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The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 4, 2023, 9:27 PM
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All the recent rule changes have made it better. It is inexcusable.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 4, 2023, 9:32 PM
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They’ve been calling balls and strikes with umpires several years now, and it’s now ruining the game? Is football ruined for u when an offensive lineman is holding a defender and it isn’t called. Or what about when there is a no-call on a pass interference that would have been a touchdown. Do you quit watching
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 4, 2023, 9:33 PM
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Thanks for the crappy analogy. The technology already exist that has rendered umpires calling balls and strikes obsolete. They should only be back there to call plays at the plate
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 5, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Then why not let pitching machines pitch and robots bat. Have to keep up with technology you know.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
Oct 5, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Then why not let pitching machines pitch and robots bat. Have to keep up with technology you know.
That's not even close to the same and I feel dumber for reading it.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
Oct 6, 2023, 9:40 AM
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This is why most of the population should NOT VOTE!
Clueless, ignorant, the stupid, and any combo of the 3: stay the F home-you don't have enough f----- sense to cast an informed ballot! And it wouldn't make me sad if women and minorities DNV en masse as well(far too impressionable, mercurial, an
innate opposition to concepts of logic), (if this is offensive to some? the truth hurts)
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Shut yer YAP!
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Oct 4, 2023, 9:41 PM
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Signed,
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Orange Blooded [3047]
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It's The Theater of The Game
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Oct 4, 2023, 9:50 PM
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The umpire is the central character in the theater of a baseball game. You're not supposed to argue balls and strikes, but they do every now and then. The manager and umpire going at it are like the fight at the hockey game. All part of the game.
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All-In [30460]
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Thats ridiculous. Ill take accuracy over sports theater any day
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Re: Thats ridiculous. Ill take accuracy over sports theater any day
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Oct 5, 2023, 11:36 AM
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You literally have no clue.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 4, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but I disagree. Baseball is a beautiful game and unless an ump is purposefully siding with one team or another then at the end of the day it should all equal out. Not everything needs to be 'computerized'. It's still a game - let it be.
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Surely you didn't create an account just to confess...
Oct 6, 2023, 9:25 AM
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that you too, agree w/ this 100% sh!+4brains viewpoint? No idea an umpire fetish actually existed in this great of a #.
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Always a Braves Fan
Oct 4, 2023, 10:59 PM
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BUT this is the major reason I no longer watch any MLB.
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never a Braves fan
Oct 5, 2023, 9:03 AM
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but this doesn't bother me at all
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 4, 2023, 11:30 PM
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the ACTUAL solution, is to punish umpires who consistently make bad calls (looking at you angel hernandez!) but that will never happen because the union protects them. heck you cant even talk about the calls after the game without getting a fine.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 5, 2023, 7:06 AM
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That called strike on Harper on his check swing was ludicrous.
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One of the worst I've ever seen
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Oct 5, 2023, 10:42 AM
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I would've gotten ejected there too. Not sure how anyone is supposed to calmly wall back to the dugout after a call that bad.
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And that's saying something for that guy.***
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 5, 2023, 12:23 AM
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I have no idea why this is on TigerNet but since I'm here..if you want precison then do it electronically, like Tennis, we can do this, You could do the same in football if you wanted. Still the human interest helps keep it emotional with human calls good or bad and varies for many reasons. For example, calling balls and strikes has been studied in depth as to what contributes to the normal error (i.e. bad calles} and factors like stadium air quality leads to more Ump errors - but error is the same for both teams so you win some and you lose some. I think replay in football corrects most errors but you can't reply every pitch!!
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Way too hard to implement that in football. Too many moving bodies in football
Oct 5, 2023, 12:43 AM
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whereas in baseball and tennis there are more clear views
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Re: Way too hard to implement that in football. Too many moving bodies in football
Oct 5, 2023, 1:43 AM
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You are, no doubt an authority on the latest, tip of spear, camera technology. In your native r€t@rd ebonics, ¿You be like on da NFL rules committee or sumtin, dropping all dat knowledge?
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
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Oct 5, 2023, 1:26 AM
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Too true, saddened by the idiots who whine about the umpire (the human element)being a fixture, an umremovable part of the foundation, vital to the continued life of MLB. That is deranged crazy talk of someone who should be fitted for a straight jacket and summarily sterilized; i.e.type of individual who cast a ballot for Joe Biden—
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Post started well
Oct 5, 2023, 10:54 AM
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Then you went full ######. You never go full ######.
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Why are the pitchers and batters still human?
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Oct 5, 2023, 3:59 AM
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Couldn’t robots through more perfect pitches? Maybe even faster!!!
And just think of the amazing, towering home runs robots could hit!!!
Ban the humans!!!
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Yeah, this sounds like something a...
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Oct 5, 2023, 5:47 AM
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Biden lackey would offer as a counter. Most fans of sports aren't drawn to the spectacle of watching a judge, mediator, referee, umpire, or score keeper complete their requizet task of: not ephing the event up with their mistakes. Ideally, most fans don't want to have even noticed their presence. A task more suited for a machine when the technology exists. Most don't share your desires to: play the umpires voyeur. But OK, that's not a shock considering your adoration the pathalogically depraved, embecile Biden. Let's go Brandon!
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Re: Yeah, this sounds like something a...
Oct 5, 2023, 6:56 AM
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go outside and touch grass
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Ouch! Low blow...
Oct 5, 2023, 10:38 AM
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Limping to the mods about this
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I honestly dont care but curious
Oct 5, 2023, 7:04 AM
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If we let technology call balls and strikes, would we eliminate the home plate umpire altogether? Or does he just need to be there for timeouts and safe/out calls at the plate. What about the other umpires? Can their jobs be replaced with instant replay? I guess such a move might have saved Cam in the playoffs last spring.
