signed everything she sent.
He was the driving force behind lockdowns (even battled DeSantis/Abbott on them), and enabled Fauci every step of the way without lifting a finger to dial him back in.
He reauthorized Deep State powers and did ZERO to reform it.
He was in lockstep with Democrats on their gun control agenda, siding with them on bump stocks, background checks, waiting periods, and assault weapon bans.
And, all of his regulatory reform were paper thin.
And this is on top of being tied to Espstein, and in general, being a typical New York Liberal Pervert.
But, "muh taxes" and "he fites," so people just assume he's some populist hero as opposed to yet another Establishment cog.
Well said! I'm probably going to steal some of these comments.
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Trump was pro-abortion, so yes, DeSantis would be better.***
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Trump is in favor
Jan 16, 2024, 8:43 AM
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of probably bans for 2nd trimester and beyond, with exceptions for rape, incest, life, health of mother.
And he appointed 3 pro-life SC justices.
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He's not.
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But he did a good job of convincing y'all he is.
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Trump has long-standing, firm beliefs
Jan 16, 2024, 9:17 AM
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in whatever gets him the most votes this week.
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They almost go as far as back as when he was a Democrat***
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If I ever ran for President I would say that's an issue for
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the states, and I would have said that from the day of the Roe v. Wade ruling, up until this post, and tomorrow, and probably until I die. If forced into a corner, I'd say I'm against it (personally), but I'm powerless to make any difference anyway, I'm just the President. Take it up with your local state representatives. And if it was still a federal issue, I'd veto ANY abortion bill that touched my oval office desk, whether I liked it or disliked it. That would be a campaign promise btw, and I'd be glad to be held to it. That includes funding, or defunding. ANYTHING. Congress can be free to override my veto (they couldn't). And that's about all a President could, and should do on that issue, IMO.
But hey, no one who has occupied the White House in my lifetime would ever do that. And Congress would stick feeding starving children in it, and homeless shelters, and puppy healthcare, and infant formula subsidies, tank funding for the Army, and whatever else so when I veto their PRO OR ANTI-ABORTION BILL, I'd be kicking homeless people, starving babies, and killing innocent people. And I'd respond by asking Congress to remove abortion from their funding bill and I will consider funding on a SPECIFIC basis. Congress has passed like a single digit number of bills this past year. A record low. If I ran the show Congress would be passing MANY bills, as I'd veto so many they'd be forced to address issues in a specific manner, or override my vetoes. I'd force them to do their job. And we'd probably suffer, and I'd never be reelected. And that would be fine as reelection is not my objective.
And again, 47 years into this system we have and there was only one period of time, under one President, where the budget was EVER balanced. Clinton, and ONLY when he had the line item veto. That connection is never made by the way. But without it, I would be a veto machine as President. You give me a tank funding bill, or infantry funding bill, and I'll sign it. Give me some crap stuffed with pork, it's shitcanned. And every time I'm attacked, and that would be constant, I'd just remind people exactly WHAT Congress had in the bill, and I'd be happy to sign specific funding bills, but will never sign bills filled with pork or what I consider state issues.
People like me never win, or even run, and as a result, we all will win (that's the expensive and unfundable promise), until we all lose.
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Re: How is DeSantis Trump lite?
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Aside from copying a lot of Trump's ideology, he seems to want to legislate off both vengefulness and populism. He's also anti-free market and pro-big government, just like Trump.
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DeSantis
Jan 16, 2024, 8:47 AM
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is probably some closer to federalism than Trump.
Can you cite legislating vengefulness and populism?
What do you mean by "anti-free market and pro-big government"?
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Re: DeSantis
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-Vengefulness of Disney which is also an example of the anti-free market and pro-big government. It was absolute potential #### job to Florida citizens and the economy over a personal grudge he had.
-He's exerted the power of his office over more local realms. Electors in counties and school boards should make decisions that benefit their constituents; big government moves that favor only one segment of the population alienates voters and highlights the problems of big government.
