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Orange Blooded [2275]
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Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Everyone keeps mentioning that is what we need to do. I thought going forward that the power 5 conference champion had a seat in the playoffs. If that is true what makes the pasture so much greener in another conference. I understand more money as a reason but just because we join the SEC or Big ten doesn't mean we want be a Mississippi or Wisconsin and because of the tough schedule not make the playoffs year in and year out.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:59 AM
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"I thought going forward that the power 5 conference champion had a seat in the playoffs. If that is true what makes the pasture so much greener in another conference."
The grass is greener because it has more fertili$er.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:59 AM
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At the end of the day it is all about the money. Just want to be on equal footing financially with the SEC and B18 or 20, or whatever they are up to now.
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Athletic Dir [871]
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As a fan and alum, I think it's all about the winning. Where can we be to stay
Dec 8, 2023, 11:16 AM
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afloat and win at this historic clip we've been following under Swinney. And if keeping that up is a chore, let's stay upper echelon and not go back to the football of the 90's.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
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Dec 8, 2023, 10:00 AM
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Yeah, I think it’s going to be pretty easy to make the top 12 by churning through the ACC. Getting in top 4 might be another story.
I’m seeing lots of posts nationally that there are only 2 power conferences now, and the ACC isn’t one of them. This has to be a problem for us eventually.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:29 AM
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And that's the reason the B1G and sec will cherry pick the BigXII and ACC. At some point, the B1G and sec will merge and that will be it.
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Athletic Dir [871]
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Oh I don't think so. Too many individually greedy people in charge
Dec 8, 2023, 11:17 AM
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to let happen.
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Nope. Four 16 team superconferences is coming next.***
Dec 8, 2023, 4:04 PM
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 11:21 AM
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Eventually, we could easily be on the outside looking in wondering how did our program get to this!!!
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Money is one thing but what it leads to is the other, which is our competitiveness and being able to still recruit at a high level. Without the right talent, this thing goes south pretty quickly.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 11:25 AM
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I think it will go north of the NORTH POLE if we don't get out of the ACC!!!
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Now that is a bad look
Dec 8, 2023, 10:23 AM
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For sure. Seems he should have recused himself from the entire committee role.
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Athletic Dir [871]
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Why does this matter? His brother the VP of production has the
Dec 8, 2023, 11:19 AM
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goods over him, and Bob Iger directed him (the bother) to use it to get Boo to influence the committee to leave out FSU instead of Bama? Is that why he looked like a hostage giving the explanation of the committee decisions? This all makes so much sense now.
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Re: Stuff like this
Dec 8, 2023, 10:27 AM
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As Boo is the AD of NC State I'm disappointed they aren't scheduled to play FSU next year. I was looking forward to that.
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Re: Stuff like this
Dec 8, 2023, 4:16 PM
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Take off the tin hat. Corrigans have ACC in their blood for decades and you think he'll throw the decision because his brother is a vp at ESPN. Cmon man, get real
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:33 AM
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SEC and Big 10 are stacked now. They do not want Clemson so what's the point. Clemson would have trouble winning in those two. ACC forever, people complain about Syracuse and BC now!
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 2:15 PM
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WRONG^^^
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Clemson would have less trouble winning in those two. Like all conferences they have a couple of good times and a bunch of mediocre teams. Don't buy the media hype.
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Two comments.
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Dec 8, 2023, 10:33 AM
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1. We are now down to P4, not P5. And, who says the rules will remain the same? I expect within a few years the rules will change where there are no automatic bids, just 12 (or 16 or whatever the size of the playoff is) at large bids.
2. Even if the rules stay the same. 5 automatic bids and 7 at large bids. Those 7 bids will go to SEC or B1G. Say, 4 to SEC and 3 to B1G on most years. What is easier, to finish 5th in the SEC or to win the ACC?
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Re: Two comments.
Dec 8, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Exactly. There will be 9-3 SEC and B1G teams making it. But they won’t do much in the playoff most years, other than make more money. The money is the big key. I could see an impressive looking 1 loss FSU or Clemson maybe getting a 2nd ACC bid occasionally, but not often.
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Re: Two comments.
