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Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Is it my age, but it sure seems like the Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Gator Bowl, Citrus Bowl were so much cooler/better when I was in my teens and my 20's! Everything seemed so much better, and I cannot figure out why this has been the case the last several years. Clemson being in the playoffs for 6 consecutive years definitely took some of that shine off the other bowls since our guys were in the championship hunt.....and I am excited for this Gator Bowl appearance, brings back memories of the 80's and 90's Clemson football teams. However, I guess things just change for all of us as we age.
I still enjoy the games, do not get me wrong. Especially when Clemson is playing in any of them, but I think life gets so full as you get older, things like the "pageantry" of the game just does not have the same feeling.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:16 AM
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absolutely, better match ups for sure
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:25 AM
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When you have 42 of them, you really have not earned your way into one in many cases. When they take 6-6 teams and even 5-7 teams and put them in a bowl, you have earned nothing. You are a mediocre team or a losing team. You should not qualify for a bowl game. As in today's athletic environment, its all about the money.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:21 AM
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There are way too many bowls now and it has caused the quality to suffer. Back in 2006 there were 30 bowl games and that number has now jumped to 43....once again, large amounts of money and corporate advertising ruining the game
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Honest question
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:24 AM
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How does having more football to watch (and the potential of fun games on a random mid/late December evening) quate to "ruining the sport?"
I understand the argument of money having some negative effects on the sport with the open transfer (lack of team continuity for fans to feel connected to) , the "bidding war" style recruiting which seems to be leading to the richer teasm getting richer. But, I just don't see the big negative impact of more bowl games.
No one confuses the gator, or Rose, or Citrus with the Southwestern Tractor Supply bowl. And the fact that the later exists, to me, only presents the chance that it'll be a good game I get to watch for a few hours.
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Re: Honest question
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:34 AM
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It dilutes the quality of the teams playing in the matchups and you end up with games like Ga Southern vs Howard in the pop tart pastry bowl
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Re: Honest question
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:36 AM
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The threshold of 6 wins I think damages the entire perception of having the accomplishment of being selected as a bowl worthy team .....raise the wins to 8 and cut out half this nonsense
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Ok
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Dec 21, 2023, 12:22 PM
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And what harm is it that those 2 teams played a game you don't care about?
The Howard, FL A&M bowl was actually dang entertaining. I don't see the problem with it existing.
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For one, it renders the term "bowl team" meaningless
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Dec 21, 2023, 1:11 PM
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Its no longer an honor or any great accomplishment to make a bowl game. Used to be earned. A reward for a memorable season. That no longer carries any meaning whatsoever. Aside from that, all the opt outs have even neutered every bowl game outside of the playoffs. Glorified scrimmages for the most part.
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The opt-outs argument I get
Dec 21, 2023, 1:19 PM
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But I don't blame that on the bowls, but the current movement toward player autonomy (which has both good and bad sides)
But, I also don't think "bowl team" is (or has been for quite a while) some great badge. I just don't see any real downside to the possibility of a good game to watch, just because am 11-1 team and a 6-6 team both might fall under the moniker "bowl team."
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But how are 6-6 teams going at it "good games"
Dec 21, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Its bad football. If two bad teams going at it qualifies as a "good game" to you, ok, thats your prerogative of course, but no one is going to nor watching those games, so youd be in the minority with that opinion.
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Fair enough
Dec 21, 2023, 1:47 PM
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I guess I could be in the minority in saying that 2 mediocre teams can put on a good game. Again, if others don't enjoy it, that's cool, I get it.
But I still don't see how that's detrimental to college football. It's easy to not watch the games and ignore their existence. And if you happen to have time to kill and get a good game to watch then I don't see how it harms anything.
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Re: Honest question
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Dec 21, 2023, 3:29 PM
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It’s stilll more college football to watch….
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Re: Honest question
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I think in marketing or economic terms it's saturating the market. Instead of fewer, higher quality games there are more games with lesser quality teams. Now, you could make the argument that watching 2 equally matched 6-6 schools equates to must see TV. But here's what is missing. The bowls are supposed to be an EVENT. Not just another game on television. ESPN (ABC) totally missed that with Monday Night Football. It wasn't supposed to be just another game to watch. But, alas, now it that's all it is.
