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Penn State screws up again.


Jul 15, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Joe Paterno statue to stay on Penn State campus for now, sources say
Published Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 6:40 pm EDT Last updated 21 hours and 15 minutes ago
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Join the conversation Text size A A A The Penn State Board of Trustees will not order the removal of Joe Paterno’s statue, at least not in the immediate future and maybe not ever, sources close to the trustees’ private discussions have told ESPN.com.

The trustees do not want to succumb to emotional outcries and media pressure to have the bronze statue taken down. They also are sensitive to the many alumni and students who hold on to adoration for the man who was a part of the program for 61 years.

Olson: Paterno exposed as Penn State's Cowardly Lion

Paterno’s role in the cover-up for convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky, as alleged in the Freeh Report this week, makes the statue for so many a painful and infuriating reminder of Paterno’s abject failure to protect the innocence of Sandusky’s victims.

“You can’t let people stampede you into making a rash decision,” a trustee told ESPN.com. “The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn’t represent the bad that he did.”

According to ESPN.com, some trustees believed the statue eventually would have to be torn down. However, most reached the consensus that it should remain standing for now. Some, sources said, insisted that it should never be removed.

“It has to stay up,” a trustee told the website. “We have to let a number of months pass, and we’ll address it again. But there is no way, no way. It’s just not coming down.”

Paterno’s contemporary, former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden, is among the most influential voices insisting the statue has no place on campus.


“You go to a Penn State football game and there’s 100,000 people down there and they see that statue and you know doggone well they’ll start talking about Sandusky,” Bowden told The Associated Press. “If it was me, I wouldn’t want to have it brought up every time I walked out on the field.”

Paterno, along with president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz, knew of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, the Freeh report claims. Paterno also dissuaded administrators from exposing Sandusky after he was seen ###### a young boy in the shower in 2001, the internal investigation concluded.

At the same time, Paterno and his family donated more than $4 million to the university and coached hundreds of football players to victories achieved on and off the field. His 409 career wins is more than any coach in major college football—eclipsing the record held by the late Grambling State coach Eddie Robinson just before Sandusky was arrested.

On Saturday, the New York Times reported that in the same month Paterno testified before a grand jury, he began negotiating to amend his contract. He would be paid $5.5 million and his tenure would end at the conclusion of the 2011 season. His original contract had him coaching through the 2012 season. Paterno died Jan. 22 of this year.

The Paterno statue outside Beaver Stadium is being closely guarded by security these days, with rumors abound that the campus police will tear down the statue in the dark of night.

Trustees chairwoman Karen Peetz acknowledged that the statue is a “very sensitive topic.” She said the decision would not fall solely on the board, either. The board fired Paterno over the phone in November, a move that resulted in outrage among the Penn State community.

This time, if and when the statue comes down, it will be after careful consideration. Nike didn’t wait, removing Paterno’s name from its child development center. On Saturday, the halo atop Paterno’s head on the Heister Street mural was painted over by an artist, ESPN.com reports. The Lasch Building locker rooms, where Sandusky committed many of his crimes, will eventually be renovated.

As for the statute, a permanent decision will be made in due time.

Said trustee Ken Frazier: “I think we have to take some time, some reflection and distance before making a decision on how we will think about Joe Paterno’s entire life and body of work.”

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good, they should absolutely keep the statue


Jul 16, 2012, 12:39 AM
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Paterno, in my opinion, is more of a tragic figure than a villain. He found it difficult to believe that someone close to him, like Sandusky, could be guilty of the crimes that were rumored to have occurred. He followed the procedures set in place, and even took some precautions about keeping Sandusky out of leadership, but he probably had no idea about the extent of Sandusky's depravity. In many ways, you could look at what went on and see a man whose trust was taken advantage of, and who now suffers some of the blame for Sandusky's association with Penn State, and his use of Penn State's facilities to commit crimes. As anyone would have, he did not want what turned out to be true to be true, and he felt unqualified to judge whether it was. He relied on the school's procedures rather than taking things into his own, rather powerful, hands, and because he didn't do enough some terrible things happened.

But is that really enough to conclude, as we're being told to and Penn State is being told to, that he and others in the program just didn't care that these things were going on? Can we conclude from the fact that a criminal investigation uncovered that Sandusky was an active pedophile, and that Paterno may have known about an earlier investigation in which Sandusky was cleared, that Paterno cared more about his football program than protecting young boys from a predator? Or ought we rather to grant him some common humanity, to say that, although in hindsight Paterno should have been more inquisitive and prohibitive, he was in some sense a victim of a certain kind of frailty which we all have?

