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What does he influence?***
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Mar 28, 2024, 7:42 AM
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Derp!
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Mar 28, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Are you okay?
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I'm good, bruh, thanks
Mar 28, 2024, 7:45 AM
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What does he influence?
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Re: I'm good, bruh, thanks
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Mar 28, 2024, 8:02 AM
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He influences Trump's cult to be angry and nobody else.
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ding ding ding
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Mar 28, 2024, 10:00 AM
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How would we know who this guy is without right wing pundits showing it to pubs to make them mad?
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Re: What does he influence?***
Mar 28, 2024, 7:53 AM
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He is a social media influencer. These days a person with a significant following on a social media platform is referred to as an “influencer”. Most likely because they have a platform where hundreds of thousands of people can see them and be “influenced”. That wasn’t my point in posting this. The point is this guy is squatting in Americans homes, being paid 350$ a week by our government, then making money from his social media accounts on which he mocks hard working Americans. All the while being here illegally.
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Yeah, and apparently he's on the run now because of his ### hattery
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Mar 28, 2024, 7:59 AM
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Did a little news search on his name and it looks like his shenanigans have earned him ICE's special attention. He's posted now, crying like a baby, that they're out to get him and that he's on the run.
So looks like he ain't influencin' too much and is about to experience a little #### around and find out.
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Re: And further, it appears he's being condemned by the large majority of
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Mar 28, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Of course the others are pissed at him. He broke the rule of not staying on the down low about all the unapproved American Tax $ benefits. Now, if they really want to show how much they care, they can bring all their known gangsters to the border to be removed.
BTW, do you think the ones wanting to work will get minimum wage?
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That's a pretty cynical view of humanity if you really think that
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Mar 28, 2024, 9:01 AM
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other Venezuelans are angry at him for openly encouraging that type of behavior because he's "spilling the beans", and not because it's deplorable behavior. It's much easier to compartmentalize ethnicities different than yourself in your brain when they fit into neat little packages. "Venezuelans are all corrupt, and therefore not a good cultural fit with the ways of our country". GTFO with that nonsense. This is akin to tabbyplague's assertion that the Haitian people as a whole are either lazy, worthless beggars, or they're hardened criminals, and that they can't help it, it's just the way they are.
And if you're asking if a migrant, legal or illegal, will command minimum wage picking vegetables? Probably not, and they'll still do it, because it's a whole lot more than they were making in Venezuela or most other countries south of the border. Why aren't you condemning the employers paying them less than minimum wage? If everybody stopped paying illegal immigrants, they wouldn't keep coming here.
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Re: That's a pretty cynical view of humanity if you really think that
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Mar 28, 2024, 11:09 AM
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Your typical response when you want to shadow the facts. If you are truthful, you know the best of the Venezuelans or those from any other country have not been crossing the border. Just tell me what the illegals bring to this country that makes you so pro-migrant? Why should any of us be paying to subsidize their existence in the U.S. when we have had hungry and homeless here for generations? Are there any American born citizens that could use the payouts being offered the migrants?
Follow the existing laws for allowing migrants into the country and I have no problems. Allow them to come here in hordes without the proper process, turn them loose and expecting them to show up for a court date to be vetted (btw, how's that working out) and you're dayum right, I don't like it.
Why do you think employers should pay them the higher minimum wages when they can't pay the higher minimum wages to their current employees? Because it's an arbitrary amount set by state legislatures where the members don't have to worry about minimum wage salaries? Does inflation not affect the business costs employing these workers or did inflation go away and everything turn all rosy because the stock market is up? How about the business bottom line or does it not matter? Why are the minimum wages going up, is it because prices are going up (inflation) or could it be a way to get more income taxes to support government programs and/or some combination? That only works until the businesses start laying off workers and eventually shut their doors for good.
Eventually, the piper will have to be paid.
I'll kick back and wait for your response.
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You'll "kick back and wait for a response", as if this was some sort of
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Mar 28, 2024, 12:14 PM
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mic-drop moment?
So, where to begin...
"The best Venezuelans"? Who are those? In typical fashion, you're susceptible to the rightwing narrative that Trump coined nearly 8 years ago regarding Mexico, "they aren't sending us their best, they're sending rapists and drug dealers...and some, I'm sure, decent people". Read a story about an illegal Venezuelan doing something shady or even down right awful and criminal, extrapolate to all Venezuelans. Computes for brain, no further analysis needed.
If you want to see ACTUAL inflation, completely shut off the supply of immigrant labor, legal/illegal/otherwise. It's not a matter of "Americans are or aren't willing to do the work that immigrants do". It's "even if every available American suddenly unfucked themselves and became unlazy, there still wouldn't be enough to fill the void left by immigrant workers". This has been harped on repeatedly here, and both sides of the political spectrum are aware of this, at least the ones in positions to make decisions. That's why you don't see anything radically changing in the model. Do I think it's a great system? Absolutely not. Do I acknowledge that it's keeping our economy as we know it afloat and moving? Yeah...even if you don't.
And please...don't pretend like you care about poor Americans anymore than you care about poor migrants. We both know that's bullshit. You're not OK with your tax dollars going to help the helpless. Own it. You're not alone, at least half the country feels the same way.
