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Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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It wasn't a doom and gloom film but rather talking about solutions. The main point was sustainable farming and soil regeneration. Seems to be the way to go. Localized farming also adds more nutrient rich vegetables which also can help with the obesity problem in the US.
I was a Ag Engineering major but didn't work in that field. I was curious what the farming boys here thought about sustainable farming practices helping rid excess CO2 in the air and aid in producing healthier food.
This is not a political post just wondering who else thought that bringing back local small farms (like the ones my dad worked on as a kid) would be a cool thing.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 10:49 AM
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I am not a farmer, but that seems like a natural way to help and as you say should mean healthier food if we all ate more veggies and less processed food.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:00 AM
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Sustainable farming is a pretty broad, undefined term but soil regeneration has a lot of positive impact. Small farms are wonderful where the population density is low enough that they can provide enough food for local consumption. Unfortunately, we cannot feed the world population this way. Large farms and processors are needed to provide the quantity of food needed to feed the more populated areas where there are too many people to provide for with small farms. Farmers have used some form of soil regeneration for years. It was just called crop rotation and manure spreading. Everything has to have a new new buzzword name these days.
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Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:22 AM
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..will leave us 100% unusable soil in about 60 year at the current rate. There is a lot of technology being developed for rejuvenating soil faster than spreading manure.
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 12:08 PM
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I wonder where they come up with those statistics. I am a huge believer that data can be found to support any position if one simply looks hard enough and manipulates the data set to fit their theory. Case in point - I saw a discussion on another board today where a Gamecock fan said their program is basically on par with Clemson because the record for the last 13 games is 7 Clemson wins vs 6 SC wins. A Clemson fan responded the record was 7-1 Clemson for the last 8 years. Both statements factually correct and each support a vastly different conclusion. But I digress. The climate change folks have been using fear mongering tactics for years and none of their predicted deadlines have occurred. Since there is no way to prove this as any more than a prediction, I would take it with a grade of slaw. I saw an article recently that provided data that refuted that very point by saying we are regenerating enough soil to sustain our current level so who should we believe? I don’t remember where I saw the article, probably LinkedIn. I am just very skeptical about these type of “everything is going to be used up by (insert date)” predictions because they are completely unprovable, we have been hearing them for my entire life and I don’t recall one of them that actually happened the way it was predicted.
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 12:13 PM
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But don’t get me wrong, I grew up on small farm where we raised angus cows and had a garden that fed 5 households. I hunt deer for food and have had a vegetable garden most of my life. I would love to see us be able to go back to the simpler times of everyone growing their own but the world population needs more than that can provide.
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 1:19 PM
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But don’t get me wrong, I grew up on small farm where we raised angus cows and had a garden that fed 5 households. I hunt deer for food and have had a vegetable garden most of my life. I would love to see us be able to go back to the simpler times of everyone growing their own but the world population needs more than that can provide.
The trend is folks moving to population centers instead of rural areas which allows the space to grow/hunt food. It is more efficient and less polluting to live close in terms of less driving and more walking
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 4:37 PM
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Right. But then the food must be grown and brought in from outside the population center. And processed to provide a longer shelf life and distribution time. Not enough room to grow the food locally because of all the development needed for the population growth. That’s my point exactly.
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Probably the biggest problems with the typical Americans diet
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Jul 22, 2023, 6:58 PM
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are the vast over-consumption of sugar and ultr-processed carbs, and the consumption of vegetable oils. If it comes in a box or bag, it's best to leave it in the store. And stop eating sugar loaded crap for breakfast...have some bacon & eggs! Eat only real food...this can pretty much be accomplished by only shopping the perimeter of the store...stay out of the aisles.
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100% agree!***
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Jul 23, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 1:08 PM
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One of the more thought provoking posts i have read recently. I think, in part, because of its simplicity. We have made things so black and white. In reality the truth is somewhere along the spectrum. I was blown away when my dad recently said that, when he was a kid, they were worried about global cooling. That was the first I had ever heard about it.