The other things that made bowls different were the events (there's that word again) surrounding the game. Parades and halftime shows. The Orange Bowl halftime show was always something to see. Can imagine trying to book talent for 43 bowls? Including one in places like Shreveport?
If you're just after another game to watch, have at it. I'll watch most of them as well. Have a little pool going on them, although I can't remember who I picked or why. How do you pick between two 6-6 programs?
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Re: Honest question
Dec 21, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Very good points, that "pageantry" mentioned was something that was so much better. I am sure plenty of people are watching since it is football, but is it quality football or just football. Nothing wrong with less talented teams, but giving them a TV audience when they are sometimes a 5-7 team. Something just seems wrong about that, but again that is only my opinion.
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Re: Honest question
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Good question and I am not sure. Maybe it is the quality of the games, sometimes these teams are mediocre and if Clemson were mediocre (which they have been for many years prior to Dabo) then I would care more. But it seems some of the games being played are only being played for the money, and that just simply does not warrant me watching.
But to your question, I do not care that they have all these bowls. I simply choose not to bother watching a game on Tuesday afternoon between 2 teams that are 6-6 in the Sams Club Members Mark Snapper Mowers Bowl. To each their own, which is why I ask what others thought.
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No offense, but it seems like you dont have much of a life.
Dec 21, 2023, 12:50 PM
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If being glued to your recliner or sofa and watching tv all day gives you happiness, then by all means continue on. Some of us have other things we’d like to do or accomplish in our short amount of time on this earth.
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LOL, thanks, I guess?
Dec 21, 2023, 1:00 PM
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Exactly what in my post makes you think that I am "glued to my recliner or sofa and watching tv all day?"
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:25 AM
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Obviously. It started when the playoffs started.
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I think the two main problems
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are the existence of the playoff and the sheer number of bowls. The higher tier bowls are often disappointing now because they are largely comprised of teams that had playoff ambitions and came up short. The middle to lower tier bowls are worse because everyone gets invited to one so just making a bowl game is not a noteworthy accomplishment for many programs and hasn't been in decades.
I'm sure people will point to the opt outs as another reason, and they certainly aren't helping the situation, but I think they are largely a result of bowls already being viewed as "meaningless exhibitions." If bowl games were still special I think more players would choose to play in them.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:37 AM
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They have lost their luster to me. From the everyone gets a trophy mentality to players opting out they just aren’t as meaningful as they used to be. I won’t be watching many of them.
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Many are completely meaningless. And soon to be more so with the expanded CFP.
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Add to this the opt outs and transfers immediately after the season ends and it is a recipe for meaninglessness.
I understand that with bowls the players get rewarded with a trip, swag, etc. but from an actual football standpoint, it means nothing other than extra practice and reps for non-starters.
If you're not in the CFP, it does not matter.
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Re: Many are completely meaningless. And soon to be more so with the expanded CFP.
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Yep, the additional practices and development is the main focus for all programs. And indeed the expanded playoffs next year will make this an even bigger problem. It is so much more than just the bowl games, but the players entering the portal, opting out of the bowl game, transfers galore every off-season.... Landscape has and is changing everyday, and I can appreciate the need to adapt. But, adapting does not mean better. It simply means change for the sake of change
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Same
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:56 AM
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Personally, opt-outs and CFP or bust took the intrigue of bowl season away. Also, bowl tie-ins took some shine off bowl season if we're being honest. (At one point it seemed like we were playing Auburn every year.)
I've heard some pretty good ideas as to how to fix bowl season -- probably the best being to move it to the beginning of the season and just leave the CFP for December and January. Can we just move the championship game BACK to January 1st? or the first Saturday in January? Monday championships -- oof.
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There should be 4 fewer next year with the 12-team playoff beginning, unless the
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Dec 21, 2023, 11:00 AM
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losers of the 1st round games are made eligible to play in a bowl game.
Personally, I don't watch nearly as many bowl games as I used to.