Dec 8, 2023, 10:44 AM
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1. We are now down to P4, not P5. And, who says the rules will remain the same? I expect within a few years the rules will change where there are no automatic bids, just 12 (or 16 or whatever the size of the playoff is) at large bids.
It would appear that we're already there with only 4 team slots.
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So we are going away from a negotiated, agreed upon playoff setup and
Dec 8, 2023, 11:21 AM
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going straight to a SEC and B1G dictatorship? That's the only way the automatics are going away at this point, especially after this years debacle.
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Re: Two comments.
Dec 8, 2023, 11:32 AM
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Would the playoff committee have done what they did to FSU if the playoffs would remained at 4 teams, I seriously don't think they would have!!!
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Re: Two comments.
Dec 8, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Yes bc it was bama. Had Georgia beat bama FSU was in as evidenced by the committee leaving FSU in the top 4 the week prior. FSU only got bumped bc to put an SEC team in they had to put Texas in. Texas has way too much political and financial clout to snub them.
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Incorrect . If you didnt lose your starting QB then youd be in.
Dec 8, 2023, 4:07 PM
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As it is you’re 5th.
An ACC champ is EASILY in a 12 team field.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Your argument would have some merit if Clemson’s revenue disparity in the ACC wasn’t so wide. And it’s growing.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:43 AM
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An argument could be made that the schedule wouldn't be tougher. Mizzu beat nobody 10-2, Ole Miss beat nobody 10-2, Penn St beat nobody 10-2, Iowa beat nobody 10-2.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:49 AM
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Because we won't be able to compete in a world where the SEC and Big 10 are allowed to use TV money to pay their rosters
It would literally be impossible for us.
That and going to 12 won't matter. It will be 6 Big 10 and 6 SEC teams in it
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Tell 'em coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Dec 8, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 10:58 AM
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Did you just liken us to Mississippi and Wisconsin?
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 11:16 AM
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In the ACC if you have a 13-0 record in FB, you can just as easily be left out the playoffs as you can of getting in!!!
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 11:28 AM
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If we can't make the playoffs because we could not beat top teams the first go round why would you want to do it on an even bigger stage. Georgia beat Ole Miss this year 52-17 and next year other than those respective teams no one will remember it, but everyone still remembers LSU destroying Oklahoma in the playoff. I don't want to be destined to be seen as an also ran
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Orange Blooded [3730]
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You can clearly see the payroll cost for a Top 10 team - $25M per year
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Dec 8, 2023, 11:39 AM
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That has been my estimate.
I just saw a player interested in going to Florida State negotiating with the FSU NIL Collective for $1M in NIL.
I really don’t care if you call it NIL or the universities athletic budget. The NIL is “supposed” to be SEPARATE, no MINGLING of funds, but money is fungible as to how it is used. I have no doubts that this “mingling” of paid athletes with the “scholarship” athletes is corrupt as h311.
You have to pay to play. Some on T’Net have been contending that Clemson is FINE AND DANDY with NIL money, and that paying the players on the Clemson football roster payroll is NO PROBLEM. Okay..then, let’s see these 5*’s start rolling into Clemson as Clemson helps them roll in the dough.
I just don’t see it happening.
The entire portal/pay-to-play has me slowly disconnecting from the Clemson football team. To me, it meant something for these players to be playing for CLEMSON. Not anymore. The players have no allegiance, why should the fans or alumni of the university.
College football was a connection between the university’s alumni and the athletic department. It was a much different type of connection than what fans have with respective NFL teams. The NFL teams connection from fans is just some home town affiliation/association.
It is just so pathetic.
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We aint leaving the ACC. The Big 10 in not a good fit...
Dec 8, 2023, 1:48 PM
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and the SEC doesn't want us for a myriad of reasons. 1) We don't bring a new TV market 2) SCAR is a vocal detractor 3) They are probably tapped out.
As bad as we need more revenue, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we got because that STUPID ### TV 13 year contract (or whatever term is) that ACC Commish negotiated.
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Re: Leaving the ACC
Dec 8, 2023, 4:12 PM
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Big Ten and tough schedule don't belong in the same sentence. They have 2 teams
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