Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
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It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 18, 2020, 3:15 PM
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"In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group."
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
https://youtu.be/Z3plSbCbkSA
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/sweden/articles/sweden-no-masks-utopia/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ded_AxFfJoQ&feature=emb_logo
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 18, 2020, 7:01 PM
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Sweden found similar results with covid-19.
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And then tell everyone that you’re following the science.***
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Oct 19, 2020, 10:57 AM
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 19, 2020, 9:01 AM
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CDC referencing a University Hong Kong study....sigh (facepalm)
First and foremost, one study can and does not prove or disprove the existence of a phenomenon, you need to look at the body of research, not cherry pick
Number two, a study not finding a significant result does not preclude the existence of a phenomenon. That is the study failing, not the mask. Thus further research is required.
Finally,
Here is a ####-analysis.... which scans multiple datasets/cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/
4.?Discussion
This ####-analysis of the 21 studies provided the latest state-of-art evidence on the efficacy of masks in preventing the transmission of RVIs. Our data show that the protective effects of masks against RVIs were not only significant for both HCWs and non-HCWs, but also consistent between Asian and Western populations.
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 19, 2020, 9:23 AM
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should be POTD. They aren't asking us to lay face down on a beach while being shot at, or endure a week of constant attack in freezing weather with no supples.
All we have to do is use a mask in public, wash our hands and stand 6 feet apart. We are asked to it for the sake of our health care workers.
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 19, 2020, 9:36 AM
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+1 on that.
I am just wonder why "m e t a" is screened out. Who said filters don't work.
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You might want to read that more carefully. Cherry picking?
Oct 19, 2020, 1:24 PM
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That study, which I actually read all the way through when it was posted, ADMITS that it cherry picked studies that had NO CONTROL. Mr. future doctor, I'm sure you don't need to be told that a study with no control is essentially worthless. For those that don't know why, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COMPARE MASKS WITH NO MASKS.
4.5. Limitations and future perspective The present meta-analysis still has several limitations. First, well-designed high-quality prospective studies and studies of masking in the general public are still insufficient. Second, Droplet-borne and airborne viruses are likely to cause large-scale transmissions among the passengers within closed transportation vehicles [55]. However, relevant studies are relatively rare [32]. Third, this article included some studies of SARS patients diagnosed according to clinical diagnostic criteria for SARS due to a low detection rate of RT-PCR [56]. The lack of sufficient virologic evidence may affect our conclusions. However, this effect might not be significant, as 92% of patients with clinical SARS for whom paired sera were available had a >4-fold rise in antibody titer to SARS-CoV [57]. Fourth, control subjects without masking are generally lacking in studies conducted in healthcare settings mainly due to the ethical issue. Future studies might choose HCWs from departments without needs of masking as controls [26]. Fifth, our study didn't have sufficient data for subgroup analysis of different mask types since our inclusion criteria mainly focused on masks versus no masks, which might inherently omit studies that focused on effectiveness of different mask types. Though there were published studies that had shown different specifications of masks and different wearing methods may affect the protective effect of masks [17,32]. And when the included studies divided the time/frequency of wearing masks, we only included the group of masks with the longest wearing/highest wearing frequency. This might also ignore effects of the short/infrequent mask-wearing. In addition, the studies we included were mainly conducted in Asia, especially China, and more evidence from other countries is needed to support our views. Last but not least, information about other confounding biases, such as vaccination, hand hygiene, age, gender, and culture, may affect the protective effect of masks.
Did you notice this m*ta analysis involved studies from CHINA? This is proof you didn't read it. Because you tried to deride Chinese evidence as worthless earlier. This lack of depth is why so many people are hopelessly manipulated by the panic-pushers.
Before March of 2020 nearly every CONTROLLED study on the effect of masks with virus transmission showed no statistically significant different between masks and no masks. In fact, it consistently found that cloth masks MADE IT WORSE (though slightly). That's why the CDC and WHO made it loud and clear (UNTIL MARCH OF 2020) that there was no reason for healthy people to wear masks. There was an obvious and abrupt change from governments and corporate media. And there was a scramble for new m*ta-analysis studies (not actual experiments) to "mask" the fact that science had overwhelmingly demonstrated that masks don't make a difference.
