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You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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Listen to this podcast. Not a guy throwing Cade under the bus. Just a guy giving his honest assessment of Cade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJYMVBlX6U
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Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Love the kid but it’s the truth.
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Played one season at 19yrs old. His OL sucked, no homerun RBs or WRs and we need a better QB. We saw the same under DJU, at this point it isnt on the QB. Did he make boneheaded plays, heck yes but I am not going to point fingers at him until the other stuff improves. All the good QBs this year were typically 5th and 6th yr guys, not true Sophomores.
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19/8 TD/int ratio, 64% comp%...
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those aren't bad #s, he!!uva lot better than DJU's sophomore 8/10 & 55% comp%
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Certainly QB was not our only issue but Cade
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processes things too slow. Plenty of times where he had time and took a sack. Plenty of times he never saw an open receiver because he never progressed past his first read. Never mind all of the head scratching plays he made. True he didn’t have a great supporting cast but it wasn’t all their fault either. So let me rephrase what I said and say that we need better QB play. Hopefully that play will come from Cade. Either way you can guarantee we will not be elite again until that happens. The kid can run and throw. Heck of an athlete so there’s hope.
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Re: Certainly QB was not our only issue but Cade
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Jan 22, 2024, 6:59 PM
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I agree. It's what you see him doing during the play that is worrisome. He hasn't shown an elite level of knowing what he is doing. Throwing etc, that wins in HS. College, he has to process more. Then NFL, huge jump in processing.
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Re: Certainly QB was not our only issue but Cade
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I agree that Cade needs to do a better job of seeing field and going through his reads faster. Also he needs to have his head on a swivel when those opposing defenders are rushing in on him.
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Cade and his development are the biggest issue, by far, facing our offense
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If he doesn’t grow we are going to be in a lot of close games where a critical turnover can cost us a game. Basically like all 4 losses this year.
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Re: Certainly QB was not our only issue but Cade
Jan 23, 2024, 7:40 AM
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O line definitely is below average or just average. WR are same, and QB. Just the facts folks. Cade is not NFL material and it shows. But neither is Shipley, what’s he thinking! Neither is anyone in the WR corps. Just not an elite offensive team.
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You will be proven wrong if Cade grows like a typical QB.
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Jan 23, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Everything else will open up. Cade can be every bit as good as Max Duggan and he’ll have more weapons than Max did. It’s truly just a matter of Cade taking that next step like 95% of QBs who develop by their 3rd year.
What you cited were opinions.. almost wholly based on the mediocre QB play of the last 3 seasons.
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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How can he improve if the line and wide receivers r average. Let’s also pour on the pile and say the play calling for the first 3 quarters sucked. I would say the offensive game plans were ultra conservative. Cades fault don’t think so
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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I think that Dabo has finally realized that most of our offensive problems over the past few years has been bc of the O lineman that we've brought in, and I think that is the biggest reason that Dabo had to fire his friend and hire one of the top O Line coaches in Matt Luke, and he had to talk him out of retirement to get him to Clemson. I sure would love to know what he had to promise Matt Luke to get him back into coaching, and especially getting him back to coaching at an ACC school...
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Matt Luke said there was only one school/coach that coukd bring him out of retirement and that was Clemson/Dabo. I think that apeaks highly of what Dabo does.
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Exactly gotta give him a chance....Jordan Travis took several years to develop. People have no patience and TL's & Watsons don't grow on trees.
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Jan 22, 2024, 6:46 PM
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I think you will get a much improved QB this year and his name will be Cade. He just needs some playing time and coaching. Got the playing time this year now coaching will come.
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Re: Yeah. We need a better QB if we want to win big.
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Jan 22, 2024, 6:55 PM
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While I do agree with you, it would be interesting to see just how good he could be behind a first class OL.
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Spring games don't usually reveal much....
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But it should show us enough to see whether QBCK has progressed to veteran status or still plays like a rookie.... I think he will take the next step on the field.... He's already a leader in the locker room....
