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I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 10:44 AM
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of these school shootings and other senseless shootings. It is terrible. It is sad we cannot send our children and kids to school without the constant fear of them being shot. I cannot even begin to imagine what the families go through. As a society, we have to do better, and we have to figure this out. I am not saying shootings can be completely stopped but there has got to be a way to protect our children and kids. There is such a stigma with mental illness now a days that a lot of people are afraid to admit they need help.
Sorry T-Netters, I know this is not Clemson related so I apologize. I just feel so sad right now for the victims and their families.
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Me too. It's inexcusable.***
Nov 14, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 10:46 AM
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No apologies are needed, we all feel it too...
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 10:52 AM
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I mean it truly makes me sad. I was so angry watching the trial of the Parkland shooter I don't know why I subjected myself to it.
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That Judge should have thrown the defense attn's in jail
Nov 14, 2022, 11:41 AM
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during the sentencing phase.
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Re: That Judge should have thrown the defense attn's in jail
Nov 14, 2022, 11:42 AM
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I completely agree. They should have been held in contempt of court.
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Our culture is rotting***
Nov 14, 2022, 10:53 AM
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I think that is the biggest factor.
Nov 14, 2022, 11:00 AM
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Lack of discipline, lack of accountability, concern of liability, identity politics leading to everyone being things not people. To relate it to football, we need to get back to fundamentals as a society.
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We get that from parenting.***
Nov 14, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Mental health is not addressed, a taboo if it is and no $
Nov 14, 2022, 11:01 AM
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are allotted for it!
We ALL are mentally ill to a degree at time's in our long lives and thus need expert health & maybe treatment.
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Re: Mental health is not addressed, a taboo if it is and no $
Nov 14, 2022, 11:07 AM
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I agree Bill. There is such a stigma attached to mental illness that many don't seek the help they need because they are afraid of being labeled, losing their friends, losing their jobs or being made to feel like they are not normal. When I lost my one and only child at birth, I thought my life was over. So many times, I wanted to check out of this World. It was horrifying and terrible. Most counselors and physiatrists don't even take health insurance, it has to be paid out of pocket, so a lot of people won't seek help for financial reasons.
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I believe mental health is the major underlying problem here.
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Nov 14, 2022, 11:19 AM
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And one of the many reasons people do not get help, as you mentioned, is that it is ridiculously expensive to truly get help.
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Very true. There were people with Mental issues prior to
Nov 14, 2022, 12:18 PM
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the 1990's, which is when the mass-shootings came into being.
For hundreds of years there has been access to firearms of all types with very few random killing sprees.
But what did conceive and grow alongside the cultural rot starting in the 90's is the invention of the internet and social media.
I'm not suggesting any abolition or prohibition of the web, but I am saying that people will make false correlations to shootings and guns while ignoring the obvious correlation factors.
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Re: Very true. There were people with Mental issues prior to
Nov 14, 2022, 12:26 PM
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Agreed and I hate to say it, it makes me sound like an old fart, but video games glamorize murder. Not an excuse to shoot up schools and others but it contributes.
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All aspects of media - movies, shows, podcasts, video games
Nov 14, 2022, 12:46 PM
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give credibility & glory to beyond fringe behavior.
It has led / contributed to the rotting - A LOT ! ! !
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Re: Very true. There were people with Mental issues prior to
Nov 14, 2022, 2:57 PM
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There's absolutely no evidence to back that claim up. Does it desensitize you to it? Yeah to a degree. But it doesn't make anyone want to go commit murder. Just like playing Call of Duty doesn't make more people want to join the military. Media has always been used as more an outlet. Same with music, movies, art, etc. It let's frustrations out. And if someone can't distinguish fantasy or art from reality, then they're indeed not mentally there and need severe help.
I agree with your frustrations as is almost the entire country has the same frustrations about it. But we can't be making the same lazy accusations that we have for the last 30 years now.
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the method has changed
Nov 14, 2022, 1:14 PM
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overall, violent crime and murders are far lower today than in the 60s, 70s and 80s. In those days, assassinations and bombings/riots were more often the cause of violence. Since Columbine it has switched to these random mass shootings.