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IMO the NCAA caused it
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Dec 21, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Or atleast had a huge role in these games not being near what they were… started with the NIL/free agency (portal) so it changed the mindset of majority of big time players. It wasn’t that long ago when were were playing in the orange bowl and beat Ohio state. Go watch that game and the stars playing in that game. That win could have easily been what catapulted us (or any program in that situation) to where we were. But the ncaa caused those games to not matter and now that’s why there will be 12 teams in the playoff bc the ratings and money from these “ bigger bowls” or nowhere what it was I’m sure… so that’s their way of trying to fix it to keep players from opting out on better teams.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Yea it is playoffs or bust these days. FSU has a good many not even playing in the Orange Bowl. That used to be a marquee matchup. Do not remember seeing folks set out for a bowl game.
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Not just you. The schedule and opt outs have made it less fun.
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I think it's mostly the ESPN schedule, partly the opt-outs. I remember spending New Year's Day watching football all day. Multiple TVs, picture-in-picture. It was a full day affair, a football glut, all the big bowls in one crazy day. Now it's spread out over days, one game at a time. If it's not the Tigers or a play off game my interest is much lower. The opt-outs don't help the situation. While I understand why some players choose to skip the bowl their absence also lowers my interest in the bowl matchups. Oregon State vs Notre Dame might have been interesting, but neither of their starting quarterbacks are playing. If you're not Irish or a Beaver, who cares? It's meaningless.
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Re: Not just you. The schedule and opt outs have made it less fun.
Dec 21, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Ah yes, the glory days of college football. Citrus Bowl at 11AM and then bowl games throughout to day with the 4:30PM Rose Bowl, the 7:30 Sugar Bowl and then the 8PM Orange Bowl.
New years day was all about recovery from a long night and football and food all day!!
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Dec 21, 2023, 12:20 PM
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I agree. When I was growing up the Gator bowl was a big deal and played at night. Now it's a noon game.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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It's not just you. The bowl matchups were much more exciting through the end of the last century at least. Particularly into the 1980s. New Year's Day was huge. Every bowl matchup that day was a big deal. And since there were just so many fewer bowls leading up to New Year's those bowls were usually intriguing as well and certainly much more exciting to the players and fans. Like so many things with the once fantastic sport, money pretty much ruined them.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Some of them still have some luster but probably 80% of them hold no interest for me.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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I remember the few bowl games as a reward for winning 8 or 9 games. The National Championship Bowl was normally already designated. There were no conf champ games nor playoff games. Going to a bowl was a BIG deal for your school. The stadium’s were packed. Not, it’s so watered down. Yes, I’ll watch, but it’s not the same. Also, try watching the division II and III playoffs. Those are some good games. They’re playing for all the marbles, not for bowl participation prizes. Go Tigers!!
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Meant “NOW it’s so watered down”. Fat fingers!!
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Agreed, the Div II and III playoff games are typically very well played games. Those kids are playing for the love of football and the love of winning for not only themselves but their teams. I am not saying this isn't the case for Div I but with all these guys opting out due to NFL career upcoming, it is nice to see the real passion for the game at the lower level.
Excellent point!!
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They used to be special in that the stakes were spread out over several games
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Dec 21, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Like Clemson's '81 title season...you had 3 games taking place involving 5 of the Top 6 teams (AP #5 SMU was bowl banned) in bowl season that would decide who was #1.
Between the glut of games & the hyper focus the BCS/CFP put on crowning a champion, reduced the stakes & put the focus on only 1-3 games for 25 years & counting. I'm of point that 1 of the following needs to happen:
1) do a tiered system after the 12 team CFP that opens opportunities for G5 to get in a better paying bowl & maybe even allows some FCS teams be picked in the smaller bowls (would involve a revamp of FCS bracket + cut down on .500 teams in postseason, only filling any openings based on APR).
2) scrap the whole subdivision stuff in D1. Do a 32 team playoff - conference champs (would be about 20 something) & fill at-large. Then do like D2/D3/JUCO...have a set number of bowls (preserving historic tie-ins for games like Rose, Sugar, Orange, etc) that still give teams that perform well a postseason opportunity.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Interesting. Reading the posts begs the question:
Which came first the lackluster bowls or the opt outs? I would say that the bowls losing their relevance (those that had any to begin with) prompted players to opt out. I mean, if it's just another game, why risk a career ending injury.