I'll use a Dem example: Biden's egregious overreach over businesses with his vaccine mandate/punishment (which thankfully got shot down by the SCOTUS). A president shouldn't have such authority over businesses; a governor shouldn't be mandating local government because he thinks something is "woke".
Now don't do what you usually do and ignore an example that you know you agree with me on it.
But let's also look at his platform on just China (pulled from his website):
-His plan against China sounds nice; I mean, we will need to be able to take them head to head in the coming years if they get stupid. But everything he suggests in there calls for more spending.
-He wants to create another office--more bureaucracy--to counter China's economy.
-Wants to regulate trade policies similar to Trump--in other words, against the free market.
-He harps a lot on China--a whole lot--but all of these measures he suggests will require a strongarm presidency, big government policies, and a restriction on the market. Some may say that's necessary to battle China, but it's far from conservative or small government.
Economically? Let's look.
-"Prevent California and faceless bureaucrats from setting America's environmental standards." Okay... but shouldn't California be allowed to set its own standards?
-The rest sounds nice in a lot of areas, especially pulling back restrictions made by Democrats. But they also sound a lot like they'll have to come in the shape of Executive Orders... which is how we got into these big government decisions in the first place.
Finally, people who knew DeSantis long before he held office describe how vengeful and cruel he could be. He's used the Florida budget to reward people who support him and punish those who don't. And while y'all thought the flying of immigrants to other states was cute, it cost taxpayers millions. Very conservative.
DeSantis has fallen into the same trap as Trump because he foolishly believes most of America wants it: He thinks it's okay to reward and build up less than one half of America while screwing over the other half because "#### your feelings," I guess.
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Re: DeSantis
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-Vengefulness of Disney which is also an example of the anti-free market and pro-big government. It was absolute potential #### job to Florida citizens and the economy over a personal grudge he had.
That is an incorrect take on what happened. Disney declared its intent to fight to overturn legislation passed to limit the corruption of education in FL through promoting LGBT propaganda. The legislature then passed a bill to dissolve Reedy Creek (which was a special gubmint carve-out for Disney) which it was fully empowered to do, and DeSantis signed it into law. Legislating in the interest of FL children is not the same thing as a "personal grudge."
Putting Disney on level ground with Universal Studios and Sea World, etc. is hardly big-govt. It is also the opposite of anti-free market.
-He's exerted the power of his office over more local realms. Electors in counties and school boards should make decisions that benefit their constituents; big government moves that favor only one segment of the population alienates voters and highlights the problems of big government.
-His plan against China sounds nice; I mean, we will need to be able to take them head to head in the coming years if they get stupid. But everything he suggests in there calls for more spending.
-He wants to create another office--more bureaucracy--to counter China's economy.
-Wants to regulate trade policies similar to Trump--in other words, against the free market.
-He harps a lot on China--a whole lot--but all of these measures he suggests will require a strongarm presidency, big government policies, and a restriction on the market. Some may say that's necessary to battle China, but it's far from conservative or small government.
Dealing with China's economic leverage over strategic manufacturing issues and intellectual property theft is a legitimate function of the fed gubmint. To be at the mercy of the chicoms for weapons components or strategically important infrastructure components like electicral transformers, etc. fall within the purview of the president's responsiblity as Commander in Chief. Protecting intellectual property, I think, is also an exectuive function. At least the enforcement of US laws would be.
Economically? Let's look.
-"Prevent California and faceless bureaucrats from setting America's environmental standards." Okay... but shouldn't California be allowed to set its own standards?
Did he say he would stop California from setting its own standards, or just to not allow the federal bureaucracy to piggyback onto Cal standards for the rest of the states?
-The rest sounds nice in a lot of areas, especially pulling back restrictions made by Democrats. But they also sound a lot like they'll have to come in the shape of Executive Orders... which is how we got into these big government decisions in the first place.
Finally, people who knew DeSantis long before he held office describe how vengeful and cruel he could be. He's used the Florida budget to reward people who support him and punish those who don't. And while y'all thought the flying of immigrants to other states was cute, it cost taxpayers millions. Very conservative.
People say a lot of things. People said Reagan was going to start WWIII.