It's certainly a massive issue but it is not because of there being more violence as a whole or more evil people or something. It's the methods that change through the years, since ethe dawn of mankind.
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Has rotted.
Nov 14, 2022, 11:20 AM
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The older folks remember when school was a sanctuary. It was respected by parent, children, teachers and the community.
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Re: Has rotted.
Nov 14, 2022, 11:44 AM
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I remember in elementary school our biggest fears were running out of square pizza on Friday or recess being cut short because of inclement weather. I can remember the fire drills and sitting under our desk holding books above our heads in case of a natural disaster. We never feared being shot!
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Personal Responsibility
Nov 14, 2022, 11:01 AM
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We have to come up with some way to bring personal responsibility back. Need to eliminate excuses for bad behavior. The concept that I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY AND EVERY THING THAT I DO. No one else just me. Regardless of what happened before today.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 11:22 AM
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I'm saying school shootings can be completely stopped. I've worked in sales the last decade now. I've travelled to most manufacturing facilities in the upstate if not every one. Every single one of these places are locked down better than schools. Workplace violence is talked about and condemned frequently. You don't really hear about mass facility shootings like you do schools. If our kids are gonna be sitting ducks at least lock the place down with an armed guard at a security gate. Metal detectors for buildings. Locked down office entry ways with silent alarms like banks. It's not rocket science.
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This particular instance happened on a bus...
Nov 14, 2022, 11:39 AM
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What's your plan for that?
Should all those things be in place at churches too? How about malls, theaters, concerts, medical offices, night clubs, apartment complexes?
Just wondering if you're OK with stepping through metal detectors at every place you go to and raising taxes to pay for increased police/security presence.
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Re: This particular instance happened on a bus...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:41 PM
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Start today withdrawing federal dollars for NPR. That’s the first thing that would help.
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Re: This particular instance happened on a bus...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:43 PM
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Start today withdrawing federal dollars for NPR. That’s the first thing that would help.
Don't mean to sound ignorant but what is NPR? National Public Radio?
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Re: This particular instance happened on a bus...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Yes.
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Re: This particular instance happened on a bus...
Nov 14, 2022, 2:45 PM
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I don’t think you are the one who sounds ignorant in that exchange. Would be VERY interested in how NPR is at the root of school shootings…
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 18, 2022, 5:22 PM
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It's not rocket science, it's money. K-12 public schools in SC don't receive state, federal, or local funds to provide such services. It's that simple, no one really wants to pay up (taxes).
About 90% of funds go toward required personnel so not a lot of excess is leftover for "extras". I served 31 years as cfo for 5 districts. I remember one "easy" budget in 31 years. Most years it was deciding what to leave out, not what to add. Eight of those years there were no raises for me or other administrators. Once or twice teachers didn't even get raises and the entire district had to take unpaid furlough days.
Best way to move up was change districts.
I can't debate the need, I'd like to see more secure schools too but it might mean higher pupil/teacher ratios or, Gawd forbid, higher TAXES.
Talk to state legislators and local school board members. And watch them point fingers at each other!
Just sayin'.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Take the money we are sending to corrupt politicians in Ukraine, who are buying up property in Switzerland and use to secure our schools and the border. Stop the flow illegal drugs into the country, which is killing many more kids than school shootings. God Bless America!
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We never seem to want to ask the hard question - over the
Nov 14, 2022, 11:56 AM
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last 40 years, what has changed in our society that young people have so little value of life that murder is a justifiable action? There have always been instances of violent people among us but it seems to be much more common occurrence than it was when I was young.
Is it a growth in mental illness - if so why? Is it a loss of moral values that used to place a premium on life? Is it the inability of some young people to cope with anger, rejection, or some other emotion that leads them to commit violent acts?
Until we look in the mirror and start addressing/understanding the "why" and not just the "how" of the violence these tragedies are going to continue.
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Re: We never seem to want to ask the hard question - over the
Nov 14, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Great post my friend. We truly need to answer these questions.
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Over the last 60+ years we have told kids...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:46 PM
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1. They are just a bunch of molecules arranged by random chance.