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 22, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Indeed! In the late 60’s and early 70’s our government was certain that another ice age was just around the corner if we didn’t drastically alter our way of life. It’s all fear tactics to convince us to give the government more control over our lives. I’m 70 years old and have followed the news and current events for almost 60 years. The thing that has taught me is there is NO CHANCE our government having more control over us can be a good thing. Government is the least efficient method of solving any societal problem. Go Tigers!
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Re: Yeah but the film said that the way current practices are going...
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Jul 23, 2023, 12:13 AM
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100% correct!
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Today’s Documentaries
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Jul 22, 2023, 5:23 PM
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Are infomercials and little else. 60 years from now, when none of us are alive, we will know that they are full of manure.
Farming techniques continue to evolve and the idea that we won’t grow nutritious food then is ridiculous.
One of Clemson’s top Ag professors, who specialized in organic farming, told me that the idea that food is less nutritious is nonsense due to the tiny amounts of trace minerals and nutrients involved. They will not run out.
He also said that as much as he’d love to state otherwise, there is NO nutritional difference between organic and non. No difference beyond traces of pesticide, that is.
This from a man that spent his whole life promoting organics. He still promoted the approach, but conceded the reality.
But, any time a chicken little pushes D day out beyond next year, you can count on the fact that it will never happen as predicted. Never.
It’s all an attempt to influence the uneducated via format - Tiger King comes to mind - who doesn’t hate Carol Baskin?
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Re: Today’s Documentaries
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Jul 22, 2023, 9:16 PM
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I spent my entire career in the food and dairy industry and you are correct, there is no nutritional difference between organic and conventional foods.
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Re: Today’s Documentaries
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:32 PM
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I have never eaten inorganic food.
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Re: That’s not true.
Jul 23, 2023, 12:27 PM
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If you are using The Guardian as a source you have zero credibility.
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Re: That’s not true.
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It is true but you are free to believe whichever “expert” you want. I know I worked in the food and dairy my entire career and the nutritional value of organic milk is the same as conventional milk. One of your own articles even says this at the end:
“The findings will bring to the boil a long-simmering row over whether those differences mean organic food is better for people, with one expert calling the work sexed up.
Tom Sanders, a professor of nutrition at King's College London, said the research did show some differences. "But the question is are they within natural variation? And are they nutritionally relevant? I am not convinced."
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Not all food are polluted the same by pesticides.
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Jul 23, 2023, 12:51 PM
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I had a doctor tell me recently to only eat organic blueberries (which I love) because their skin absorbs them more readily.
I think for some stuff you just wash the heck out of them right?
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As I embark on my PhD dissertation myself...
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Jul 23, 2023, 12:46 PM
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I am a firm believer in quantitative research that is peer-reviewed. You take out the BS and you look at T-Tests, ANOVA, and P-values.
You're right, too many agendas and not enough good ole solid research.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:02 AM
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farming organic and local sourcing are good steps, but a small piece of the pie. Florida is a great state if you want local produce, avocados, tomatoes, etc.. I can get a container of organic greens, the good stuff, cheaper than a bag of ice burg lettuce that is mostly water. The problem is if you live in Indiana, this is not an option unless you really like potatoes.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:21 AM
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Small farms like the one I grew up on is not going to return in the forseeable future because one can not support a family in today's economy. I own our family farm. Rent the open land to a large farmer who grows soybeans, corn and cotton. Have moved some of the lesser quality open land to pine trees. Many of my cousins who own like type property are doing the same thing.
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That's sad to hear.
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:26 AM
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I hope that one day we can get back to having more small and medium-sized farms.
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Yeah, the film covered all that but there is new technology
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Jul 22, 2023, 11:25 AM
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that will help people in Indiana grow a wider range of crops.
I am in the process of starting a garden here and there is something about growing your own food that is really cool. There are also three papaya and one mango tree that just sprung up in the yard - really cool.