I didn't say employers should pay illegal immigrants any particular wage, minimum, or higher or lower. They're getting paid under the table. Pay them above the table with taxes and withholdings, and you'll see costs and inflation rise accordingly. If you think your food prices are high now, you'll certainly enjoy the ACTUAL costs of producing what you put on the table, and this isn't a Biden/Trump Democrat/Republican policy problem. It's the reality of how food production in particular is priced.
I definitely don't agree with putting illegal immigrants up in hotels and giving them debit cards (to the extent that this is true and not fearmongering that makes it sound like 20M illegals are getting thousands of dollars and cellphones every week to sit in the 4 star hotel rooms and watch PPV movies). Enough people have a problem with this concept that it will be addressed, but you also need to recognize that much or most of this is happening at the state and local levels, and not under WH direction.
But, whatever. You're not going to look at this in any other view beyond what you currently hold, so...cool. I got to waste a bunch of time typing this. Kick back some more, you know...like all the illegal immigrants you despise are most definitely doing in posh hotel rooms across the country.
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Re: You'll
Mar 28, 2024, 3:59 PM
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How do you know what view I look at things and what I care about? Just because I don't have the same ideological view point, I'm wrong? Whatever you think, dont try to judge me on what you think without the facts. I started as a democrat but discovered quickly, it wasn't going to go well.
As far your comment about not caring for others, you have no clue. I really hope you're trying to help those in need since it's the right thing to do. Since you know so much, I guess I don't make financial and time contributions every year, not one year but every year for decades, to help the hungry and homeless. It must be something I dreamed. I don't ask who gets the food or help, I just ask that it stays locally.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.***
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Re: Illegal influencer mocking hard working Americans
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Mar 28, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Can't be. Leftist trash have assured us these millions of invaders are only here to pick our cabbage and mow our lawns.
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Re: Illegal influencer mocking hard working Americans
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Mar 28, 2024, 8:04 AM
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The vast majority are here to work hard.
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40% on welfare***
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Cite a source, please?
Mar 28, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Before you do, let me guess: Center For Immigration Studies
Did I nail it? Pretty sure I nailed it.
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Re: Cite a source, please?
Mar 28, 2024, 9:21 AM
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I have heard it is actually something over 50% receive some assistance, such as food stamps. Big deal. They are working hard as well.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
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Mar 28, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Visa can't keep up with printing the $350 pre-paid cards the illegals are getting from the socialists.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 9:18 AM
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That means they are below poverty. Doesn't mean that they don't also work. Most people on food stamps also work. Most are here to work hard and for opportunity.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 9:35 AM
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Yeah but shouldn’t we give our own citizens opportunities first? I completely disagree with our government giving any illegal immigrant or non citizen financial assistance. We have homeless veterans getting less attention than these migrants.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 10:18 AM
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Our homeless vets get food stamps as well.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 10:29 AM
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There should be no such thing as a homeless veteran. Those that served and fought for our country deserve the best. They fought for that same country that these illegals at rushing too in record breaking numbers. I understand not all veterans are good people and sometimes commit crimes. For the most part I don’t think that’s true. We are paying for migrants to be housed and the get weekly checks from the government. Do our vets get that? I hope so. Still, why does an illegal migrant or a non citizen deserve the same treatment our veterans get. Like I said they should not receive any financial assistance. They should have to prove who they are and have an extensive background check. They should be able to prove how they can positively impact our country and show willingness to accept American values. In my opinion they should get a year to prove they can make it here, with no crimes committed, before they are granted citizenship. I don’t think we should let migrants temporarily work here just to send all their money back home while receiving government benefits.
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Most vets never fought and many of those that are homeless, probably the vast majority of a certain age, are addicts or mentally ill. I agree that we should look out for them first though. Vets come first. We always see these Wounded Warrior commercials, and they make me wonder why doesn't the government cover it all?
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Re: 40% on welfare***
Mar 28, 2024, 10:41 AM
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“Yeah but shouldn’t we give our own citizens opportunities first?”
This right here sums up MAGA populists from limited government conservatives. MAGA doesn’t care about spending, they just want that money spent in a way that benefits them, not the out groups.
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It's not a radical or MAGA concept to think American citizens should be
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Mar 28, 2024, 11:21 AM
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prioritized over foreigners when it comes to tax payer funded assistance.
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That's some twisted logic... Of course Americans prefer American taxes be
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Mar 28, 2024, 11:50 AM
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spent on American citizens. I don't think that's an exclusive purview of "MAGA populists".
As to "limited government conservatives", who and where are they...?
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Problem being
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Mar 28, 2024, 11:14 AM
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Most are paid in cash. Yes they work hard, and send most of their money back to another country. They are in poverty if you look at reportable income which is next to zero.
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Re: Problem being
Mar 28, 2024, 11:23 AM
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True
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I AM SO FED UP WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION!
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Mar 28, 2024, 11:33 AM
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A link to foxnews requiring an account to view is showing some random person ranting about something on tiktok, and it makes me want to SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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