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All-In [44054]
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NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:00 PM
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No one here ever talks about it. I find that interesting, if not weird, since NIL is discussed here daily on the football board and is regularly blamed for our football program's woes.
Since many of you don't like the direction our basketball program is headed, have you ever wondered if NIL is a factor, and if so, how we can make it better for our basketball players?
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:03 PM
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Few are getting paid well—
Nil is not the issue with this team it is the coach and always has been period!!!
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Oh, I don't think NIL is a valid excuse.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Not for basketball, and not for football.
I just think it's odd that it dominates the Clemson football conversation and seems to cause much hand wringing and pearl clutching, but it's never mentioned with regard to Clemson basketball.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:05 PM
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You’re busy today
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:06 PM
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No one here ever talks about it. I find that interesting, if not weird, since NIL is discussed here daily on the football board and is regularly blamed for our football program's woes.
Since many of you don't like the direction our basketball program is headed, have you ever wondered if NIL is a factor, and if so, how we can make it better for our basketball players?
Why doesn't Neff take $2M from Brad's $3M salary and bring in high quality recruiters?
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All-In [44054]
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Because $2 million a year would be underpaying Brad.***
Feb 6, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Id be interested to see what he makes after we fire him.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:12 PM
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I guarantee it will be less than $2M a year.
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Oculus Spirit [80413]
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No, brownell sucked long before nil came along.***
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Re: No, brownell sucked long before nil came along.***
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Only one losing season in 14 years and a ton of hurdles overcome says he does not suck. He may not have been in the dance as much as any of us wants but that does not mean he sucks. Its too bad we cant discuss this issue in an honest fashion.
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Easy to have a winning season with the pre conference games.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:44 PM
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This is disingenuous. The true measure is times punched a ticket to the dance. And it is not enough. So yes he does suck. He is capable of losing close games at the end of the game like no other.
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No one wants to encourage you***
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Most definitely a huge factor. I think it helps us though. At least we can get players paid. Gone are the days where only the top 5-6 teams in our conference pay players.
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Tell 'em shill II.
Feb 6, 2024, 1:19 PM
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All-In [44054]
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Some of our basketball players have NIL deals.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:04 PM
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I agree that it's generally a good thing for our program.
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Legend [16262]
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Your premise is a lie, as usual.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:16 PM
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NIL and hoops has been discussed here. D Hood even wrote an article about how NIL was being allocated per program on average, and hoops was outpacing football in that area.
You're getting sloppy in your trolling, ma'am.
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Re: Your premise - a lot easier to arrange NIL for 13 players vs. 85.***
Feb 6, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Excuse number 1003***
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:16 PM
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Tell 'em shill I
Feb 6, 2024, 1:18 PM
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 1:20 PM
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We were a bad team BEFORE NIL came along. Certainly, NIL can be used as a tool towards a bright future. But, it can't be used as an excuse for a history of mediocrity.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:52 PM
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Yeah before nil the elite teams were just paying players illegally.
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No one is making it an excuse for basketball.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:06 PM
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I just think it's odd that it is not ever discussed here regarding our basketball program.
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Re: No one is making it an excuse for basketball.
Feb 6, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Because it's the football board moron 🙄
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:33 PM
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I know a local businessman that has an NIL deal with the basketball team. Believe it or not, contrary to what you hear in the media (and regurgitated here) there are NIL deals being made in Clemson…
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All-In [44054]
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Yes, some of our players have NIL deals.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:06 PM
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I think it's a good thing.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Well PJ Hall is around 500K and word is Girard is around 400K. So that's not another excuse the Brownell cult can throw out there.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Nobody knows what those guys are actually getting. The only reporting I’ve seen has been guesses, usually based on social media followers.
HTH
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:04 PM
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The 500K for Hall comes from someone credible. The 400K on Girard is from an educated guess.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:28 PM
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I saw a $500k guess for Hall…it was based on social media followers and passed around on different internet forums as fact.
I’ve seen nothing to make me believe that number. Ask your source what that number is based on…
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I'm proud of the NIL deals our basketball players get.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:07 PM
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It helps to have a coach that isn't against it, and hasn't gone on public diatribes saying bad things about it.
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Re: I'm proud of the NIL deals our basketball players get.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:16 PM
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You lie yet again. Coach Swinney has said time and time again he's not against NIL, he's in favor of regulation. He has also said time and time again he doesn't want NIL to be a reason a player comes to Clemson, but he doesn't want it to be the reason a player leaves.