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Re: Yeah, the film covered all that but there is new technology
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You'll need a couple of acres to feed your family, and it is a year-round job. I am all for ending the use of petro fertilizers, it is one of Florida's biggest exports, and you can see the plants everywhere, with huge piles of phosphogypsum, (this stuff is radioactive) dotting the horizon. They do not know what to do with it all, there is talk of using it as aggregate for paving roads, which seems like a dumb idea.
Anywho, not shipping food from California and Texas to the rest of the country would help, but again, a small part of the solution to Climate Change per your OP.
When Nuclear fusion becomes a reality, it will solve most of our problems, especially if you want to string enough LEd lights to grow avocados in Indiana.
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Nuclear energy is the real answer here you're right.
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The way you're describing fertilizer is darn scary. The documentary claimed that it's killing the soil too.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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POTD IMO, but as long as billionaire manufactory owners are allowed the massive, continued use of the cheapest/worst Fossil Fuels as they can buy to run their plants, global warming will only get worse, and our kids, and their kids that will be left behind are going to inherit a tough road to hold, and it's mostly because of the greed of the already filthy rich that are willing to sacrifice our planet just to make more money than they're entire family line could spend in their life time.
IMPO, the best place to start for turning around the damage that's already been done to the planet, it must start by limiting the amount of children a couple can have during their lifetime regardless of how many times they have remarried. Facts are, the bigger the world population gets, the more of our forest has to be cut down making room for more asphalt and concrete to be put down where there was once a forest replenishing our planet with the needs to keep it balanced, and that shouldn't be hard understand for any level of human intelligence.
Just for human population to continue growing larger every year, we will have to continue destroying our forest, our rivers/lakes, and our oceans, every bit of that is the only reason human life come about and allowed to exist on this planet, and once we use it up, human life will run out of what is needed for it's survival on this planet that we call earth. The hard core facts are, without enough healthy forest, without enough of healthy rivers/lakes, without healthy oceans, the existence of human life WILL go away, and that is a fact!!! I believe once that happens, this planet will heal itself, and some sort of human life will return, and when it does, I hope that it's a form of human life that is a lot smarter than we were as to why they exist on whatever name they will give this planet.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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I think this take is ill informed. The reality is that the world is already on the verge of a massive population decline (with or without governments forcing reproduction policies). All of east Asia and Europe with few exceptions are all past the point of no return and will see their populations decline significantly over the coming decades. The reality is that as a nation industrializes, and people move to the city, they have less children. The quicker this boom occurs the steeper the decline that follows on the backend. The US is just barely above the the threshold to maintain its population (not including immigration inputs). China will likely have individual citizens that will have been able to witness preindustrial to industrial back to preindustrial (and likely de-civilization) in one lifetime… Much of their population gains over the past 50 years were from increases in lifespans, not new births. Their demographics will look like an upside down pyramid with many elderly and very few working age or younger within the current decade. If the government needs to get involved in procreation, they need to incentivize the population having MORE children not restrict it. The irony is, that a massive population collapse in large swathes of the world will destroy global trade and the ability of non resource rich regions to use and import oil/gas for energy. You could very likely see an uptick in carbon emissions and pollution as people are forced to resort back to burning coal and wood just to keep from freezing or cook food.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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POTD IMO, but as long as billionaire manufactory owners are allowed the massive, continued use of the cheapest/worst Fossil Fuels as they can buy to run their plants, global warming will only get worse, and our kids, and their kids that will be left behind are going to inherit a tough road to hold, and it's mostly because of the greed of the already filthy rich that are willing to sacrifice our planet just to make more money than they're entire family line could spend in their life time.
IMPO, the best place to start for turning around the damage that's already been done to the planet, it must start by limiting the amount of children a couple can have during their lifetime regardless of how many times they have remarried. Facts are, the bigger the world population gets, the more of our forest has to be cut down making room for more asphalt and concrete to be put down where there was once a forest replenishing our planet with the needs to keep it balanced, and that shouldn't be hard understand for any level of human intelligence.
