Re: What do y’all think on this Arbery case?

Again, going off memory. And that memory is based on what was shown on both the local and national news, so I'm sure it was edited to affect my reaction to it.

The video showed Arbery jogging, then the father and son attempted multiple times to block him with their truck to detain him until the police could arrive. Arbery tried to continue running away and after a couple attempts gave a "what the ####" kind of offensive move at the truck. At that point, again, what I remember in a likely edited video sequence, the son got out of the truck with his shotgun.

So the whole situation, based on what I remember in a likely edited sequence of video, started with the defendants chasing him in a truck. This is just as important, to me, as any movement Arbery makes to get the gun away from the son and the scuffle that ensues. If I put myself in Arbery's situation, the drivers are the aggressors for the entirety of the incident and I fear for my life, even before the son gets out with his weapon. I'm in total self defense mode.

I agree with all the other posters that, most likely, none of the three defendants set out with intent on killing him. They thought they found a suspect for a rash of local robberies and were intent on holding him until the police arrived.

Murder One? Probably not. Murder two or manslaughter? Yes.

Murder for the third guy (the videographer)? I don't know. Accessory? Maybe, but I don't know the law enough to see how he lands.

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Nov 9, 2021, 7:57 PM [ in reply to Re: What do y’all think on this Arbery case? ]

Actually a remarkably reasoned and educated response.

Can't disagree with any of that.

Just as an aside, one thing our polarized society seems to have put on hold is the idea there's an actual "truth" anywhere, but there is. I agree that the mainsteam media tends to automatically jump to the minority's defense, mostly on the grounds of "if it bleeds, it leads" and there is at least some intrinsic bias from the MSM against anything white and Southern. (We see it constantly in their treatment of Dabo, for instance), just as the "conservative media" automatically tends to assume the white guys are the heroes and the bad darkies are the crooks, always up to somethin'.

Me, I just wonder what the actual truth here was. Because somewhere there is an actual truth. Was Arbery a crook, actually "up to something?", and these guys knew it, and just went way too far in their zeal for justice? Or was he guilty of just being black and in the wrong spot at the wrong time, and some racist white guys just assumed he was their guy because stuff had been happening, jump to conclusions, and go all redneck vigilante on some poor random guy who maybe didn't have it coming?

I don't know. I don't presume to know. The one thing that makes it problematic for the defendants is, they definitely produced a corpse without a trial, and that makes anything they say in their defense kind of...suspect. They're going to have to work really, really hard to prove they somehow knew with absolute certainty he was their guy, provoked them in a way that left them no option but to kill, and justified their producing a corpse with no due process.

I agree with you, that seems tough to do. I think they do time. Then again, at the outset of the Rittenhouse case, I was pretty sure he was going to get gigged for at least one of those murders and maiming the third guy as well, now I'm only 50/50 and I could well see him walking. The prosecution has had some very public setbacks, and the only living survivor did not help his own case after getting caught in some glaring inconsistencies and admitting he was carrying his own unregistered weapon...clearly he didn't know what he was going to do there, and if he didn't know what he was going to do with his own gun, how could Rittenhouse be expected to? Once Asylum Guy provoked him into shooting, the mob tried to lynch him, it's hard to claim Rittenhouse couldn't have reasonably been expected to feel "threatened." (Mind, this still doesn't quite excuse all the lies Rittenhouse told to put himself in that situation to begin with.)

Skateboard guy (victim #2) is harder to explain, but when Guy #1 was a mental patient fresh out of the institution, off his meds, and wearing a mask, Rittenhouse is going to walk on that. Guy #3 probably blew himself up in court with some awful testimony. I certainly like Rittenhouse's odds a lot better than I did before the trial started, though the fact he was claiming he was "with the police" and a "licensed EMT" is not going to help him any.

So I have no clue what's going to go on with Arbery. I'm sure there's a gazillion nuances I've missed from afar.

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What do y’all think on this Arbery case?