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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we should go buy 2 big time WRs like free shoes did, suddenly the QB looks great
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
Jan 23, 2024, 7:42 AM
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That won't help much if Cade still is running for his life within 2 seconds.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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No offense but if you think we are worried about Cade I would be terrified of what FSU fans are thinking when it comes to DJ...he was benched for being worse than cade 🤣
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
Jan 23, 2024, 7:49 AM
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He really was worse than Cade.
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Spot on .***
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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Y’all got DJ playing QB id be more concerned about yalls own players
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Well if wagering, might be forced to take DJU over Cade
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Jan 22, 2024, 4:41 PM
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In terms of QBR, total TDs etc, in 2024.
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Re: Well if wagering, might be forced to take DJU over Cade
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But but but, let’s remember DJ is almost eligible for AARP.
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Re: Well if wagering, might be forced to take DJU over Cade
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You'd lose money. DJ will be playing teams with a pulse on defense several times this year as opposed to what he played against in the Pac. I'd wager DJ gets punished by GT, Notre Dame, Clemson, Miami, and UF.
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Re: Well if wagering, might be forced to take DJU over Cade
Jan 23, 2024, 7:53 AM
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He may not even see the field much this year. I imagine he still has to be "the guy" down there, and if they don't have better than him, we should be licking our chops.
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Without Cade we don't win ACC Championship and bowl game this year***
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Re: Without Cade we don't win ACC Championship and bowl game this year***
Jan 23, 2024, 7:56 AM
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We don't know that. With a better QB it might have been a runaway whipping instead of a last second, eked out win (though I certainly will take our win, any day).
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For the record, my opinion of the assessment is...
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1. He gave an objective analysis of where Cade needs to improve. He did not say Cade was not capable of improving and it was time to move on.
2. I expect Cade to improve. Cade will have a full year working with Riley. The WR group will be a lot deeper and, hopefully, a lot healthier this year. The OL will have 8 months under the tutelage of Matt Luke and should be better. All of that will make Cade a much improved QB. I expect Clemson and FSU to meet in Charlotte in December.
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Cant disagree. The opener vs UGA will be a good indicator of progress
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Jan 22, 2024, 5:16 PM
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CK has to read an get the throws out on time or disastrous results vs the Dawgs.
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Exactly.***
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Cade was much much better than
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The surrounding talent on our offense. Case was not the problem. Offensive line and re every were the problem.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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I’m not concerned with Cade, not even a little bit. Guy has an arm and can run. He will figure it out. Lot of potential imo.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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I actually don't think that the game ever slowed down for Cade until the last half of the bowl game. It was like all of a sudden he started seeing everything that was happening on the field. That kid put together 4 TD drives just in the 4th quarter. It was like the light in his head flashed on and he said, now I can see what I have been missing all season, and he started playing like an elite QB!!!
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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I'm anxious to see what Cade does this year. Hopefully, we will give our freshmen receivers a chance.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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If Cade doesn't try to over think what he learned in the bowl game after the light in his head flashed on, he will be just fine I believe....
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
Jan 23, 2024, 12:27 PM
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Yea and I don’t believe you have to be DW or TL to win ballgames. Manage the game and eliminate turnovers.
Winning at the line and winning the TO battle needs to be points of emphasis imo.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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I don’t think Cade is elite but he does have the potential to be a very good college QB/game manager; if he just eliminates the bone head plays. He may not be capable of hitting the big home run throws but he has to stop shooting the offense in the foot and giving points away. Our defense is good enough to keep us in most games. Just be a game manager.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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Have you not noticed the accuracy that kid has when he was able to see the open guy down field. Cade has all the tools to be a great college QB if that light stays on in his head, the light that helps the game to slow down so he can see everything that's happening on the field!!!
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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The guy is spot on. Luke will improve the OL play noticeably with what we have. It will be sufficient enough to expect improvement from CK.
The importance of explosive plays cannot be understated and I think we will see a marked improvement in that area of our offense. Yes , due mostly to returning WRs that showed promise and the almost certainty that Moore and Wesco will bring a dimension we've been missing of late.
If that's the case it should ease CK anxiety of feeling ( he ) has to make a play.