Just for human population to continue growing larger every year, we will have to continue destroying our forest, our rivers/lakes, and our oceans, every bit of that is the only reason human life come about and allowed to exist on this planet, and once we use it up, human life will run out of what is needed for it's survival on this planet that we call earth. The hard core facts are, without enough healthy forest, without enough of healthy rivers/lakes, without healthy oceans, the existence of human life WILL go away, and that is a fact!!! I believe once that happens, this planet will heal itself, and some sort of human life will return, and when it does, I hope that it's a form of human life that is a lot smarter than we were as to why they exist on whatever name they will give this planet.
The 80’s called and they want their propaganda ###### back.
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The problem isn't the number of kids a couple has, but the
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kids born into a single parent home, with that parent being totally unqualified, mentally or financially, to raise the children. The mothers that are the least qualified to be having kids, are have the most kids!
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Well since we are all doomed
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Jul 22, 2023, 12:25 PM
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I am not going to worry about it. Seriously why do they talk about "climate change," because they were losing the "public relations" war with Global Warming. The climate has been changing since the earth was created. The climate will continue to change as long as it exists.
The issue is whether or not the current change is being accelerated by human actions, if so what should/can be done about it. A quite valid argument can be made that by far the majority of the world population is in a "subsistence" mode and barely able to sustain their life. These people only care about living from day to day, and will do whatever it takes to sustain their life day to day. Climate change is not an issue with them. Most of the solutions proposed are Utopian in their approach expecting people to put the "greater good" over their own self interest. At some point that always breaks down. Population control is one of these Utopian ideas.
The paradox is that for those of us who are Christians we supposedly believe in Utopia as being the end result of God's will, but not obtainable by human endeavor. So if humans have the power to destroy God's creation against God's will God isn't all powerful and omnipotent. If humans can destroy and all powerful and omnipotent God's creation then it must be God's will. I am of the opinion that God is all powerful and omnipotent and those that think we can destroy God's creation against his will have and ego many millions of orders of magnitude to large and a God that is trillions and trillions orders of magnitude too small.
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The oceans are so unprecedentedly boiling hot that NOAA has
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Re: Well since we are all doomed
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I am not going to worry about it. Seriously why do they talk about "climate change," because they were losing the "public relations" war with Global Warming. The climate has been changing since the earth was created. The climate will continue to change as long as it exists.
The issue is whether or not the current change is being accelerated by human actions, if so what should/can be done about it. A quite valid argument can be made that by far the majority of the world population is in a "subsistence" mode and barely able to sustain their life. These people only care about living from day to day, and will do whatever it takes to sustain their life day to day. Climate change is not an issue with them. Most of the solutions proposed are Utopian in their approach expecting people to put the "greater good" over their own self interest. At some point that always breaks down. Population control is one of these Utopian ideas.
The paradox is that for those of us who are Christians we supposedly believe in Utopia as being the end result of God's will, but not obtainable by human endeavor. So if humans have the power to destroy God's creation against God's will God isn't all powerful and omnipotent. If humans can destroy and all powerful and omnipotent God's creation then it must be God's will. I am of the opinion that God is all powerful and omnipotent and those that think we can destroy God's creation against his will have and ego many millions of orders of magnitude to large and a God that is trillions and trillions orders of magnitude too small.
The whole climate deal has made a lot of people rich.
I like you am a believer and think it’s pretty arrogant of a society that thinks they can change the weather including the temps. I hear about global warming and often wonder what they are comparing things to. Who is to say the very thing we are going through now is not to be experienced every 200 years. No one can say for certain.
Also look at these deals like the oil line that broke apart and was spewing oil continuously for a good while in the Gulf. I was really surprised at how fast nature took care of cleaning up that mess as well.
I believe in keeping our lands free of trash but as far as climate cooling, heating, freezing or any other changes I’m not convinced humans play as big a part as they want to make themselves believe.