I provided more than one source. There are thousands of epidemiologists, pulmonologists, virologists, microbiologists, statisticians, etc etc that have been consistent (and silenced) this whole time about the facts we knew BEFORE the politicization of Covid19.
And you may be fine with a government mandating something that scientific studies suggest is worthless, but I am not happy with that. Groupthink and mainstream media consensus are the reason so many people believe that masks help. Not science.
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Re: You might want to read that more carefully. Cherry picking?
Oct 19, 2020, 2:40 PM
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It is Dr. Futuredoc, PhD from Clemson University. The "future" was from marrying into a family of Docs, especially since she is a Clemson girl as well...
Meanwhile your PI is Ms. Xiao is a postgraduate student at the School of Public Health, University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China.
Yes, it includes China, Germany, and the US. But that itself is the difference - as it is scanning and noting regional biases. That is kinda the point, you expand and survey a wide range of studies.
It is a #### analysis. Not a clinical trial. Your study is a database #### analysis as well but from 4 databases. If I really need to go into research design to explain why a control population involving policy analysis isn't applicable, well it is lost. The point of a #### analysis is to expand the survey field to make a generalization. You can't really do that with control clinical studies (although what you are scanning would include that). You can only make a point about your research sample. Even your study noted: Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group. -again an issue with study design. Also, it was for influenza strains, not a wider RVI which would be more applicable.
For example 2.2. Inclusion and exclusion criteria - my link provided
The studies meeting the following criteria were included: (1) concerning the relationship between the face mask and preventing RVIs; (2) diagnosis of respiratory virus must have laboratory evidence, or the local clinical diagnostic criteria are applied during an acute large-scale infectious disease when laboratory evidence might be not available; (3) complete data available of both cases and controls to calculate an odds ratio (OR) with 95% confidence interval (CI); (4) appropriate study design; (5) no language restrictions applied. The exclusive criteria were as follows: (1) conferences/meetings abstracts, case reports, editorials, and review articles; (2) duplicate publication or overlapping studies; (3) studies with unavailable full texts.
Next, if you want to poke political leanings, well I am a classical libertarian. Government mandates are not something I generally recommend... actually strongly discourage but I agree with the police power that allows government to regulate based on health, safety, morals, and general welfare. Since folks are stupid enough to ignore public health recommendations, the gubbermint does retain the power to both out stubborn the stupid. I believe in extremely limited government but where government is involved it should be highly effective. Radical concept I know...
Please provide more than one peer-reviewed, I would love to see your literature. As someone on the "opposite" spectrum of most of my field's political leanings, I have never felt there has been any "silencing" from my more pro-government minded academics. This isn't climate change research whereby government tries to silence research like it was back in the mid 2000s. That just makes academic louder...
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Re: Wonderful. Let's do this then.
Oct 19, 2020, 4:12 PM
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First, please note that the studies while they might inform are not directed toward Covid. Influenza and the common cold can be both transmitted in both a similar mechanism (via droplets) as well as less common Covid vectors such as touch surfaces and aerosols.
But digging deepers, you evidence provided is quite muddlied.
Ok, source #1
Subanalyses performed for one of the larger randomised controlled studies in a household setting found evidence of reduced rates of in?uenza-like illness if household contacts consistently wore the mask or respirator.
Source #2 only followed healthcare workers via equipment and being diagnosed with a cold. It could not rule out or account for other non-work vectors.
Re-read your last case example as this is clear in the summary
"There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. "
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Re: Wonderful. Let's do this then, Mr. Pretend Libertarian.
Oct 19, 2020, 4:32 PM
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And one more very important point.
All/most of your listed studies (that I could tell) focused on front-line healthcare workers. It kinda makes sense from a research perspective, but in those cases, the health care profession will likely be exposed to dozens of close-contact situations, dealing with bodily fluids, etc that would not be common for an average joe. Thus, the results of the test are "flavored" with selection bias. You just have to account for that in the literature review.
