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Joel Klatt (Again)
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Once again he’s taken time out of his life to put bad energy towards Clemson.
Joel, Everybody with eyes can see that Clemson football has declined in the last 3 years. I don’t think anybody’s denying it. I would be surprised if I found out that people actually liked him. I’m tired of his sh**, I’m tired of his professional mindset towards college athletes, and so on.
It just truly shows more than any point he’s trying to get across, that he just plain hates Clemson. And so does the rest of sports media.
Not disagreeing with what he says, but he’s just been beating that drum for too long now that it can only boil down to him just hating Dabo.
Also, Clemson is very quietly figuring things out. And whenever it is that we have the offensive system figured out, we still have Dabo to bring in 5-star recruits. Clemson really is going nowhere long-term.
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If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
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1 or more years of College experience under their belt to the portal every year and replace them with high school recruits and walkons we most certainly will continue to decline in relation to the rest of College Football. This isn't an opinion, it's just flat out common sense.
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
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That’s not really what’s happening and there is going to be a major retraction in the available players in the portal when the post-covid players wash out in another 2 years. The reinstatement of transfer restrictions on 2nd time transfers will also slow things down. That’s just getting significant attention this season. A lot of those guys were assured they’d have waivers approved. A lot of boosters wasted money on those same players. Our total talent ranking is currently 5th on 247. That’s the total talent ranking of the team, including transfers. That’s better than we were ranked for either national championship. Yes - 6th, 7th, and 8th year guys are bringing parity and 247 doesn’t weight ranking for years on a team. Obviously experience matters. Pitt won the ACC title 2 years ago with a team that had the most super seniors in the country that season. But that extremism is going to wind down.
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:41 AM
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Totally agree with everything you said, Viztiz. The problem thus far, IMHO, has been the "way" we replace those transfers. Those experienced players leave, usually backups, and rather than replace them with other experienced players, we go to late signees that we didn't even recruit, nor did anyone else. Either that, or we hit Daniel High again. Thus, the talent level drops. Can you imagine what our talent Rating would be if we had replaced those players with actual guys we had highly recruited and were now dissatisfied where they are now? Good gracious!
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Again, the Clemson program will NEVER bring in transfer to sit down
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Sep 14, 2023, 12:01 PM
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starters. Those starters have earned their keep, they’re as good as any portal quitter, and the transfer portal is NOT building elite teams.
Our issue has been QB. Period. We weren’t going to sit DJ for some transfer, and we won’t do that to Cade or anyone else either.
We have excellent receivers who are ABSOLUTELY getting open, even with DJ. The QB needs to relax, process quicker, and simply give the WRs more of a chance, unlike DJ.
Cade improved immensely last Saturday and that should continue this Saturday. If Cade gets it and continues slowing his game down and building confidence, and then there’s no reason we couldn’t win this league and put ourselves in place for another playoff bid.
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Re: Again, the Clemson program will NEVER bring in transfer to sit down
Sep 16, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Our issues last season were more than just the QB, defense was soft agains the pass, pass rush wasn't great, our QB play was horrendous, but the QB wasn't helped by poor to mediocre receiver play. They didn't catch, they didn't block, they didn't battle, they didn't run good routes. Our QB play will continue to get better, it will be interesting to see who if any of the studs are in the receiver room. (plus as CK gets better, they'll give more confidence and they feed off of each other.
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We finished 14th because we lost to USuC and UT.
Sep 17, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Has ZERO to do with the portal.
DJ crapped the bed against USuC, then we had over 500 yards and lost composure in scoring territory against UT.
The portal wouldn’t have fixed the losses last year or the year before nor this one this year. It’s been Clemson beating Clemson, period.
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
Sep 14, 2023, 12:03 PM
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Total team talent is such a weird stat that fans have gravitated towards that means almost nothing.
On FSU Jared Verse is seen as a 0* talent despite being a top five draft pick.
Jordan Travis, Trey Benson, Keon Coleman and Jahiem Bell are all 3* athletes all with 2nd to 3rd round grades. All are transfers which were not highly regarded out of high school, but are great players who will play in the NFL.
FSU- Jared Verse .000, Jordan Travis .857, Trey Benson.889, Keon Coleman .892, Jahiem Bell.888
avg:.705
Clemson- Xavier Thomas.998, Cade Klubnik.995, Will Shipley.983, Antonio Williams .973 Jake Bringstool.971
avg:.984
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
Sep 14, 2023, 12:23 PM
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Our coaches need to do a better job in developing these guys.