When things like this happen, things that are obviously beyond reprehensible, which should never happen and which we should all work to prevent from happening, I think everyone wants to look for scapegoats in order to absolve our common link with those who we believe have failed. Paterno should have kept Sandusky away from Penn State, he should have made it his business to know more about the rumors he heard, and he certainly shouldn't have said he didn't know about the 1998 investigation into Sandusky's behavior. We would like to think there's an especially corrupt culture at Penn State that seeks to hide its criminals from the public, which we would certainly never do. But, with incomplete information and hearsay evidence about Sandusky, someone with whom he (and others at Penn State) were well acquainted, did he really want to suggest that Sandusky was a criminal pedophile? Why would Paterno believe something so awful about someone who insisted these things weren't true, and who had been cleared of them in the past?

You don't have to believe something sinister was perpetrated by Paterno and others in leadership at PSU to also believe that they should have done more, and that they share some of Sandusky's guilt for having, probably unwittingly, facilitated some of his crimes. You can also look at Paterno as tragic (which doesn't mean he's sympathetic) in that his fall from grace was brought on by his trust in the system, and his trust in Sandusky, to keep things like this from happening. He doesn't really deserve to be exiled, and this tragedy doesn't erase everything else he did, or the fact that he made Penn State into a football power.

Leave the statue; don't forget that even Paterno, a good man, was inadequate to the task of keeping someone else from doing terrible things; seek justice for Sandusky's victims; move forward with knowledge of the tragedy.

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Re: good, they should absolutely keep the statue


Jul 16, 2012, 12:49 AM
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so if one of your trusted employees came into your office and said he saw a man ###### a child in your place of business, it would make you a tragic figure for failing to follow up on that?

Did you hear me, a grown man raped a child?

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You act like Sandusky said


Jul 16, 2012, 1:34 AM
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"Yeah, I raped the kid, and I'll be ###### my adopted son as soon as I can get a bar of soap and some warm water, what you gonna do about it Joe?".

I'm sure he said something more along the lines of, "Are you joking?? He said he saw me doing WHAT?!?" You've known me for 20 years, You KNOW I could never....bla bla bla.

Stop making Joe Pa out to be the freakin rapist. Why is it not enough to hate on Sandusky? I mean...It is HIS fault HE raped young boys. Not yours, mine, obamas, or JoePas. Thats all sandusky.

Funny how hindsight is crystal clear EVERY time isnt it?

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Re: You act like Sandusky said


Jul 16, 2012, 1:46 AM
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What Paterno did was to cover for his friend and let many other boys be abused. I dont think I could live with myself knowing that I did something to aid in the sexual abuse of children.

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Re: You act like Sandusky said


Jul 16, 2012, 2:45 AM
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Paterno obviously could not live with himself when it hit the fan. his legacy is tarnished.

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Paterno never once spoke to Sandusky about


Jul 16, 2012, 1:49 AM [ in reply to You act like Sandusky said ]
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any of the allegations. Neither did Penn St.

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Re: Paterno never once spoke to Sandusky about


Jul 16, 2012, 7:12 AM
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..about what he was accused of. That is simply beyond human nature, and I have run that scenario past quite a few people, almost none of whom care anything about sports, and they say Paterno had to be lying. To any sane person in a position of authority, you would have to confront the person. Think of it like this; one person on your staff accuses another of *child rape*, and you say you never question the accused, but yet both people remain on your staff????? Someone would have to go, either the one who made the false charge, or the one who committed the act, but there's no way you keep both. Paterno may not have participated in the child rape, although I am not 100% sure of that, but at the very least he was Sandusky's pimp.

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He gave McQueary a job. Kept Sandusky and hired the GA.***


Jul 16, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Paterno wasn't the one who raped the kid, but he


Jul 16, 2012, 1:57 AM [ in reply to You act like Sandusky said ]
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purposely concealed and hid facts that could've led to stopping Sandusky long before many other boys were raped. The reason he did this? Not b/c he was unsure of what was going on or didn't understand the magnitude of the allegations, but he did it to cover his own a$$. His letters and emails spell it all out. Joepa might not be the rapist, but what he did just shows what a despicable human being he really was.