Thus you need to step back and look at a few other factors such as the result of distancing an masks in reducing non-close contact transmission cases.
You have to be careful and not overextend study findings to things the study was not trying to address. Overreach can be a big problem.
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 19, 2020, 1:33 PM
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Yep the bottom line is that this virus is not being transmitted by walking through someone elses slobber. It comes from sneezing,coughing, picking your nose etc and then touching other things that other people in turn touch and so forth. This whole mask thing is total BS.
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Re: It's a total joke either way. Makes absolutely no difference.
Oct 19, 2020, 3:20 PM
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Absolutely untrue. Those are old numbers. Every Epidemiologist in the entire world says wearing a mask "helps" prevent Covid-19 spread.
It is astonishing to me that people still want to push this false narrative. Like Trump at a Georgia rally, "85% of the people who wear masks contract Coronavirus". It's merely a political agenda.
WHO: "Why should people wear masks? Masks are a key measure to suppress transmission and save lives. Masks reduce potential exposure risk from an infected person whether they have symptoms or not. People wearing masks are protected from getting infected. Masks also prevent onward transmission when worn by a person who is infected.
Masks should be used as part of a comprehensive ‘Do it all!’ approach including: physical distancing, avoiding crowded, closed and close-contact settings, improving ventilation, cleaning hands, covering sneezes and coughs, and more."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks
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You are either completely ignorant or lying. Proof...
Oct 19, 2020, 3:54 PM
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"Every Epidemiologist in the entire world says wearing a mask "helps" prevent Covid-19 spread."
It's sad that you actually believe that. The video linked in my original post includes TWO world renowned epidemiologists saying the opposite of your ridiculous claim.
Dutch Medical Care Minister Tamara van Ark said: "From a medical point of view, there is no evidence of a medical effect of wearing face masks, so we decided not to impose a national obligation."
Coen Berends, spokesman for the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, added: "Face masks in public places are not necessary, based on all the current evidence."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html
Henning Bundgaard, chief physician at Denmark’s Rigshospitalet and a professor in cardiology, is finalizing a study that explores how effective face masks are outside hospitals in halting the spread of the virus. He says research conducted before the pandemic hit isn’t conclusive. “All these countries recommending face masks haven’t made their decisions based on new studies,” Bundgaard said in an
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/face-mask-photo-op-adds-to-bewilderment-over-non-use-in-denmark
And the WHO earlier this year.... and every other year of their existence.... said masks being worn by healthy people are not advised. Only after March of this year did they sing a different tune. And there are NO conclusive studies that explain that shift.
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 18, 2020, 3:18 PM
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More like Yasser Arafat....
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 18, 2020, 3:55 PM
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Was Bama fined yesterday. SEC said they were going to fine teams if any coach talked (within 6 feet) to a ref without wearing his mask. On at least two occasions Saban was less than 2 feet away screaming at a ref. I have no idea how many other times he did it that I didn't see.
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But he's 's.p.e.c.i.a.l'.....***
Oct 19, 2020, 9:53 AM
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 PM
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Johnny Majors is smiling where ever he is. LOL
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 18, 2020, 8:16 PM
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Coach Saban was not even wearing a mask when he was confronting the referee on the intentional grounding call during the UGA game. I wonder if he will get fined this week ????
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 19, 2020, 7:56 AM
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Hes immune now
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 19, 2020, 8:16 AM
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can anyone explain to me why football coaches and baseball managers have to wear masks on the sideline or in the dugout. these guys are tested over and over just like the players are. it is mind boggling to me. but of course we all know the reason. pure optics and part of the narrative.
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 19, 2020, 9:45 AM
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Also, why don't football coaches have to wear uniforms like baseball coaches?
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 19, 2020, 1:36 PM
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It's the appearance of complying with the protocol which makes absolutely no sense to start with. You must wear your mask to walk to your table but then you can take it off and spit partially digested food everywhere as you talk while eating. You can also riot your ### off and that in no way contributes to the spread.
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Re: Vols fined $100,000 for Pruitt wearing his mask like an old
Oct 19, 2020, 3:18 PM
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Salt, meet wound.
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