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All-TigerNet [11004]
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Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Going on 14 years as the HC at Clemson, Dabo and the Tigers have had 1 undefeated season.
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 8:41 AM
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It's not about the loss. It's being dominated by an average team. It's not having an offensive identity. It's playing soft defense.
We will lose games and anyone who gets upset over a loss doesn't know football. It is hard to win. But having two weeks to prepare, then crapping the bed across the board shows the problems go deeper than just losing a game.
Alabama lost twice so far this year and probably should have lost 4. But they were in both of those losses until the end of the game. If we're competitive in a loss, okay fine, the better team won. When we look like we don't belong on the field then that's where a lot of fans have issues.
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 8:52 AM
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They are not an average team. If it’s our talent - as measured by recruiting rankings - that causes the perception that we should have won easily, then you are simply mistaken. Per the 247 composite they are the 10th most talented team in the country. we’re 5th, but closer to Notre Dame than we are 1st place. Perhaps it was thinking they were an average team that helped lay the trap.
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Orange Blooded [3213]
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 9:03 AM
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Okay, we shouldn't be dominated by a team with losses to Stanford and Marshall. Better?
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 9:17 AM
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If that helps you stay angry and unhappy, and you feel like that’s what you want from being a football fan then, by all means, go for it. Nations longest win streak went into a notoriously difficult place to play and everyone believed it would be a cakewalk precisely for the reasons you’re still hung up on. They are a talented team adjusting to a new head coach. They have the talent to play with anyone. We can’t scream that we have the talent to beat anyone then dismiss it when our opponent has the same. The transitive property does not apply in college football.
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Nonsense
Nov 8, 2022, 10:44 AM
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We got blasted off the field by a team that couldnt beat stanford or marshall. Period. Failure to acknowledge that fact is just making excuses. If you dont want to see the major issues with this team, fine, go on about your merry way, but to act like the rest of us are seeing things that arnt there is ridiculous and childish.
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Re: Nonsense
Nov 8, 2022, 11:08 AM
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You can be aware of weaknesses without throwing petulant tantrums and making false arguments to support your tantrum. Which matters? That our talent is really great and lost or that we’re losing to a “bad” team that lost to other “bad” teams. Notre Dame is a top 10 team on paper. They have 2 losses to bad teams. We’re a top 5 team on paper that has a bad loss to a good team. It’s really like none of you watch college football at all. Yes, this team has issues. If only we had a coach who knew how to scale the mountain. Perhaps we should get rid of this one and fine one who can. Any suggestions? Or should we have a coach who listens to message board geniuses. How many posts will it take for you to get it out of your system that you think Clemson football owes you something and you aren’t happy. It’s been noted.
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Serious question: have you watched any other clemson games
Nov 8, 2022, 11:15 AM
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The last 2 years? Seems like not. As mentioned ad nauseam, this is far from a one game issue.
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Re: Serious question: have you watched any other clemson games
Nov 8, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Yes, I’ve watched every game and I never said there weren’t issues. What exactly are you accomplishing though. I mean - I get it. Im wasting my time too. You aren’t gonna stop. But you aren’t saying anything we don’t all see. We understand you want Dabo to fire everybody on the staff, hiring the bestest coordinators whose names you already happen to know, and use the portal more. Hopefully when he is done taking all the TNet suggestions we can be successful like, say, Texas A&M. I assume you’re countering my inquiry about watching college football asking if I’ve watched the last 2 years of Clemson football. But you didn’t actually respond. College football is an absolute sh*t show right now. Alabama hasn’t just lost 2, they’ve struggled in 4. Texas A&M is the 4th best team in the country and absolutely stink. Texas is one spot below us at 6th and has 3 losses. Oklahoma is 9th - how are they doing? Notre Dame were 10 and lost to trash teams. Covid, NIL, the portal, super seniors - they’re all wreaking havoc on the sport. But we should definitely assume we’re immune to all of it and Dabo’s philosophy is our problem and we should find a way to force him to change. Seems like a recipe for success.
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 3:09 PM
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They also handled a Syracuse team that we struggled with
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In 27 years of Head Coaching at Alabama and elsewhere,
Nov 8, 2022, 8:44 AM
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Nick Saban has.....one undefeated season.
Undefeated seasons are tough to come by. FIFTEEN AND OH undefeated seasons are REAL tough to come by. Only Dabo Swinney and the Cookie Monster have one of THOSE since Penn did it back in 1897, which was before football even really got organized.
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Re: In 27 years of Head Coaching at Alabama and elsewhere,
Nov 8, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Only 11 teams have undefeated seasons in that same 14 years.
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If you polled Tnet I think you'd find......