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We had a QB issue last year and missed the playoffs due to one loss.
Sep 17, 2023, 11:05 AM
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We still finished 14th.
The wheels have not fallen off fellas!
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What are we ranked right now? Just curious....***
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
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Sep 14, 2023, 12:46 PM
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It’s just a tool - but I do think it demonstrates that we aren’t falling apart. Ill that it fails to weight the value of experience - I’d argue a former 3* with 5 years of collegiate practice / weight room / and training table are probably going to be more capable to contribute than all but a handful of the best 5* freshman. I also think there is a catch-22 with our recruiting success. When Dabo built this program he was relying on 4* and 3* players with only an occasional 5*. They really had to dig deep on evaluations. As we’ve moved up the recruiting ladder they’re probably pulling the trigger too quickly on high 4* and 5* guys - but the fans would probably flip out if they caught wind we were holding offers for lesser ranked players. But we definitely got far more out lesser ranked players in the first half of Dabo’s tenure.
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The poor QB play had dragged the whole team down
Sep 17, 2023, 11:10 AM
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for the last two years. It’s not nearly the team issue or development issue some of you say - the entire team lost confidence in the QB, yet we were still one gift loss from the playoffs.
It’s not nearly as broken as some insist. The team loves Cade and rallies behind him. BV isn’t coaching defense anymore, but right now we’re getting better. The offense and defense are top 10 in the country. Is that pretty good?
Let’s see where this program is on Saturday. They will be ready and this FSU team is not that different than last year when we were pulling away before letting them back.
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Re: If we continue to lose 10-15 players that have
Sep 15, 2023, 3:26 AM
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But you’re wrong. That is exactly what has happened the last 2 years. We’ve lost 11 and 12 experienced college players to the portal the last 2 years respectively. Every single one of those spots were filled with high school recruits and walkons except for Hunter Johnson and Bear Bryant’s grandson.
Talent ranking is totally irrelevant to this conversation. The issue at hand is not talent. The issue with this strategy is lack of experience and depth. You could have an entire roster made up of 4 and 5 star players but if the vast majority of them are 1st and 2nd year players you’re gonna have huge problems. And that’s where we’re headed in the next few years when we replace another 2 or 3 years worth of 10-15 experienced players with 18 year olds.
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Totally disagree. Our lack of using the portal hasnt cost us a single game ever.
Sep 17, 2023, 11:14 AM
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We had poor QB play, and every team starts there.
We were ONE (USuC) loss from the playoffs last year. Portal my butt.
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Hasnt been the issue at all. The story has been the QB, period.***
Sep 17, 2023, 11:12 AM
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FOR THE RECORD
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:15 AM
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SoCal, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama etc .... do pay their players a lot of money.
The media outlets are controlled by the same money that is used to pay the players.
Media wants football to take off ($$$$) in the big time markets so they will pump them with money to steal all of the money out of the low ROI programs.
Clemson Football's CEO has been blacklisted. He doesn't support their way of ruling the world. He will die a matyr and it's are devoutness that keeps us and him alive for the short term.
Root for the good guy!
GO TIGERS!
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We absolutely have to win NOW! Or this whole thing breaks
Sep 14, 2023, 11:16 AM
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forever.
We need to really question whether we have the best athletic player or best program player in our starting line ups.
I'd argue we have a high number of program players in roles that need to have the best athletic players.
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Geez buddy, get ahold of yourself . Forever.. dont be so dramatic .***
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Re: FOR THE RECORD
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??? Grab a clue pal. Private booster/collective money is used to pay players. The schools do not directly pay players. TV money disseminated by the conferences to member schools does not directly go to the players. Schools with boosters that possess both deep pockets and conviction can legally buy players and fill rosters. Just look at the resurgence of FSU, Texas, Tennessee, etc. Do you think their rise is happenstance? Ryan Day I believe told the Columbus boosters that he needed the boosters to pay players approximately $13M at a minimum to field a competitive roster. You might not like the current environment (I certainly don't), but it doesn't negate the existence of that environment. To quote Charles Darwin "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." If we do not adapt, we will eventually "die" or not compete at the highest level.
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FSU squeezed one out and Tennessee lost.