2. There is no supreme being (God) who intelligently designed them for a purpose in life.
3. There is no absolute truth, only your truth and my truth. Truth is an opinion, not a fact.
4. If it feels good do it.
5. I want it; I want it all; I want it now.
6. Killing innocent children in the womb is a constitutional right.
7. Sex, gender and biology are unrelated. There are 93 genders and counting.
8. Somebody else is responsible for paying your debts.
9. The government is responsible for taking care of your needs and wants.
10. The cosmos is all there is, all there was, and all there ever will be. (Carl Sagan)
11. The theory of evolution is a scientific fact in spite of scientific evidence that is contrary to it.
12. The universe came into existence from nothing with nothing directing it. (Nothing took nothing and created something out of nothing.) Talk about blind faith!
And, we wonder why our nation is in such terrible shape. Quite frankly, I'm amazed it's not far worse.
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Re: Over the last 60+ years we have told kids...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:53 PM
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I’m going to add to #4. If it feels good do it and if it’s wrong, it’s not your fault.
We are allowing too many excuses for bad behavior. We need to get back to some semblance of personal responsibility. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY AND EVERY THING I DO. No one else and not anything that has happened to me in the past. NO EXCUSES.
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Re: Over the last 60+ years we have told kids...
Nov 14, 2022, 4:15 PM
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I could have added several more.
1. You are a victim. It is never your fault.
2. There is no God, and even if there is, it doesn't matter. You are smarter than He is anyway.
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Re: This should perk you up...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:43 PM
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+1 for the Balzing Saddles reference.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:48 PM
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1. institutionalize the Nutt cases
2. Teach morality and the basis of morality. Guns have always been here. We didn't have school shootings until the Ten Commandments left the schools.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Unfortunately, a lot of times we don't realize or recognize who the "nut cases" are until it is too late.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:16 PM
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The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:12 PM
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I'll piggy back on this. My wife is a teacher. I know it's highly unlikely anything will happen....but if she were in almost any other field, I wouldn't even think about this. But what I'm #### sick of is that she puts it on the line every day only to come home and read BS all over social media. 2 years ago we praised our educators and used the word "hero". Today, we falsely blame them for indoctrinating our kids and being groomers. What a load of crap. Sorry to hijack the thread and rant. But I'm tired of the good people I know working for our kids to be pulled into a political stunt. We need to all do better
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Teachers should get out and start over in a new industry
Nov 14, 2022, 1:14 PM
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that they know some stuff about.
KnowwhatI'msayin' ? ? ?
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Re: Teachers should get out and start over in a new industry
Nov 14, 2022, 1:20 PM
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My man! How are you?
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:25 PM
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I understand what you’re saying and I agree with you. I salute your wife and all the other well meaning teachers looking after our kids and grands. However, the members of school boards that are pressing these teachers to teach CRT and other warped subjects has got to cease. These bad apples are starting to rot the whole harvest.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:28 PM
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See this is my point. CRT is ILLEGAL in SC. But the memes keep rolling. QAnon said they were coming for our schools. They're doing a great job.
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I was a community college faculty member when....
Nov 14, 2022, 4:25 PM
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.... the VT shooting occurred years ago. Probably because of my military background, the next day I went to my classroom stood where I usually teach, at the front of the room by the door, and asked myself, "You hear gunshots in the hallway. What do you do?" Took me less than 5 minutes to figure out the best way possible I could protect my students. I never expected it to happen. And, if it did, I might have panicked. But, I had a whole lot better chance to keep my head clear and act wisely because I had thought about it and made a plan.
I went to my office, sat at my desk and asked myself the same question. Because of the configuration of my office (no window in the door, second floor) it took less than 30 seconds to devise a plan.
Then I walked downstairs to our main faculty office (5 faculty members have private offices that all open to a common lobby that has a door in a wall that is all glass. (Anybody walking by can look into the commons area. 3 of the five offices had windows in their doors.) I asked them, "If you hear gunshots in the building, what would you do?" They all looked at me like I was crazy and said, "That would never happen here and laughed." I asked them again and two of them looked at me and said, "
Panic and call 911."
I would encourage anyone who works in a public area to take a few minutes and go through the mental drill, "What would I do if...."