I remember back in 1989 (to my recollection) when Clemson played Oklahoma in the Citrus Bowl. The Clemson team arrived in Orlando about a week (or two) early to practice and enjoy the events and activities surrounding the game. Oklahoma did not. Prompting HC Barry Switzer to remark that if you're not playing for the national championship, what difference does it make. BTW, Clemson won that game.
As I look back, I distinctly remember that moment being a turning point for how teams viewed the bowl season.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 1:44 PM
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I think that Barry, at Oklahoma, an elite coach at an elite program, had a mentality of BEST or BUST.
While I do not mind that mentality, the reality is that Barry wanted badly to win that game. He could say whatever he wanted, but that man never enjoyed losing even if it was pop-warner pre-season games. Danny Ford kicked his tail that day, Clemson was the better team for 60 minutes and it was such a huge win for the program. I was a teenager and I was so happy, remember that day well.
I think some coaches still feel the way Barry and others did back then, but they also understand the game is about the kids playing and saying Championship or bust simply is not truthful. You lose a game, you prepare your tail off not to lose the next one, that is the reality. Sure you may be out of the championship race for that moment, but you still have to coach the kids up to play and win each and every week of the season. Some of that big talk is nothing more than that, just big talk from coaches who feel their own ego... and Barry Switzer had ego for days, weeks, months, years lol
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
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Bravado to be sure. And that was Barry's last at Oklahoma (it would be 4 years later he would be the HC of the Cowboys).
But here's the difference between then and now. Or maybe I should say us and them. Whenever you take that field, regardless of the sport or level of competition, you are representing this institution. Win or lose. I think Ford understood that and Dabo does as well. As much as some of these players think it's about them, it's not. It's about US.
So if you are fortunate enough to be invited to participate in a bowl game, you say thank you, I'd be honored to represent Clemson University in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. Now, not so much. Mainly because with 42 bowls and with at least 6 wins verses D1 programs, just how "fortunate" is it?
I agree with a latter post. And I have a friend that swears by it. Whether you're talking about the demise college football, lackluster bowls or the decline of western civilization. It all began the day the started handing out participation trophies.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 2:45 PM
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Yes, the "participation trophy"!!
Nothing good can come of that, and has not come from it yet.
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It's not just you
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They've been relegated to exhibition games.
The CFP, opt-outs, and transfer portal has created a bunch of post season bowl matchups between teams that don't really exist.
With all of the opt-outs and transfers the non CFP games are now little more than NFL-style pre-season games. Other than the coaches and players getting additional practice time and a chance to play another game they're kind of meaningless.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 2:52 PM
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They are somewhat like practice game to me. Even the announcers have do everything they can to boost interest. It does give time more practice time. That’s about it.
And Bama needs to hire a high dollar hooker for the CFPC for screwing FSU. It’s was all about the money Bama vs Michigan !!!! But Bama did not earn their way in the bought their way in 🤥🖕
Over the last 10 years they have actually had to put teams with losing records to fill all of the bowl game slots.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 2:54 PM
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It's better now. Almost everyone gets to participate. There should not be bowl "winners" anymore. Both teams should get a participation trophy. If one team starts dominating the game, then they should be instructed, and forced, to let the other team even it up.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 3:27 PM
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For me, the luster of college football has slipped somewhat with Clemson no longer being an elite team and the damaging effects of the portal and NIL. I’m just not as excited about bowl games as I have been in the past.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 3:28 PM
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Hard to get excited watching 6 win teams.
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Re: Is it just me or do the bowl games lack the luster they once had
Dec 21, 2023, 3:51 PM
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LOL agreed...unless that 6 win team is Clemson, and then only the true Clemson fans will really care much like the way it is for those 6 win teams now.
At least this last few seasons of missing the playoffs will run those bandwagon fans off but they will be back once the Tigers get the ship back on course.
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Its not just you.
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Dec 21, 2023, 4:25 PM
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There are too many bowl games now, so the matchups aren’t nearly as exciting as they used to be.
Plus, the good games are so spread out now. I loved it when New Year’s Day was all football with tons of big games. Not true anymore.
Finally, players opting out makes the bowl games even less meaningful.
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