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Hey Bracketology Gurus answer this
Feb 13, 2024, 10:01 PM
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Why does the ACC have 4 projected teams vs the SEC having 9 in the latest espn bracketology?
Seems like the acc/sec challenge was a tie 7-7, though the ACC lead like 7-4 at one point.
They had some upset wins, so did we, including us taking down Bama on the road which still is their only home loss this season.
The acc still has more tourney wins and titles in last decade…
What has happened? Did we miss something?
Or is this more sec tv contract posturing etc??
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The NET is a horrible system
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Feb 13, 2024, 10:19 PM
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It is broken. Big 12 living off December routs. Check the league’s strength of schedule.
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Re: The NET is a horrible system
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Feb 13, 2024, 10:35 PM
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9 projected sec teams? Many have same or similar records to the acc, yet we just assume the sec is better than the acc in hoops all the sudden?
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Re: The NET is a horrible system
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Feb 13, 2024, 10:56 PM
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You're trying to compare it to football and you can't. 370 bball teams. Football has 75 legitimate teams. You can compare head to head in fb with 70 teams. This has been discussed ad nauseum in years past on T-Net. Net and kenpom are very detailed calculations and formulas.
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Re: The NET is a horrible system
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Feb 13, 2024, 11:08 PM
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It’s such a silly argument that belies little faith in the program (from some of its biggest defenders). The NET may not be ideal but is also isn’t some insane outlier. When Mountaineer is in here crying about Gonzaga every day and how evil the NET ranking is I’ve have directed him here many times:
https://masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb
53 different ranking methodologies in one convenient spot. Clemson average rating is 27. Our NET is 30. Gonzaga’s average ranking is 29. Their NET is 24. Obviously NET is favoring something in Gonzaga more than the average methodology. But both teams have “safely in” rankings from a large majority of these systems. The bulk of the whining and crying seems to be preemptively setting up excuses for Brownell since they know full well how the last 4 weeks of a season usually go for him.
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Re: The NET is a horrible system
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Feb 14, 2024, 7:54 AM
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Same old same old from viztiz.
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Re: The NET is a horrible system
Feb 14, 2024, 3:52 PM
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I made a post about clemson and gonzaga, and SCAR and gonzaga.
You are such a dramatic dweeb.
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Re: Hey Bracketology Gurus answer this
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Feb 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
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Acc will get at least 5, probably 6 but one's probably a playin team. Say what you will, the acc is down. Contrary to coach Brownlee but buds like cobbox, the net is a pretty good indicator. That said, they have outliers that have high net scores but won't get in. The committee takes that into consideration. The net calculates not only who you beat, but your performance as well.
Unless you're a conference auto bid, it matters how many quality teams you play. We'll get in even if we finish 6 or 7th in league standings. It's not designed like football where a win may mean more late year , nor should it be.
Like it or not, the b12 and the sec is a stronger top to bottom conference than the acc.
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The NET is horrible.
Feb 14, 2024, 8:43 AM
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At minimum, it shouldn’t be shrouded in secrecy. Teams deserve to know what is involved in the calculation so they can plan accordingly.
As for conference strength, the ACC’s record in the NCAA Tournament in recent years speaks to the strength of the conference.
It’s disingenuous for people here to say that the goal for Clemson is to make the NCAA Tournament and do well, but then say that the ACC sucks and NCAA Tournament success doesn’t matter. Which is it?!?
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Re: The NET is horrible.
Feb 14, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Thank you. If it weren’t deliberate his “disingenuous” comment would be peak irony.
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Re: Hey Bracketology Gurus answer this
Feb 13, 2024, 10:57 PM
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In a nutshell, the 3 worst teams in the SEC have 5 conference wins and only 2 wins against teams not in the bottom 3. The bottom 3 teams in the ACC have 9 conference wins - 7 against teams not in the bottom 3. The ACC did very poorly as a whole out of conference and now the very worst teams in the conference have proven the rest of the conference isn’t so great either.
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No guru here, but teams have to schedule for NET rankings. Clemson finally
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Feb 14, 2024, 7:49 AM
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did that this year through strategy and good fortune (some teams over performed like TCU this year). So it is hard to decipher, but it's all about the computer algorithm.
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We tried to do it last year too, but were unfortunately the victims of some
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Feb 14, 2024, 1:08 PM
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bad draws in early season tournament (e.g., Cal).
I'm glad it has worked out this year, as we have played a really challenging schedule (and have done well with it!).
It has also helped that we've avoided bad losses like we had last year.
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Its good its helping us this year
Feb 14, 2024, 1:39 PM
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But yeah it’s pretty silly if you look at it. Even before this past week of wins we were still considered solidly in at 4-6 in the ACC while last year we were left out at 14-6 in the Acc.
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Unfortunately for us...
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Feb 14, 2024, 8:45 AM
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When Clemson is winning in basketball it brings the overall perception of the ACC down. It's similar to when Wake Forest or Duke make the ACCCG for football in Charlotte, and the critics talk about how weak the conference is. Except Clemson doesn't play in the ACCCG in basketball.
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Change your thinking and change your life
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Feb 14, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Get PAWSITIVE please...
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Thank you for the uplifting...
Feb 14, 2024, 9:43 AM
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TD. 
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Re: Thank you for the uplifting...
Feb 14, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Seems like a mixed message to me
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Re: Unfortunately for us...
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You’re 100% correct and it speaks to multiple issues. One is that this is why Brad’s inconsistency hurts us and the ACC. When we’re only good every 4th, 5th or 6th year the impression remains entrenched. Barnes and Purnell (not longing for either, just a matter of fact) built programs that made the tourney consistently and effectively broke this perception. This season, based on our non-conference performance, we were viewed as one of the 3 best programs in the ACC - some pundits even having us best at one point (based on highest Bracket Mattix seeds). While that may slightly diminish the ACC’s overall standing with the casuals - it was certainly adequate appreciation for Clemson itself. Then, in turn, the ACC team still currently viewed as likely to finish 4th in standings, falls below .500 only 3 games into the conference slate and takes 12 games to climb back to .500 sitting at a tie for 8th. We’ve lost to one of the worst Power 5 teams in the country (GT). By NET ranking, there are only six Power 5 teams worse than GT. Two of them also in the ACC. There is no grand conspiracy. The ACC is generally viewed as down when Clemson is up because usually, as is definitely the case this year, the ACC is way down. The ACC hasn’t had a #1 in the tourney in 5 years - that’s either already the longest such streak since the tourney expanded or will be this year since UNC was already a bubble 1 seed before losing to Syracuse.
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Re: Hey Bracketology Gurus answer this
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Feb 14, 2024, 1:00 PM
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Remember last year. More SEC teams than ACC. But, as the tournament progressed, ACC outperformed SEC
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