If it is truly a global deal don’t get yourself too bent out of shape. If you look at the globe and see the size of the US and if the US was doing everything right what real difference would it make on the global stage.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Up north and in Europe(neither of which are generally places I'd look for benchmarks) they seen able to sustain local baskets and local butchers whereas we, generally, have not. We have farmers markets but it's not found in every town or county. What in getting at is: of many (not so very large) town's in other places can keep a baker and butcher out send not a huge stretch to think locally grown produce and meat would have a nice market. It seems we decided for some reason it was better to go to grocery stores than local producers... I think we would all be better off with more local production.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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By up north do you mean New York City, Boston, Philadelphia and Chicago? None of these population centers can feed their masses using that approach. Rural areas, yes.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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The real issue is the cost associated with small farming. It’s not sustainable due to the equipment cost and land values. Farming is a different animal
All together it’s a tremendous amount of work that has to be done when it has to be done. Waiting until next week is not allowed. I too grew up on a small farm which my dad still operates. It’s more of a hobby than a business. To be profitable you need a tremendous amount of land that is tremendously expensive. Small farms aren’t making a come back anytime soon in the US.
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Small farms can still be profitable, with the right products
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For example, I have a friend who ran a very small dairy farm, milking only 20-25 cows. But he was selling raw milk (which is legal in SC and about 35 other states) for about $7 per gallon. The commercial dairy farm would only receive about $1.50 per gallon for their milk...that's a big difference!
He would also grow pasture raised beef and pork, and sell it by the half or quarter, receiving more than double what he would get for the animal, if selling on the hoof st the local stockyard.
Another neighbor is doing pretty well growing about five acres of strawberries and other fruits and vegetables, and selling them at their roadside farm store. So well, that both of them have quit their public jobs.
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I think we would do well by supporting this type of business***
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Jul 23, 2023, 11:52 AM
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The vast majority of farm subsidies go to the producers of
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Jul 22, 2023, 7:37 PM
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corn, soybeans, cotton and sugar beets, the very crops going into the production of sugar and seed oils, which are the main causes of the obesity and diabetes epidemics in the US and worldwide! Along with the corn that is going into ethanol production, which would not even exist without the subsidies! Nearly 50% of the US corn crop goes to ethanol!
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Stopped reading at 'seed oils'.
Jul 23, 2023, 3:29 PM
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Junk science. Right up there with HFCS being bad for you.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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I watched a cool video a couple years ago about no till farming. You basically plug the seed or drill it instead of tilling and turning the soil. The results were incredible. After a few years this farmer quit fertilizing, quit spraying insecticides, crop production doubled. When you till you slowly lose all your nutrients in the soil. His dirt went from looking like sand to black rich soil. Water penetration went from 3 or 4 inches to like 8 to 10 inches after a rain. Other farmers around him started doing and in other parts of the world with the same results. It was quite fascinating. Obviously there was a lot more involved but that was the basics of it. It’s a long video and I had to watch it in about 4 different sittings but I learned a lot.
https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 7:41 PM
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No-till is nothing new. I farmed full-time from 1973 to 2003, and we practiced no-till and minimum tillage that entire time! Most of my neighbors now cut their small grains in the spring for hay, then go right in with the no-till drill and plant the corn or soybeans.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 3:13 PM
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I wonder if this was more specific to a region or not. I don't believe the soils in US will be ruined in 60yrs with our current practices. The farmers have learned the less the soil is disturbed the better therefore they all use "No-till" farming. They don't bed rows any longer but just drill the seeds. Upon harvesting they cut the plants at stem leaving the roots to turn into detritus. Often the unused part of the plant is shredded and re-distributed over the field to gain those decomposition nutrients. Although, a lot of big corn farmers are shredding corn stalks and packaging it in 50yd long bags to store but it ferments as well making a great feed for dairy cows and a supplement to reduce grain used for livestock.
Add in swapping of nitrogen fixing crops like soybeans every few years helps microorganisms work and allows plants to take up more nutrients. Add in the millions of gallons of pig farm manure being spread on these farms to keep them nutrient rich. I don't see the soils being a problem as these same lands have been farmed for 100yrs under worse practices.
There are even new farming practices where 2-3crops are being grown concurrently where one plant uses nitrogen and one is a nitrogen fixer. I see where a lot of wheat farmers are going to this practice. They may plant wheat and safflower at same time. Harvest the wheat grain and safflower for oil.
