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People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 6:53 PM
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What resources are we lacking?
We have pretty much a new LittleJohn
We have new practice facility
We have new players locker room
We pay our head coach in the upper half of pay scale for ACC coaches while his wins don’t reflect his pay
I seriously ask what else does Clemson basketball need?
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 6:55 PM
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Ask Judge Keller. He knows everything.
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 6:57 PM
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Ha!
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 6:57 PM
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The person that says that is a liar pimping Brownell
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2023/march-madness-2023-ncaa-top-seed-budgets-1234712159/
Clemson’s basketball operating budget in 2022 was $8.6 million - on par with Purdue, near median and average of the 64 teams that made the tourney, and after difference between Bill Self and Brownell’s salaries almost identical to Kansas.
He can post it as many times as he likes. It’s a complete lie.
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:53 PM
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NEFF WILL DO WHAT IS NEEDED. HE DOES NOT NEED MY HELP AND HE SURE AS HE!! DOES NOT NEED THE HELP OF VIZCOOT AND NCCOOT WHO NEVER EVEN GO TO THE GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 7:56 PM
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Authority fallacy. Look it up. You suffer from it in spades.
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Looking at the graphic in your link, I estimate (hard to tell exactly) 6 out of 28 Power 5 teams have a (slightly) lower budget than your quoted 8.8 m Clemson budget. Your assertion of the number of teams doing better with less budgets is disingenuous by including automatic qualifiers.
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 6:57 PM
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To be honest, to be a basketball first school. A d that will be er happen. But you can win at both. I think it was 2006 that Florida and Ohio State played each other for the basketball national championship. Those are both football schools. So it is possible. But may be more difficult at Clemson
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Clemson basketball needs a new coach who brings a new winning culture.
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Only lacking 2 things, coaching and talent - there than that, we're top tier***
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:26 PM
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This basketball team is difficult to
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:50 PM
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Describe. Personally I think the talent is there to be a top 25 team. I think that the coach CAN BE a winner but (there’s always a but) But he needs to clean up a few things. Every game sees the Tigers out played for ten minutes or so and, in this league, that is a lot! The Good guys really played well today at home except for a short period that saw UVA take a small lead. The Tigers responded late and had a chance to pull it out. I have no idea how you can coach players to have that much needed killer instinct but it sure is lacking in this team. And others that BB has coached.
In close guys the Tigers get killed on the boards. That is something that should be possible to fix.
The game today really was a MUST win and should have been. The next game is a toughie. Let’s see how the good guys respond!
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Its not just about what we pay Brad or facilities.
Feb 3, 2024, 8:50 PM
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He is paid fairly. We are top half of the ACC on average under Brad.
Our facilities are nice. They don’t hold us back anymore, but they don’t have the wow factor.
A big issue we’ve had is a low budget for assistants. This has gotten better under Neff, but it’s still not what it could be.
As I’ve posted about in the past, we spend less on basketball than just about every other ACC team. Is that acceptable to you, assuming you want to have a program that is among the ACC’s best?
We also need to do a better job fighting the perception that we care too much about football at the expense of basketball. Nobody thinks we care much about basketball at Clemson. That makes recruiting even harder.
I hope this helps.
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Re: Its not just about what we pay Brad or facilities.
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:56 PM
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He is paid fairly. We are top half of the ACC on average under Brad.
Our facilities are nice. They don’t hold us back anymore, but they don’t have the wow factor.
A big issue we’ve had is a low budget for assistants. This has gotten better under Neff, but it’s still not what it could be.
As I’ve posted about in the past, we spend less on basketball than just about every other ACC team. Is that acceptable to you, assuming you want to have a program that is among the ACC’s best?
We also need to do a better job fighting the perception that we care too much about football at the expense of basketball. Nobody thinks we care much about basketball at Clemson. That makes recruiting even harder.
I hope this helps.
You toatally ignored Viztiz about budgets? What a troll....
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I dont see vizcoots posts.
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Don’t really care what he has to say.
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Re: I dont see vizcoots posts.
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Feb 3, 2024, 10:18 PM
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That is because I post evidence of your lies so there is no rebuttal. Ignoring that allows your Clemson hating, trolling ### to continue on.
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Re: Its not just about what we pay Brad or facilities.
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Feb 3, 2024, 10:37 PM
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He's paid fairly
Littlejohn isn't a "hindrance"
He has assistants who are upcoming.
We have had plenty of talent.
We are not consistently in the upper half. Even if it were true, we have only, EVER, won 1 regular season championship and 0, I repeat ZERO, ACC tourneys.
I don't care what demographics you want to throw up, the previous statement is unacceptable. Other acc teams have won the tourney with less. Brownell has had his chances and has blown them like a $2 female of street working status. Brownell has had plenty of time to prove himself. He has failed miserably. Time he moves on
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What other ACC teams have won the ACC tourney with less?
Feb 3, 2024, 10:46 PM
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Re: What other ACC teams have won the ACC tourney with less?
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Feb 3, 2024, 11:16 PM
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NC State
Notre dame
Miami
FSU
Pretty much any team not named UNC, duke
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Re: What other ACC teams have won the ACC tourney with less?
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Feb 3, 2024, 11:20 PM
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Virginia Tech, with a Wofford coach and 4 ex-Wofford players /recruits, winning the ACC tourney, was sure fun to watch while the Terriers are now back to sucking.
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Yeah but what can be done to knock the thing off high center?
Feb 3, 2024, 10:44 PM
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Basketball will always play second fiddle to football; there's no real way around it, even if they were to win the ACC and/or put together a string of runs in the tourney.
It always comes back to expectations, which you rightfully suggest are too low.
But...they're a basketball program wrapped inside a football school wrapped inside a basketball conference.
How high should expectations be?
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Re: Yeah but what can be done to knock the thing off high center?
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Feb 3, 2024, 11:23 PM
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There is no reason why, in, what, 70+ years in the acc, we have only won 1 regular season championship and 0 tourneys. Even as a football first school, this is unacceptable.
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Maybe we should be in the sec. We could probably win one there
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
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Feb 3, 2024, 10:09 PM
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Just make the tournament every once in a while. Maybe make a run in the tournament occasionally. That's really not asking to much . I believe the budget is there to accomplish this. If it can't be done then get rid of Basketball and give the money to Baseball and Softball.
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 10:14 PM
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People = Judge Keller & Mountaineer
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Re: People say we dont have the resources in basketball to be top tier
Feb 3, 2024, 10:17 PM
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A new head coach
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