Sep 17, 2023, 11:01 AM
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When the portal makes a team elite, someone let me know. The teams making the playoffs are experienced, recruited teams. One or two “names” that flash doesn’t mean the portal is some sort of magic sauce. This is not to you, but it’s utterly ridiculous how much stock some dudes put in this unproven mess. Nobody built with transfers has done jack squat to prove the portal actually can build a team.
And before anyone says it, none of the games we’ve lost the last 3 seasons has been due to a transfer portal team beating us. We’ve beaten ourselves in the last 3 losses, and more portal kids would not have fixed the QB play. And no, DJ could have 5 Jerry Rices and still not have been able to get it to them. Cade is just a matter of time, but we have the weapons to win the ACC and put us firmly in the playoffs, just like we were last year if we beat USuC and UNC. That’s even with Mr. DJ running QB. We’re better than we were last year. Duke was a good team, but we have it away. Cade is better now than then.
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:27 AM
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We got ripped for 2 years because we got a QB blessed by the multitudes who was a dud...big Dave and the media outlets slipped one to us! We can move on...We lost BV, Tony and others and replaced them...just those loses would kill most programs and you spoiled children want to agree with Klapp... he operates every hour. With a built inbias...he can't help it...he's on the SEC dope!
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Spot on.***
Sep 14, 2023, 11:42 AM
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When we WIN, we prove him wrong!***
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Re: When we WIN, we prove him wrong!***
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Agreed. Winning shuts all of this down. If you crap the bed against FSU in a nooner, you deserve continued scrutiny.
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:37 AM
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I think he is just being honest about Clemson. He has been fairly accurate for awhile now. It's his job to have somewhat hot takes anyway. We will more than likely start out with a loss next year and more pundits will pile on. The only cure is for the team to get hot this year and go to the playoff and play well.
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Please define the accuracies?***
Sep 14, 2023, 11:41 AM
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Re: Please define the accuracies?***
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We haven't looked Ike a powerhouse the last couple of years and we used to. It's just the way it is. Just the losses to the coots, that TN crushing, 7 scored on Duke. When was the last time that you thought a Clemson team was a powerhouse? Was it a few years ago? We used to be almost automatic. We used to blow people out and the D looked average year as well. I am seeing the same things and I am a homer. I think Clemson will be great again, but when I don't know. We have hit a rut and he has consistently pointed it out.
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Two things
Sep 14, 2023, 12:07 PM
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QB - the quarterback has been the root of all your gnashing of teeth. Get a real QB and things will look completely different, like the 42-0 second half on Saturday.
Defense - BV is the best DC is America. We are still 8th in defense right now. While it’s impossible to replace a Brent Venables, we still have a solid defense that will help us win games along with an improved defense. We have great players, but even great players will blow a coverage or miss a sack now and then.
We were one (USuC) win from the playoffs last year, with DJ. Insert a QB and we’re in last year.
So you’ve already written off the ACCCG? Get to that and win it, and we’re VERY LIKELY to be in the playoffs again.
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Re: Two things
Sep 14, 2023, 12:25 PM
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QB, and the coaching turnover which maybe slowed recruiting. WRs seem worse of course, but help is on the way. Are we in trouble and LB without Trotter and Barret next year. To me it seems like we are building again. A great D class overall last year. Our OL is going to be better. Then next year we add stud WR's that were mentioned, but they will be true frosh. It seems like we are going through growing pains. Then of course we need to see how good Goodwin becomes. Those are all some of the things.
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Re: Please define the accuracies?***
Sep 14, 2023, 2:08 PM
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You are dead wrong...we were still a powerhouse in the ACC...that is where we play...spoilt as they say in E. TEXAS...we are not going to win every game every year and we were doomed with DJ...Dabo has loyalty but he finally gave up the ghost..The poultry will still be around next year...you bums would have had Prank Coward shot...this is still football and Dabo is trying to do it the right way...chill or root 4 the chics!
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
Sep 14, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Not my point
I said I didn’t disagree with him.
My point is that why are you consistently doing it? We all know what’s happening and what your opinion is, so why keep beating it to death?
Because he despises Clemson
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Its wholly unfounded, honest or not.
Sep 17, 2023, 11:17 AM
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You blow a lot of hot air. Are you a Clemson man or a wuss?
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Were gonna have a better year than the last two.