The farmers are good stewards of their money sources but not good stewards of other natural resources like small game and water. All the farms used to have fence rows with natural grasses and trees around their fields, perfect for small game like pheasant, rabbits, quail, etc. to hide. All the big farmers have removed these to gain that extra 20' border which gains a few acres on bigger farms.
Then they also tile any water drainage areas so it can now be planted instead again being a natural grass drainage for small game cover. But the other negative of tiling is it caused fast drainage not allowing the natural wicking of water into the water table. This also causes mass runoff from all the fields to the rivers causing huge fluctuations of river heights after every rain. Therefore the likelihood of floods are increased dramatically often affecting populated areas. The other negative side effect of tiling is not allowing replenishment of our groundwater hence the falling water tables across America.
I would love to see tiling of fields made an illegal practice. Would also love to see a natural grass border required on all farmland 20ac and larger to create natural small game habitat. Used to love hunting pheasant as a kid in Iowa and I would starve to death now if I had to rely on small game.
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Thanks man. This was truly informative.
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Jul 23, 2023, 11:58 AM
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Part of the main theme of this documentary was how farming practices and fertilizer was hurting the soil.
No till farming is very interesting. This is the first I have heard of it until another poster posted a video which I am watching.
Anyway, thanks so much for sharing!
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I'll wipe my penor off on the curtains when I'm finished...
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Jul 22, 2023, 7:43 PM
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then the meek can have it.
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Gross, but funny.***
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If it grows, good
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If it stows, bad
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 22, 2023, 10:17 PM
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I like the idea of sustainable farming, but I don't see it working. Climate change is real, but the evidence does not show it is man made. The earth has gone through cooling and warming cycles throughout it's existence.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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Jul 23, 2023, 12:54 AM
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It's difficult to speak on any topic these days without being political. And this reply isn't meant to be political either.
It is an interesting concept, but as we see certain foreign countries buying our agricultural land and domestic energy companies using the land for solar farms as a selling point to build pipelines, I forsee that possibility being destroyed in the next decade.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
Jul 23, 2023, 1:48 AM
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Planting lots of trees will reduce CO2 since they take in CO2 and give off O2. Plus they look good. No idea how many it would require….I guess millions, but if every country did it, it would help and it’s probably lower cost than mechanical CO2 remediation.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
Jul 23, 2023, 12:55 PM
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Planting lots of trees will reduce CO2 since they take in CO2 and give off O2. Plus they look good. No idea how many it would require….I guess millions, but if every country did it, it would help and it’s probably lower cost than mechanical CO2 remediation.
The issue is when they die, they give off most of the methane they have stored and even emit methane while living which in my opinion more of an issue.
CO2 being the problem is all that is talked about because for an environmentalist to say trees are actually worse for the environment than CO2 would reflect there is a no win. We can self reduce in various ways, but the natural cycle of life will continue to involve oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and methane at minimum.
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Go talk to India, Russia, China. Problem solved.
Jul 23, 2023, 10:13 AM
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Geez
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Cool, now yet just need to figure out how to force
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People to eat those vegetables.
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Huge issue with my Colombian wife.
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If it's rice or plantain she will eat it, but other than than it's torture for her.
Me, I love all vegetables and make a mean chicken and spinach salad.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
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If you took the political bias and lies out of Climate Change discussions........there would be no Climate Crisis.
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We all have biases.
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Trick is to try to see your own before calling out others.
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Re: Saw an interesting documentary about Climate Change
Jul 23, 2023, 2:54 PM
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I am all for small farms... the question is how do they sell their product and make enough to pay the bills?
PS There is no "climate crisis" there is weather and it changes ...
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Man's contribution to climate change is insignificant.
Jul 23, 2023, 3:15 PM
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Signed...a Clemson environmental engineer.
Oh the OP is absolutely political and doesn't belong here.
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Re: Man's contribution to climate change is insignificant.
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I was certain this thread would instantly devolve into name calling or worse. I’m a climate change skeptic, but I learned a little bit about farming. Well done TNet farmers.
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