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Joe knew about it in 1998 when the first allegation


Jul 16, 2012, 8:10 AM [ in reply to You act like Sandusky said ]
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arose and again in 2001. Once is one thing, twice is something you look into. I think he got off easy by dying so soon.

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Re: Joe knew about it in 1998 when the first allegation- JS


Jul 16, 2012, 8:22 AM
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I think he didnt just up and retire in 98 as heir apparent. I would believe he was cut loose because of his activities. He kept his Penn State access which he used to lure victims. He was never seriously approached about another job afterward which tells me word got out in coaching circles too about his antics.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good


Jul 16, 2012, 9:35 AM [ in reply to You act like Sandusky said ]
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men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

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Don't look up, because....


Jul 16, 2012, 10:41 AM [ in reply to You act like Sandusky said ]
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your opinion is losing in a landslide.

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^^^+1***


Jul 16, 2012, 1:19 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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You obviously haven't read 1 page of the Freeh report


Jul 16, 2012, 1:40 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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Joe Paterno not only new what was going on, he knew what the consequences of what was happening would mean to him and his football program. In response to this he knowingly concealed and hid key facts to the allegations from the public and authorities in order to protect the football program. Paterno also was the one who interviened with Senior leaders to stop them from going to authorities after the McQueary revelation. There are various notes and emails to verify this took place. There is also ample evidence Paterno lied to a grand jury

You may say that Paterno didn't want to believe Sandusky was guilty of these crimes, but I think it is more of a case that you don't want to believe that Paterno isn't quite the person that you thought he was! Facts are facts and it's all right here:

http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/

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Youre right, I'm on page 30


Jul 16, 2012, 7:43 AM
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"Curley emails Schultz and Spanier and says he [Curley] has changed his mind about the plan “after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe [Paterno] yesterday.” Curley now proposes to tell Sandusky “we feel there is a problem” and offer him “professional help.” “If he is cooperative we would work with him to handle informing” the Second Mile; if Sandusky does not cooperate, “we don’t have a choice and will inform” DPW and the Second Mile. “Additionally, I will let him know that his guests are not permitted to use our facilities.”

So you say, with what appears to be total speculation, that Joe somehow manipulated his boss, to lay it all on the line for Sandusky?? Do you think Curley is that dumb? Curley did it because thats what HE thought was the best move at the time. This was OBVIOUSLY a bad move.

From what I read, Joe wasnt covering anything up. He told his bosses about it, Curley reviewed the situation and decided to "play it by ear". Why do you expect Joe to go over his bosses to the media on a scandal as big as this? You expect Joe Paterno, the man who made Penn State Football, to kill it? Really? After reading this I also cant understand how anyone could think this was all Paternos fault. He is mentioned waaaaay less than his bosses and their correspondance.

If I'm missing something...a quote from Joe Pa that implicates him any further, I'd love to read it. All I'm saying is that Joe Pa wasnt a rapist, and if they want a statue of the winningest coach in college football history in front of thier stadium...thats fine by me.

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I read the whole thing


Jul 16, 2012, 12:36 PM [ in reply to You obviously haven't read 1 page of the Freeh report ]
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There's nothing that can prove Paterno covered up anything he actually knew about, and it takes a lot of assumptions to believe that he either knew what Sandusky was doing or that he actually tried to keep any of the rumors from coming to light.

It seems to me Freeh assumes the worst, which might simply reflect the furthest PSU can go to expiate itself from whatever responsibility it has in this sitation. That's why I called Paterno a scapegoat for a failure that could happen anywhere, whatever the procedures were.

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Re: good, they should absolutely keep the statue


Jul 16, 2012, 7:33 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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Are you serious? Paterno covered for a child molester. May he burn in he##.

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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.


I agree


Jul 16, 2012, 7:44 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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no way should that statue bre torn down...goodness that man did more good for that school than anybody ever will

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Re: good, they should absolutely keep the statue


Jul 16, 2012, 8:17 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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The statue should stay, but along with the statue should be a memorial/reminder/historic item of the same significance that shows everything that went along with the program. JoePa might not have commited these atrocities, but he is just as guilty for having allowed them to continue, along with the rest of the authorities implicated in this situation. Let Penn State always remind those that will go/ have gone that these events were just as much a part of PSU's history as the good things that JoePa did.