You hear what you want to hear. So troll away.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 1:56 PM
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So you are saying Brownell would coach better and the players would play better if we paid them more?
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:35 PM
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Dude..... people on this site cant be that dumb.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:56 PM
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Maybe not. Looks like when someone says something dumb on this site and gets called on it, they can just delete the dumb comment and all the replies go away with it….
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Most people on here who talk about NIL and the football program “woes” are linking NIL to their perceived decline in the program that correlated with the timing of the introduction of NIL payments. Since the basketball program has not experienced a decline in the last few years, it would be nonsensical to blame a decline that didn’t happen on NIL.
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Yes, I'm aware that NIL is used as an excuse for our football program's decline.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:09 PM
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It, along with the transfer portal and the supposed hate/jealousy of Dabo by the media, are the usual reasons given.
No one is using it as an excuse for our basketball program. NIL is a good thing for the program, and our coach embraces it and encourages his players to capitalize on NIL deals when they can.
I just think it's interesting that NIL is never brought up here as it relates to basketball.
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Re: Yes, I'm aware that NIL is used as an excuse for our football program's decline.
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Right. We don’t need excuses for our basketball program. The results haven’t changed.
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Ok, heres a legitimate question for you
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Feb 6, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Since you are taking your usual shots at Dabo in this comment and the previous one where you said “It helps to have a coach that isn't against it, and hasn't gone on public diatribes saying bad things about it.”
Who was the first college football player that you saw in a NATIONAL television commercial? Hint - For me it was a quarterback on a Dr. Pepper Fansville commercial.
So if Dabo is against NIL, doesn’t embrace it or encourage players to capitalize on it, how do you reckon that happened?
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She knows better. Throwing out known falsehoods to needle Dabo and
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Feb 6, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Clemson fans is just her schtick. As astute as she is with stat diving to illustrate why Brad is actually great and all us Taters are too dumb to know any better, the ignorant digs of hers like this are anything but.
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Re: She knows better. Throwing out known falsehoods to needle Dabo and
Feb 6, 2024, 4:19 PM
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JK isn’t very astute with those stats either. Got on here the other day whining about the multiple bogus fouls called against PJ and Ian in the first half of a game when in reality PJ had been called for one and none on Ian in the first half. Just makes up things to further the agenda. Probably won’t answer the question either.
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Re: Ok, heres a legitimate question for you
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Feb 6, 2024, 4:52 PM
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Additionally, Dabo’s trip to the state capitol to lobby for reduced state restrictions on NIL throws water on any “Dabo is against NIL” argument.
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Re: NIL and our basketball program.
Feb 6, 2024, 2:10 PM
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Clown, please realize that our basketball program is the exact same as it was before NIL existed.
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I've been told it's about $2.4 million
Feb 6, 2024, 2:15 PM
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this year for CUMBB.
When 110 Society launched, they came to my family and offered a 1:1 swap -- all the dollars that would usually go to IPTAY would be honored if given instead to 110.
And they asked for a little something extra for b-ball salaries, which are split between three big names, apparently. No one will say who they are.
Not hard to guess.
So, yeah, I think a lot about it and wonder how much it takes to keep a Bacot happy at UNC, for example, and how NIL is again tilting the competitive balance, widening the gaps between the haves/have-nots.
I assume CUMBB is a have-not, but, then again, the idea of just "playing for Duke" is no longer a selling point when their NIL spend is going to a couple of other guys, and Clemson's got a bag of money for me because I'm the best they can get.
And I wonder how big a piggy bank football has, and spends, on the guys there.
I'd demand transparency but who would I demand it of? The players? The dern collectives? It's so unbelievably opaque and, in my opinion, a load of crap as schools try to PR it into looking like something other than the huge money grab it truly is.
Until then, I'll have to sit and wonder like everyone else whether CUMBB NIL funding is on par with other ACC programs. And whether CUFB is on par with, say, other SEC programs.
Either way, donor ROI is non-existent, rendering the model unsustainable.
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Ask PJ Hall what it took to get him back...
Feb 6, 2024, 2:38 PM
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I heard somewhere in the area of $400K - $500K worth of NIL money. Basically, we had to match a 2-way rookie NBA contract.
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Did we have to promise him to be allowed to shoot through his slump too?
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Feb 6, 2024, 2:50 PM
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According to JK, he is not what we expected him to be.
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