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:40 AM
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We’re 5th in P5 wins from the last two seasons and 4th over the last three seasons.
“Declined” is grossly over exaggerated. We had a MAJOR ISSUE at QB, and while improving, Cade needs to do better, obviously. But he will improve. And we will be better with him.
Relax. Don’t believe the negative hype. We are still a very good football team with a chance for a tremendous season. Depends on Cade.
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Re: Were gonna have a better year than the last two.
Sep 14, 2023, 11:45 AM
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I wonder what we would have done with tougher schedules. I have noticed a serious decline. I think the Tigers have something to prove big time. I don't think people think we are a top 5 type program anymore. We just haven't looked exciting and have had some rough games in th mix. Like I stated, I think we have a lot to prove. Maybe we are still a couple years away?
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A serious decline???
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:54 AM
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Dude, again, 5th the last two years in wins and 4th the last three.
Are we 2018 good? Of course not, but the wins prove where we are nationally.
Our schedule was 21st last season. 11th the year before that and 3rd the year prior.
Your schedule comments are not accurate.
Cade is improving, obviously. He was struggling against Duke and started the game rough against CSU. He improved by leaps and bounds in a 42-0 second half, and he’ll continue to improve this week. The “excitement” was there just fine when we got it in gear, and we expect another step this weekend.
It’s silly to be a “fan” and dig so deeply for worry, when the data clearly shows it’s not nearly the “decline” some of y’all are panicking about.
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Re: A serious decline???
Sep 14, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Yes ACC wins. The conference has sucked. There has been a serious decline. DJ sucked and we had may other holes. There were two serious off years right there. You think things are similar I guess. I have seen a serious drop-off. Also, I am not a win is a win type guy. I see teams that are great and there is a difference. We don't have to agree though.
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Did you see the SOS rankings?
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Sep 14, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Clemson lost to two unranked teams last year, and we actually outplayed Tennessee in spite of the 3 long passes and lack of redzone productivity.
The “drop off” has been at QB (DJ era) and an expected drop off losing the best DC in the country.
5th in two years and 4th in three. The “rut” is GROSSLY exaggerated.
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Re: A serious decline???
Sep 14, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Who is Jim Katy?
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Re: A serious decline???
Sep 14, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Klatt*
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Re: Were gonna have a better year than the last two.
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It’s ok with me when my Tigers are considered by the “experts to be on the way out when we win 10 or 11 games every year! I can live with that. Do you think that all of a sudden theTigers are going to have a six win season? Not with the players and coaches now in place. Not going to happen.
With that said, a very convincing win over the Seminoles would change the opinion of many who claim that Clemson is done! I’m betting Mr, Swinney knows this. You need to make a sacrifice and be at this game even if you are a fan who only watches on tv. Every seat in the Valley will be a good one next Saturday at noon. Go Tigers. Show the Experts!
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Re: Were gonna have a better year than the last two.
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We got spoiled. No playoff and in the ACC and it's a bust. We were in the playoff , 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. The standards got tough. Losing to the coots and getting crushed by Tenn, losing to Duke this year. It's different.
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We didnt get crushed by UT. We outplayed them in every
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area, but we blew a dozen scoring chances. That’s it.
We move the ball up and down the field and statistically were better by a wide margin. We entered scoring position numerous times, missed 3 FGs and left many other points out on that field. UT did not “destroy” us.. there was much more to that game than the score.
Duke was similar except the flukes were even bigger.
You’re exaggerating this supposed “decline”. The issue is QB, period.
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Re: Were gonna have a better year than the last two.
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I agree with AllOrange
We did not get crushed vs Tenn nor Duke.
You must not have actually paid attention to either of those games.
In fact, if not for poor kicking and Clemson’s own miscues, we would’ve only lost to Notre Dame but would’ve beaten SCar, Tenn, and Duke.
It’s just a peculiar situation. And it’s a situation that can be fixed by just cleaning up a few things. There’s not some enormous problem with not being able to move the ball or defend.
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All-In [44054]
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Sounds like Joel Klatt is living rent-free
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:46 AM
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in some of your heads.
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And the best program at Clemson is in your head, Krump Keller.
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:56 AM
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I thought you banned yourself for being an instigator and weasel over and over and over.
Please ban your childish behavior. Nobody wants you here.
Brad sucks and is a complete waste of a salary.