Nov 8, 2022, 8:48 AM
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that the LOSS is not what fans are upset about.
use your eyes and be honest with yourself about this year's team.......and last year's for that matter.
you play with fire so many times you're destined to be burned..........it's been a long time coming........even David Hood admitted as much.
you can't stick your head in the sand and ignore how we've actually PLAYED.
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Re: If you polled Tnet I think you'd find......
Nov 8, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Spot on pheebo. Same reason I dislike the dancing when we win stuff when we play like complete crap and eek out a win. I’m relieved and grateful for the win. But it’s frustrating when our guys don’t play anywhere near up to their potential, win or lose. And when we get absolutely destroyed like Sat night in South Bend, it’s more than just a single loss. Bottom line is, if you’re playing mediocre to poor football for too many quarters the losses will happen. Can’t win all the close ones. I don’t have the stats but it fees like we win more close games than most. And I’m grateful for that. But right now, I’m more concerned about the way we are playing, and have been for a fair amount of this season. Far more concerned about whether we can put together a good game plan and execute vs Louisville than our 1 loss which is done and over with.
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Re: If you polled Tnet I think you'd find......
Nov 8, 2022, 10:39 AM
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If the ND loss was a long time coming, then why all the angst from everyone. If something is inevitable, it should not be a surprise.
The 2016 loss to Pitt in DV and 2017 loss at Syracuse were just as bad a losses and in some ways worse because there was no comparison in talent (on paper). ND is equal on paper except at QB. The difference is that they use the QB as a game manager and try to eliminate any impact his play will have on the outcome.
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because the COACHES didn't see it coming.......
Nov 8, 2022, 11:01 AM
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that's a PROBLEM.
yay! dance after wins.....8-0 no problems............pay no attention to the game within the games.
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Re: because the COACHES didn't see it coming.......
Nov 8, 2022, 11:13 AM
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No. They definitely didn’t see it coming. Only you and a cadre of elite college football analysts on TNet have figured it out. Gold stars all around. Are you really mad that the team celebrated wins? That’s what’s chapping you ###? How exactly would you handle the team differently? Do you honestly believe you have a better idea how to manage a locker room than Dabo Swinney? Is your hubris so great that you really think you see things he doesn’t just because he doesn’t acknowledge them in this media appearances? I don’t have to be a cultist who thinks he’s perfect to know he sees anything related to our football performance that you do and is aware of exponentially more variables than you have ever considered.
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Re: because the COACHES didn't see it coming.......
Nov 8, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Can’t reason with them. We all know there are big problems especially in the passing game. We acknowledge that but we are still cultists. The OP said “ Going on 14 years as the HC at Clemson, Dabo and the Tigers have had 1 undefeated season.” Trying to explain that expecting to be undefeated on a regular basis is not realistic just doesn’t register with these guys. How many 1 loss seasons in that time? How many10 plus win seasons? These guys are probably all perfect in their work and home lives too. Reality is life sometimes jumps up and smacks you right in the teeth. No matter who you are or what you do.
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Re: If you polled Tnet I think you'd find......
Nov 8, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Agreed. It’s not the loss, it’s how we lost and how pathetic we looked on offense. Two weeks of preparation to look so unprepared and inept. Our OC was surprised by the weather and admittedly changed the game plan, to not having one. Why does Dabo carry the play sheet on offense and appear to be calling the plays? It seems he doesn’t have confidence in the OC he hired. Maybe he’s just ordering pizza, I could be wrong. The “eye test” was very ugly and none of the coaches “saw this coming” ? Stevie Wonder did, along with many.
Beat Louisville, Go Tigers !!!
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Re: Reality - also....
Nov 8, 2022, 8:49 AM
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In the same time frame, Alabama has had only 2 undefeated seasons. Of Saban's 6 natty's at Bama (that's just sick, btw), only two had undefeated seasons. The rest were one-loss seasons.
Like Dabo has said, it's not easy to win. Nothing is guaranteed. The game is not played on paper. Both teams show up and both teams have to play. That's how it's settled. Sometimes one is better prepared, mentally and otherwise, than the other and they get the upset. Ask the SunBelt teams about that this year.
Reality is also that only 4 teams out of 131 in the FBS will make the playoffs. 127 teams will not make the playoffs.
We ain't done yet, folks! Ain't no fat lady singing and ain't nobody sticking a fork in us! We still have the league championship in front of us as well as the state championship. There's a LOT of football left to be played!
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Re: Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 8:52 AM
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1 undefeated season is good enough and there are millions of fans, thousands of players and hundreds of coaches that would love that. Losing 11 games in the last 8 years including this year is a record for history that will be hard to ever top.
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hardcore Reality
Nov 8, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Grease 2 is better than Grease 1
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