If he just settles down and we can create explosive plays ( why Riley is here ) he'll be just fine.
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The biggest challenge is......
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Jan 22, 2024, 8:41 PM
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MOVE THE CHAINS! You do that and you win LOT of games. That is a football fact.
So easy for me to say!!!
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Im not concerned***
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Maybe I missed the word "concerned"
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Jan 22, 2024, 9:48 PM
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all I heard was a guy reminding everyone what it looks like when a team doesnt put the weight of winning squarely on the QBs shoulders.
Michigan being the latest example of that.
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In my opinion he will be like Deshaun and make a huge improvement in year two
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Look for Cades second year of starting to be much improved. He had to grow up without much help on the line, as the OL improves and Cade improves with a full regiment of WR’s & TE’s it’s going to be exciting like 2015 in my opinion.
Look out the Tigers are coming!🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆💰💰💰💰🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Re: In my opinion he will be like Deshaun and make a huge improvement in year two
Jan 23, 2024, 8:01 AM
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+1
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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Cade is a work in progress but has a great toolbox to work with. Let's remember that the wonder that Riley did at TCU was done with a Sr. That had 800 prior passing attempts at around a 60% comp %, over 40TDs and had thrown for 6000 yrds before he took over as OC. Duggan actually had a slightly higher comp % in 2021 compared to 2022.
What I'm getting at is that Riley didn't work his magic with some newbie or a turd. He had tons of experience beforehand. He made Duggan better and he will do the same with Cade. I'm not giving up hope for the young man.
Seriously, someone ( the QB/OC?) at Oregon took BO freaking NIX and made him a Heisman contender. BO NIX! BO NIX sucked donkey testes. So if he can turn from shytte to sugar, there's definitely hope for Cade.
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Cade, in his role and disregarding his supporting cast...
Jan 23, 2024, 5:04 AM
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got better and better as the season progressed. I think it was about the 5th game when he actually got command of the playbook such that he knew where his receivers were going to be rather than trying to keep an eye on his primary continuously after the snap. The first 4 games he looked just like DJ.
Keeping that in mind and adding to that his lack of playing time the previous season his advancement was quite pleasing to me. DJ should never been allowed to pat his stats late in the games when the outcomes were established. IDK why Dabo did that. It was the one think I complained about most.
Cade is going to do fine. What Clemson fans want is another Trevor. No, neither Cade, nor anyone on our team now or ever will approach that level of natural talent and skill development.
NO, I didn't watch the video in the OP. I watched every second of Clemson last season's football and know exactly where Cade is. I don't make a living repeating what Tnetters, and STSers whine about.
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I like to watch a person's demeanor, as he/she progresses
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in a job role.
Cade has remained confident, optimistic and encouraging, not only to his teammates but to our fans, as well. He knows when he has erred, as it quickly shows on his face. Most importantly, he has retained a commanding presence among his teammates.
I believe we will see those characteristics develop and display further this season, and though, perhaps not a Trevor, he may become an amalgam of Trevor and DW4, thus producing a steady, reliable and successful leader. Our staff has to see to it that his support crew is present, well-trained and reliable on the job, If so, then it won't be just a Cade show, but a team one...precisely what we need.
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When did fans get so short-sighted?
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Quarterbacks don’t normally come in game ready and usually take time to develop. Guys like Deshaun and Trevor are anomalies.
I don’t get how you could fall for this rhetoric when your own Jordan Travis showed the more typical QB progression and development curve. I mean just go down through the playoffs teams - all experienced QBs. That’s the way it usually works.
Honestly we just don’t know but to assume Cade as a true sophomore will be Cade as a Junior and Senior is to not understand the way things most normally work with QB at all levels - it normally takes a couple/few years.
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Re: When did fans get so short-sighted?
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Valid points! +1
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
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The offense needs to play faster, go back to the up tempo pace, CK2 plays better the less time he has to think.
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Re: You're not the only one concerned about Cade.
Jan 23, 2024, 2:01 PM
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I agree. I thought DJ did as well. Why we aren’t playing up tempo is truly mind boggling.
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