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Re: Sounds like Joel Klatt is living rent-free
Sep 14, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Klatt is just another talking head. Some of the folks on this board do a better job of running us down than he does so chill. Clemson an't going away. Every team has its ups and downs. Just our turn.
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Re: Sounds like Joel Klatt is living rent-free
Sep 14, 2023, 12:08 PM
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We aren't going away, but we are working our way back.
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I wouldnt take it so personal....
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Sep 14, 2023, 11:57 AM
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the last time I saw him comment was on his youtube show ir whatever and the entire point is to get views. Clemson is a top program and our fans usually provide a large internet response to negative stuff. But he's not wrong...he's just covering the sport and has been very positive towards us in the past. Im not big on Klatt but he's usually to the point and fair.
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I wouldnt say NOBODY is denying it
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Sep 14, 2023, 12:14 PM
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Lol
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
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Sep 14, 2023, 12:28 PM
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Joel, Everybody with eyes can see that Clemson football has declined in the last 3 years. I don’t think anybody’s denying it.
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I think Dabo is denying it
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LOL
Sep 14, 2023, 12:38 PM
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I have an idea.... Don't watch him or read the crap they post here on tnet
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Sep 14, 2023, 1:03 PM
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About what he said about Clemson.....
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YES! YES! LET YOUR HATRED FLOW THROUGH THE R.O.Y BUS
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Sep 14, 2023, 1:10 PM
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GO TIGERS!
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
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Sep 14, 2023, 1:15 PM
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I like Klatt. He's been more positive about us when we've played better. Everyone I watch in sports doesn't have to be a Clemson alum. I suggest if it hurts your feelings to hear someone say critical things about Clemson stick to TNet or The Roar.
I bet if we actually play better that would fix it too.
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Joel Klatt (and all of the tv people) literally only want
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Sep 14, 2023, 1:32 PM
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you to care what they say and talk about it and follow what he says next time.
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He's advocating we cheat.***
Sep 14, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again)
Sep 14, 2023, 2:13 PM
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m convinced down at the Champs Sports Bowl, Klatt walked in on Charlie Whitehurst, making a woman out of Klatt’s girlfriend. The teams should’ve had separate hotels.
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Great for motivation though***
Sep 14, 2023, 2:38 PM
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All-In [25393]
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My friend, Klatt and his ilk are always scratching
Sep 15, 2023, 5:28 AM
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the dirt, looking for a "story," which is what they're paid to do.
Nothing makes a better story (in collegiate football) than a powerhouse having trouble. They're already pouncing on Saban, for example, and will continue to ride Clemson until we pull off a stunning win. Watch what happens when another bigun goes down in an upset.
Hence, why I simply don't fret over people like Klatt, Findabomb, etc., because I know most of their drivel is "Monkey see, monkey do," meaning when one gains an ear, they all follow suit. Honestly, there are friends of ours here on TNet with a heck of a lot more saavy than 95 percent of the media morons.
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Re: Joel Klatt (Again) - by dogging Clemson, she is getting
Sep 16, 2023, 9:01 AM
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just what she wants, SM attention and mouse clicks. She knows Clemson has a verbal and loyal fan base who take thing personally. By commenting on her, we are playing right into her hands.
She's no more than a talking head trying to be relevant. She's no smarter than any poaster on this bored.
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I think every one of you MF'ers including Klatt should just
Sep 16, 2023, 9:09 AM
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take a dang pill.
The only thing wrong with Clemson is having a kid at QB who wasn't big enough for the moment at the start of the season - and may not yet be for several games.
Geez: the ACC set us up to play an away game at night against a 9-4 team coached by a tremendously respected DC and 2022 ACC CotY, and having an athletic and accurate QB who appears to have possible 1st round NFL talent. It was the worst of all worlds.
It's called a set-up. At least FSU had the good sense to play their Big game at the first of the year as an OOC game. Had we lost an OOC game instead of against Duke, we wouldn't be in the pickle we're in now relative ACC Standings, and the pressure to win out in the ACC would be immensely lower.
THIS is the fallacy of Fans: every one wanted to believe the only thing we had wrong with us last year was DJU, and that that would be corrected with a Sophomore QB starting his 2nd game, LOL.
THIS is the fallacy of Media: they are hateful shrews who'll print any lie so long as somehow makes them seem invincible in their ivory towers.
Eff'em all....
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