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The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
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Aug 24, 2023, 8:14 AM
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ND should not be leading discussions about expansion unless they are joining as a full member. Stanford and Cal make no sense to add. Yes, they both serve the same TV market, but who cares? SMU has been irrelevant for so long they don’t deserve an invite. Plus, with their history they belong in the SEC.
One other note of caution- beware how the money is split. Stanford might suck at football, but the rest of their sports are in the hunt for national championships. They have over 100 national championships. So the revenue split needs to be predicated on revenue sport performance, not total performance.
SEC should just trade the ACC. They give up Vandy, MS ST, Missouri, and SCar, they receive Clemson, FSU, Miami (or Va Tech if TV markets matter), and NC State.
Let’s face it, that would be better alignment for all involved.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
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Aug 24, 2023, 8:22 AM
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The ACC can’t make ND do anything… Swarbrick said just yesterday the only way they ever join a conference is if they don’t have a TV deal ( which they just signed) or have no path to participate in the CFP… as of now those are both covered and the ACC can’t do anything about it.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Exactly. So they can sit down and shut up when it comes to ACC business.
Not sure why they have a seat at the playoff table, no other single school does. The conferences should shut them out. Not like they have been relevant in the last 30+ years.
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Athletic Dir [871]
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Why? Because in college football the #1 driver on
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Aug 24, 2023, 8:37 AM
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anything is branding and TV reach. Hate them all you want, they are a legendary team and have as much overall reach and top notch branding as any school in the country. So, they have a seat at the table. Simple as that.
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Re: Why? Because in college football the #1 driver on
Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 AM
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Army is a legendary team too. Tons of reach and branding. They simply lost relevancy a couple of decades before ND. ND maintains mythical status due to PR, not on the field results. They get killed every time they play a major BCS or playoff game. The hype train is high and the results are low. But their PR team is world class. They belong in the history books with the service academies, not at the table with the big boys.
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Come on now. ND hasn't won titles in a long time
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Aug 24, 2023, 9:22 AM
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but theyve made a title game and 2 CFPs in the last decade or so. Army is a bottom tier FBS team that recently had a 14 game losing streak against Navy.
And what really matters here is that ND games average 4-4.5x more viewers than Army games and ND remains right around the top 5 in most watched CFB programs
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Athletic Dir [871]
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I think you are shorting them in the realm of relevancy
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Aug 24, 2023, 9:31 AM
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in terms of wins/losses and production, but even if you're right the rest of what you're saying is largely what modern day college football is about. It's about PR, branding and money, and ND still brings it in those regards. I'm unclear where your argument lies other than you don't like their ability to make their own way in football.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
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Aug 24, 2023, 8:43 AM
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When the 4 Power conferences go to 10 conference games and they can't put together a schedule problem will be solved.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 1:32 PM
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Now that could be the answer.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Every school in FBS has a seat at the playoff table.
Not individually.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Where did you see they signed a new TV contract? Also the CFP will be renegotiated for 2026. Don't be surprised if the SEC/B1G don't try to put pressure on ND.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 1:40 PM
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There is no new contract
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Careful what you wish for. If ND joins anyone as a full member it is going to be the B1G.
Having your own TV contract is where it's at. Hence, they won't give up independence in football until they are locked out of the championship or cannot find someone to renew their sweetheart deal.
Having a conference makes planning all of the olympic sports a lot easier, though. B1G is strong enough to say, "all or nothing." The ACC's only play was to agree to the friendzone.
Make no mistake though, when it comes down to it, the ACC schools that are left are going to be standing at the alter saying, "guys?" As ND shotguns a beer, and rolls the monster truck that is the B1G right over our used Civic of a conference.
The good news is that Clemson is a monster truck, too. We're just buried in used Civics currently. We'll be fine.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 8:54 AM
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They can't force ND to join, but can tell them that expansion is all about football, and on that subject, they have no say in the ACC.
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Orange Blooded [2849]
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You are forgetting
Aug 24, 2023, 10:12 AM
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If the Irish walk away from the ACC, they will have to find some place for their other sports to play. Would be pricey. I think the ACC is in a stronger position than most people think. Just have to have the balls to set up the meeting. ND, you want Stanford and Cal in the ACC? Then you get all in and it will be approved.
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With what leverage?
Aug 24, 2023, 9:02 AM
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They can tell ND that and then get laughed at.
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Orange Blooded [3663]
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Re: With what leverage?
Aug 24, 2023, 9:17 AM
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Exactly
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then let them laugh
Aug 24, 2023, 10:53 AM
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if they want cal and standord in so bad then join in football..if not then cry more about cal and stanformd
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 9:21 AM
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I have said that for years re: Vandy, etc. Too late now as the Super Conference realignment is right around the corner, but years ago I thought Vandy, KY, Usuck belonged in the basketball heavy ACC and Clemson, FSU and Miami belonged in the SEC. Never happen now but it made sense then and makes sense now.
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 9:42 AM
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The two most anti American way of life schools from California. They don’t even care about football. Makes zero sense from a geography standpoint. Just dumb. Honestly I would rather see the Tigers get an invite to the SEC or B1G. Not happy about that either but the fact that the ACC thought the deal with ESPN was good is mind blowing. The GOR and length is a disaster. Miami never lived up to expectations and really neither has VT. It’s a pickle.
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Athletic Dir [871]
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Really, Stanford is anti-American way of life? Jesus,
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Aug 24, 2023, 10:01 AM
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amazing what people actually believe. If you don't believe in education, opportunity and capitalism (yes, Stanford grads help drive the economy) then I guess you and I disagree on America.
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Constantly teaching values that go against
Aug 24, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Historical American and capitalist values then yes, the institution is pretty anti American. Cal is much worse, the liberal professors are by their own accord anti America or at least what American is supposed to be and or has been.
There are plenty of students who have left schools to go into professions to drive the economy but hold hypocritical beliefs of socialism and anti capitalism. The way they handle Covid in that state and those schools, the way any conservative thoughts is treated and put down in those schools and the way any kind of Christian talk (try and speak on campus a conservative or Christian belief and see what happens) is very anti American. All that said I believe the town of Clemson and the school was pretty bad as well in 2020 and 2021 with how they handled covid. I won’t even get into the of stuff during that time. But just my opinions, they are worthless except to me.
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The ACC has less than zero leverage with Notre Dame. The
Aug 24, 2023, 9:49 AM
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conference was presented with a golden opportunity in 2020 when they came begging, and as usual, fumbled the ball.
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ND will remain independent for the foreseeable future...
Aug 24, 2023, 9:51 AM
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particularly in light of the expanded playoff format.
That position will be even further solidified if ND manages to convince NBC to pay them $75 million annually for the new television broadcast rights agreement. The existing deal with the network is currently worth around $22 million per year and is will expire in 2025.
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Orange Blooded [2849]
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Exactly
Aug 24, 2023, 10:09 AM
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Nailed it
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Re: The ACC needs to tell ND to join as a full member
Aug 24, 2023, 10:23 AM
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How many times is someone gonna say ND should join
They’re not gonna join!!
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ND is irrelevant. We are in the minority on this one.
Aug 24, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Most of the ACC is screwed without finding a way to expand, so with or without ND, they are desperate and support whatever it takes to improve their chances of “survival.” ND having the power they have is annoying, but the ACC is the problem - which is also why we’ll never see any ultimatums from the ACC demanding ND do anything; the majority of the conference leaders and ND are completely aligned right now. We need to make a move as soon as possible, and endure flying across the country for a “marquee match up” with Cal 😴😴😴 for a couple years until that move can happen. Sucks, but not the end of the world.
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