IDK, I guess I am a bit of a traditionalist, but as stated previously, I really don’t care. Seems like many of the ref functions in football could be replaced with technology, too. Now, I might fight you on that one.
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My Favorite Umpire
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Oct 5, 2023, 7:12 AM
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Ron Luciano, a former All American football tackle for Syracuse, somehow found his way to MLB as an umpire. Among other things, he would bond with the catchers and some days when he just couldn't pick up the pitch, he would let them call balls and strikes. They would hold strikes a second longer. He also took care of the catchers when they were at bat. He said the catchers never snitched on him. Baseball has so many levels to the game.
https://sundaylongread.com/2023/09/27/a-peacock-among-pigeons-ron-luciano-baseballs-last-celebrity-umpire/
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Amazing thing about this thread is how completely off-point
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Oct 5, 2023, 7:16 AM
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it is.
Given 30 teams, 162 games per, and an estimated average of 125 pitches per game, 21 thousand missed calls
is an estimated error rate of 3.4%.
The error rate, not the gross proposed fictional number of missed calls, is what's important. So, 3.4%.....
This in a game where a batter strikes out 20% of the time, pitchers throw 30-35% balls, the MLB fielding error rate has historically hovered at around at least 1.5 to 2%, and most batters can't go to the plate without making an out more than, ouch, 70% of the time.
Partsunknown is right: this is more about how certain people face the world, than not.
Thinking that the world around them could or should be made perfect, and just for them, is Strike One.
Thinking that they are the ones who can decide how to make the world perfect is Strike Two.
Thinking that Technology is the general answer for making the world perfect, or that they know how to apply technology in a perfect way is Strike Three.
So.... what's even more clear is that Narcissism and Megalomania invade everything.... sports included. Well that, and that the majority of the population has little clue as to how the personality traits of those around them impact things...
Just saying.
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Re: Amazing thing about this thread is how completely off-point
Oct 5, 2023, 7:28 AM
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### are you talking about?
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Re: A total of 125 pitches per game - TOTAL ? That seems low.***
Oct 5, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Shoulda been doubled. 125 per team. Cutting error rate in half.
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He's actually correct although it's presented oddly
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Oct 5, 2023, 12:20 PM
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It's not actually 162 x 30 MLB games because 2 teams play in each game. The total number of MLB games is 162 x 15. However, if you calculate it like that you need to add both teams pitch totals for each game which would be roughly 250, not 125.
By using 125 pitches per team, he was actually correct to use the 162 x 30 for total number of games.
So it's either 162 x 15 x 250 or 162 x 30 x 125
You arrive at the same conclusion.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
Oct 5, 2023, 9:26 AM
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For now, I'd be fine with taking action against the worst umpires, i.e. Angel Hernandez. Yeah, calling balls and strikes is tough but if you aren't cut out for it or you can't keep up anymore, move them out of the game. Name a Braves fan that doesn't still hate Eric Gregg.
This replay stuff feels like Saturday morning wrestling when the Road Warriors would lose a match b/c somebody crawled out from under the ring to hit them with a chair. Everybody saw it but nothing was ever done about it.
Every D1 and professional league has the means and resources to get the calls right. Grand standing on the tradition of humans doing human things is just plain hokey when it comes to that.
With the options of cameras and lasers there simply isn't a reason, at the major sports levels, every advancement shouldn't be used. Did he step out of bounds on that run? I don't know. Let's check the laser. Did his shoe break the beam at .01 inches or was that his towel swinging out at 3 feet above the field. It's just too easy at this point.
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Baseball sucks because of the umps
Oct 5, 2023, 10:11 AM
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Influence. Refuse to watch games that are not even close to being accurate.
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I completely agree. Been arguing your point for years!***
Oct 5, 2023, 10:17 AM
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
Oct 5, 2023, 10:50 AM
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As long as they keep Angel Hernandez out of the game, I could care less what else they do.
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Re: The fact that MLB still lets human beings call balls, and strikes is ruining the game even after
Oct 5, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Complaining about the officials is a coot tradition.
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Yes snowflake its called facts. Not
Oct 5, 2023, 1:08 PM
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Complaining just stating the obvious to people with a brain.
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Re: Yes snowflake its called facts. Not
Oct 5, 2023, 1:16 PM
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With lasers calling balls and strikes you would see batting averages skyrocket
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I understand your point
Oct 5, 2023, 1:27 PM
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but you have 2 sides to every argument.
Purist want umpires like it has always been, but want them as perfect as possible. Thus training them endlessly but still coming to a 3% rate of incorrect calls. That is 1 out of every 33 pitches which is something that any player/coach/fan should be able to live with.
They are not perfect, and miss some calls that to viewers seem obvious. However, the game with a computized strike zone does not seem like the worst idea. The object is to get the call right every time, but with humans that simply is not ever going to happen.
Honestly I do not mind a computized zone for balls/strikes. Umpire is still there, as always, but he simply makes the call as given to him. You will still have arguments between players, coaches, umps, but at least it will be based on a zone that is accurate. It would be funny to see coaches getting tossed for a strike zone determined by a digitized zone that is set to 100% accuracy when the ball crosses the plate. This has long been a source of contention, that the ump calls is where catcher receives the ball, which does not always follow the trajectory of an off-speed pitch.
I am good either way, I love baseball and always will no matter what they do. Clemson football is my passion, sometimes too much lol Baseball is the sport I enjoy the most, grew up with it and always played up until college level.
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