No doubt flying illegals out of FL was a net win, economically, given that most of them would end up on welfare.
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This is exactly right.
Jan 17, 2024, 10:10 AM
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Trump will get all of DeSantis and Vivek’s votes.
The pub ticket is a race of Nikki representing the GOP and Trump representing anti-establishment
I don’t think it’ll be close.
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
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Unfortunately, it's not a race.
Nikki will do reasonably well in NH and SC, but is very iffy to win in any of those places.
DeSantis will do poorly in NH, come in 3rd if he's still in the race, and if still in the race when SC rolls around, 3rd again.
Vivek's votes go to Trump.
Trump will be the nominee barring something very unusual and may win the general because Biden sucks so bad.
Good times.
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Its crazy to me that so many people today would vote for someone like Trump.
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Jan 16, 2024, 8:22 AM
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I voted for him twice before, but after his horrible conduct as president, including pushing the stolen election lie (and continuing to!), I’m not voting for him again.
The fact that he faces multiple charges in court doesn’t help either.
But most people don’t seem to care. In fact, they like those things about him and think he would be a great president. I don’t get it. It makes me sad for our country (so did electing someone like Biden).
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CU Medallion [58424]
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That's me, almost exactly.
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Jan 16, 2024, 9:02 AM
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For the most part, I liked Trump as president. But his election denial was/is a deal breaker. That, combined with the 3-ring circus that will inevitably (rightly or wrongly) follow him, make him unfit as far as I'm concerned. The idea that he and Biden are the best we can do is disturbing.
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Congrats, you are exhibit A.***
Jan 16, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
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Jan 16, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Your take on the outcome is technically correct, but Trump's 30-point win is the largest ever in IA. While anecdotal, the turnout was low due to the weather, and this helped Trump because most of his supporters would, as they say, crawl over a mile of broken glass to vote for him. So, the outcome is really no surprise. Also, if just 5% of Vivek's votes went to Trump, he would have enjoyed a 35-point win ... even more historic!
One final note: Haley did not win one county, but she performed best in urban areas with college towns, which tells you everything you need to know about her supporters. They are far more moderate, and moderate Republicans, aka RINO's, have helped the Democrats get this country into a financial mess by driving the national debt to $34 Trillion ... and could reach $50 Trillion by 2030. I don't believe there is an acceptable way out of this, but allowing millions of illegals into the country and completely supporting them is not sustainable ... and taking us in the wrong direction. If there is a way out, only Trump has the ability to find that trap door.
GOD bless the U.S.
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All-TigerNet [11207]
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DJT aint doing anything that is not in his own interest.
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Jan 16, 2024, 8:50 AM
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Only trap door he’s looking for is one to escape prosecution.
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Are you just going to ignore Trumps fiscal record while in office?...
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Jan 16, 2024, 9:06 AM
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He didn't do a gotdang thing to slow the growth of Federal gov or to correct the structural budget issues.
Also, I'm not sure how much historical primary/caucus results mean in the context of this current race. there hasn't been a real challenge to an incumbent (or incumbent-like with Trump) in recent history.
Also, your thoughts on "moderate Republicans" are oft-repeated, but foolish and inaccurate.
And perhaps urban areas are less appreciative of Trump's prior performance in office, his Jan 6 actions/inactions, and his continual lies on the election results.
And I think Haley did win Johnson County.
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Why are you assuming that raventiger is pro-gun capitalist who likes fiscal
Jan 16, 2024, 9:12 AM
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restraint and limited government interference over both the private sector and our individual lives?
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
Jan 17, 2024, 7:39 AM
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The disdain out of Trumpies for college grads is laughable, especially from college grads. Those blue collar fellas without degrees dislike you just as much, pal.
Just more of the Trumpist push to fascism: the hatred of intellect. Seriously, look it up. That's a sign of it.