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Should we arm our teachers? Or at least train the teachers who would like to carry and allow them to conceal carry if they choose as long as the weapon is always on their person and secured unless needed. Give our teachers at least a fighting chance if it becomes a last resort to protect our children.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 1:28 PM
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Yes.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 2:49 PM
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No…I think arming teachers is a horrible idea. Well meaning…but still a horrible idea.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 3:05 PM
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No…I think arming teachers is a horrible idea. Well meaning…but still a horrible idea.
Not saying you're wrong but why do you think it is a bad idea?
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 4:43 PM
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Statistically, school shootings are still VERY rare and bringing more guns into schools I think creates way more opportunities for a child to be injured/killed vs. the chances they are killed in an actual planned shooting. Controlled access and an armed resource officer actually at their post would be way more effective IMO. I also understand this takes money/resources…well, it’s time we put up or shut up. Either we really care or we don’t.
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It’s heartbreaking and needs to stop.***
Nov 14, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Re: It’s heartbreaking and needs to stop.***
Nov 14, 2022, 2:30 PM
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Agreed!
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There is a solution.
Nov 14, 2022, 3:13 PM
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Frequent death penalties and corporal punishment are deterrents. Swiftly eliminate the permanent underclass of violent criminals after a fair trial -- rich or poor, black or white, male or female. Start harsh punishments for murderers, rapists and violent criminals and watch crimes drastically decline.
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Re: There is a solution.
Nov 14, 2022, 3:15 PM
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I don't disagree with you but, Texas has that type of judicial system, and it does not seem to curb crime in Texas.
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Too many delays on Death Row IMHO
Nov 14, 2022, 4:04 PM
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Judges, juries and voters creates millions of victims by simply not harshly dealing with the worst criminal elements. This UVA case is a sad and curious outlier -- was it drug related? Girlfriend related? There is a cause and effect as the perpetrator appears to be a student not a career criminal.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 14, 2022, 3:30 PM
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There is no one perfect answer. THere are many factors that go into it and then there is the fact that we will always have f***ed up people that do things that defy logic and reason. Random people doing random stuff.
What keeps people in check (or not)? Religion. Family. Social convention. Media. Laws. Having a concept/construct of bsolute Right and absolute Wrong. Genetics.
I think what is going on today is due to a butterfly effect of lots of little changes that seem stupid or insignificant by themselves but add up over time.
Then there is the fact that bad stuff has always happened but before TV or when TV was more tightly controlled by the networks random violence in one part of the country might not make the 1hr national news, might not make the morning or evening paper that you get or if it did maybe a 1 in long single column on page 10 at best.
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110%er [5579]
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If you'd want to stop shootings
Nov 14, 2022, 8:39 PM
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...you need look no further than your own gov't. The Federal Government is responsible for winding these people up and funding them. The Deep State cabal has been trying to disarm law abiding Americans for decades and this is their vehicle. Law abiding citizens aren't the problem.
The FBI, DEA, CIA, etc...are.
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Re: If you'd want to stop shootings
Nov 15, 2022, 12:41 PM
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Yep, and mentally unstable people are never noticed until they do something really crazy!!!
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Re: If you'd want to stop shootings
Nov 15, 2022, 2:48 PM
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Actually, if you read the reports on most of these school shootings the shooter was a problem beforehand. Just look at the Parkland shooter. If the police had done their job it may have never happened. Like I said most not all of these cases started with a known mentally disturbed person that someone just ignored.
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We have a Well Funded Crazy Person Problem that needs investigating
Nov 15, 2022, 4:13 PM
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The real issue is that the general public is so easily mislead about what causes "mass shootings".
Almost always a crazy person in possession of an illegal firearm that LAW ENFORCEMENT was previously aware of.
It's a broken record, and people keep falling for it. We have a "well-funded crazy person" problem that needs to be looked into.
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Re: I am so tired...
Nov 15, 2022, 12:38 PM
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We should have stopped the courts from interfering with the raising of our kids when they first started threating to lock parents up for punishing their kids when they do bad things. Now the bad thing they do are unlimited bc there is no fear of punishment in the home where it must begin, not in schools or the courts, bc if we wait that late, it's already to late!!!
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