These are/ were children. This is a trust and a responsibility that cannot be broken.

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This may have played a role in Paterno's thinking


Jul 16, 2012, 9:30 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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Penn State's W/L record during the years in question:

1995: 9-3
1996: 11-2
1997: 9-3
1998: 9-3
1999: 10-3
2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6

In the late 90's, Penn State was a national power. I believe that Paterno would want to do everything he could to protect that brand, leading to the initial cover-up.

2001 rolls around and the McQueary incident occurs. At this point in time, the "Joe Must Go" sentiment is gaining popularity at Penn State. I Penn State's record made Paterno even more desperate to make sure this all remained covered up.

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a statue is something that people normally look at with joy


Jul 16, 2012, 10:59 AM [ in reply to good, they should absolutely keep the statue ]
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and good memories.

that will not happen with joe's statue. if it stays up, people will eventually protest. There's plenty of people that will be absolutely furious about it, and I don't blame them.

no he didn't actually molest anyone, but he could've stopped it a long time ago. he didn't. that erases any thing he did in his 60 years on the field. that's just the way it is.

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Look at this...................and decide.


Jul 16, 2012, 1:56 AM
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HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- If he were alive today, Joe Paterno - the coach who stood for so long for character and integrity both on and off the football field - could be looking at charges such as child endangerment, perjury and conspiracy.

Legal experts said emails and other evidence in the Penn State investigative report released Thursday suggest that Paterno may have misled a grand jury when asked when he first heard about Jerry Sandusky's misconduct, and show that Paterno and other university officials put boys in danger with their failure to report sexual abuse allegations against Sandusky more than a decade ago.

Duquesne University law professor Wes Oliver said the report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh reads like a prosecution case for a child endangerment charge against Paterno, then-President Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and now-retired vice president Gary Schultz. Oliver noted that a former top official in the Philadelphia Archdiocese was convicted of that charge in June for allowing a suspected pedophile priest to be around children.

"If you look at what happened here, it's very clear that they were aware that they had a pedophile on their campus," Oliver said.

Will Spade, a former Philadelphia prosecutor who worked on a grand jury investigation of priests about a decade ago, agreed: "Spanier, Paterno, Schultz and Curley are arguably responsible for endangering all of those kids that were abused later."

So far, the only two figures arrested in the alleged cover-up are Curley and Schultz. They were charged last fall with perjury and failure to report suspected child abuse and are awaiting trial. They have denied any wrongdoing.

Spanier, who was ousted as Penn State president over the scandal, has not been charged, but a grand jury continues to investigate. Paterno died in January of lung cancer at 85.

Paterno family spokesman Dan McGinn declined to comment on the criminal legal issues on Friday.

At the very least, the Freeh report provides powerful ammunition to Sandusky victims looking to sue the university or Paterno's estate.

The report said that Paterno and the other university officials hushed up child sexual abuse allegations against Sandusky in 2001 for fear of bad publicity. Asked on Thursday whether the actions of the four men amounted to a crime such as conspiracy or obstruction, Freeh said that would be for a grand jury to decide. But the former FBI chief and federal judge said the evidence shows "an active agreement to conceal."

Freeh described Paterno as "an integral part" of that agreement. According to his report, Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Public Welfare in 2001. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."

The report also called into question the truthfulness of Paterno's grand jury testimony last year, when he was asked whether he knew of any abuse allegations against Sandusky before the 2001 episode in which Sandusky was spotted assaulting a boy in the locker room showers.

"I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no," Paterno testified in a grand jury appearance that lasted only a few minutes. He added that a rumor "may have been discussed in my presence, something else about somebody. I don't know. I don't remember, and I could not honestly say I heard a rumor."

But emails published in the Freeh report suggest Paterno closely followed a 1998 police investigation of Sandusky that ended without charges. In an email captioned "Jerry," Curley asked Schultz: "Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

Paterno, "were he alive, he would probably be scrutinized right now, as we speak, by a grand jury," said Jeff Anderson, a lawyer who represents a young man suing Sandusky, Penn State and Sandusky's charity over claims of sexual abuse. "When he did give testimony, now revealed to have been dubious at best and false on its face, that is illegal perjury because it was given under oath. So he is exposed."

Perjury, though, is rarely charged and is famously difficult to prove at trial. A jury has to find corroborating evidence of the falsehood, and the lie has to be intentional, not a simple misstatement. In Paterno's case, prosecutors would have had to prove that Paterno had not simply forgotten about the 1998 investigation, according to University of Pennsylvania law professor Chris Sanchirico.