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
Jan 16, 2024, 8:57 AM
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It's already down to ONE
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Yeah. Epstein's boy.***
Jan 16, 2024, 8:57 AM
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
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Jan 16, 2024, 8:58 AM
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haley is begging democrats to come vote for her in NH
a mccain move
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Half the Republican voters don't want Trump but it also looks like it doesn't
Jan 16, 2024, 9:30 AM
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matter because neither DeSantis nor Haley are going to get that full 50% of non-Trump GOP voters. The math just ain't there as Trump has surpassed that magic 50% margin and has all but secured the nomination.
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Vivek should be dropping out soon and any support he has will definitely go to Trump. Essentially Vivek is a mirror of Trump and when he drops out you can be assured he will endorse Trump.
If DeSantis drops out - at least half or more of his supporters will probably go to Trump or no one at all. DeSantis is perceived to be more aligned with Trump than Haley and a lot of DeSantis supporters won't vote for the Republican Inc. candidate (Haley). Trump's lead will likely increase not decrease with DeSantis leaving the contest.
At this point Haley is the Republican Inc. candidate and I see no path for her garnering enough Republican votes to get the nomination. Republican Inc. is almost despised as much as the Democrats by the base GOP voter and any candidate that has their endorsement (or perceived endorsement) is not going to move the needle beyond 25%. The majority of GOP voters simply no longer trust Republican Inc. (or their candidates) as they have spent decades promising one thing only to acquiesce to the Democrats or ignore those promises in office. If Haley drops out and DeSantis is still in - maybe a small percentage will go to him but I see most of her support finding no suitable primary candidate left and will likely sit out the rest of the Republican primaries.
The only way this may get interesting is if DeSantis and Haley quickly join forces as a ticket candidacy - one of them as the Presidential candidate and the other as their VP running mate. But that would require one of them to put their ego in check and swallow their pride which I don't see happening. Furthermore even a Haley/DeSantis or DeSantis/Haley ticket is probably not enough to get them over 50% to beat Trump at this point.
I hate where we are but the reality is we are staring at a Biden vs Trump part II general election come November.
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All-TigerNet [12249]
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Welp - Just checked the headlines and Vivek did drop out and is endorsing Trump
Jan 16, 2024, 9:36 AM
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No surprise there.... If Vivek's support boosts Trump to over 55% this thing is well past over...
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Haley on any ticket, including Trump's as VP is a no go
Jan 16, 2024, 10:17 AM
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for many, including myself. Anyone that wants to raise the age for social security is an automatic no go for me. Raising age for men and minorities, means that unless they file for disability, they will never see a dime of the money they paid into social security. Men and minorities don't live as long. Who the hell can work a physical job at 68. 69, 70? Screw that.
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Who the hell is not in management by 68, 69, 70?
Jan 16, 2024, 12:28 PM
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I thought minimum wage wasn't suppose to be for life
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Don't worry... You paper pushers gonna find out about A.I. real soon.***
Jan 16, 2024, 1:15 PM
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All-In [46825]
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Like yall already found out about robots***
Jan 16, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Not me, but that may be the resurrection of our industrial base.
Jan 16, 2024, 1:22 PM
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There are NUMEROUS professions that will see the onset of A.I. as problematic to their jobs.
All this talk about the 'new' jobs it will create is "kicking the can down the road"...
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How would you feel about fazing out SS all together?***
Jan 17, 2024, 10:14 AM
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I found her statement last night about the Republican Primary now being
Jan 16, 2024, 1:47 PM
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a "two person race" to be somewhat bizarre. I assume she realizes she came in 3rd place and that a two person race wouldn't include her??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBUv8Hk990Q
If Nikki remains in this thing through the SC primary (24 February) and gets boatraced by Trump (RCP has him at 52% - up by 30 points over Haley) - that is going to be devastating to her campaign and somewhat of a public embarrassment. There is just no way to spin a former SC Governor that loses that bad in her home State...
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Yep. Just ask Jeb...***
Jan 16, 2024, 11:34 PM
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110%er [9029]
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Re: So almost half of Iowa GOP primary voters...
Jan 16, 2024, 10:15 AM
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nikki and deshonest wasting money and killing their support for 2028
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Do you care?***
Jan 17, 2024, 10:17 AM
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