When the scandal broke wide open last November, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly said Paterno was not an investigative target. On Friday, Kelly spokesman Nils Frederiksen refused to discuss the investigation, citing the confidentiality of grand jury proceedings.

Spanier's lawyers had no comment Friday but have denied he knowingly covered up Sandusky's crimes.

On the civil side, Paterno's role in the scandal could expose his estate to liability, said Altoona lawyer Richard Serbin, who has pursued lawsuits against the Roman Catholic Church and other institutions in Pennsylvania for the past 25 years. Paterno was considerably wealthy; he and his wife donated millions to the university, and in April the school paid millions in retirement benefits to his family and estate.

"When a responsible party passes away, that does not mean to say their wrongful conduct is excused by death," said Serbin, who does not represent any of Sandusky's victims. "Their estate becomes the representative of that person, and assets of their estate ... remain exposed to any verdict or judgment."

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ummm...I read the report, and this is an OPINION piece


Jul 16, 2012, 7:57 AM
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but heres my favorite part, at worst Joe is guilty of perjury.

"Perjury, though, is rarely charged and is famously difficult to prove at trial. A jury has to find corroborating evidence of the falsehood, and the lie has to be intentional, not a simple misstatement. In Paterno's case, prosecutors would have had to prove that Paterno had not simply forgotten about the 1998 investigation, according to University of Pennsylvania law professor Chris Sanchirico."

so yeah, he "MAY" have mislead the grand jury. Or he MAY not have. Hes DEAD now which means its going to be really hard to get him to admit to it.

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Removing a statue DOES NOT..........


Jul 16, 2012, 7:25 AM
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Removing a statue DOES NOT bring back the innocense of the boys that were molested.

I was molested as a kid by multiple people for years, men and women. I can still remember the first time I was touched by my baby sitter (female) around the age of 5-6.

Taking down some #### statue, giving me money, strangers telling me they wish they could have done something about it etc etc WILL NEVER bring back the innocense I lost as a child nor will it remove the torment I have suffered for years with!

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Re: Removing a statue DOES NOT..........


Jul 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
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You are who you decide to be. No one else can decide for you, and nothing that they did will decide your future. It is still yours to make. In light of what happened, use it as best you are able to make someone else's life better.

Do not hold onto hate. It will do nothing to help you.

May you find peace in your life.

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There shouldn't be statues of individuals in the first place


Jul 16, 2012, 7:58 AM
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I wouldn't want a Frank Howard / Danny Ford statue at Clemson ... its about the school, not individuals.

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I heard they would be moving the statue


Jul 16, 2012, 8:07 AM
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from where it stands 180 degrees, so it will have Paterno looking the other way.

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Sick, making jokes about kids getting molested ****


Jul 16, 2012, 8:12 AM
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........

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I believe he's stating a fact


Jul 16, 2012, 10:56 AM
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Paterno was told what was going on, and he looked the other way (didn't stop it).

I don't think that was a molestation joke

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If your kid was molested, would it be funny?


Jul 16, 2012, 11:04 AM
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If you or one of your kids were molested, would the same joke be funny?

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^^^^ Very poor taste joke ******


Jul 16, 2012, 8:33 AM [ in reply to I heard they would be moving the statue ]
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Re: Penn State screws up again.


Jul 16, 2012, 8:16 AM
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It should come down but in a way when it remains it is a fittig tribute to his inaction regarding his friend

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It should come down just like this...


Jul 16, 2012, 8:32 AM
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Racism?


Jul 16, 2012, 10:04 AM
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Penn State got the Grand Jury hearings delayed so that joe pa could wrest the record from wins from Eddie Robinson. Think about it.

How many wins should be subtracted from this "tragic" figure's win total?

Also, the moral, ethical and legal acrobatics in the original post are impressive. Graduate of USC law school?

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Re: Penn State screws up again.


Jul 16, 2012, 10:47 AM
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Keep the statue, just put a blindfold on it.

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This direct quote from Louis Freeh is all I need to know..


Jul 16, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Freeh said in releasing his report that the investigation's "most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State."

"The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized," he said. "Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky's victims until after Sandusky's arrest."

>>Would you want that statue on YOUR campus after knowing that?

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