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If athletes are employees...
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Mar 5, 2024, 9:49 PM
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... and can unionize, then how does that affect academics?
If I am an employee of a school, then why do I have to be a student at all? the school is paying me to play football. The janitor doesn't have to take classes. No other employee is required to take classes. So, why should a guy who is hired to play football have to take classes? Can't the union negotiate a contract that doesn't require football? And would the athletic department prefer that? Think of how much simpler the coaches job would be (not to mention the cost of the academic support staff) easier?
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Re: If athletes are employees...
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Mar 5, 2024, 9:51 PM
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Ahh the old UNC defense rule
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Why would I donate $ or by tix to a pro team in Clemson
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Mar 5, 2024, 9:55 PM
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no thanks. But to your point, who knows what the courts will allow, apparently no rules are allowed. It seems like a job you could require x amount of “continuing ed” credits to keep your job or “academic certification” which could be a job requirement???
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The courts have neutered the NCAA to the point it is no longer a governing
Mar 6, 2024, 8:10 AM
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organization. It was put in place BY the schools many years ago to PROVIDE governance, in other words, to protect them from themselves. It, like most agencies with power, became corrupt. But now, things have definitely progressed to the point where, once again, the schools NEED to be saved from themselves.
The Tennessee's of the world may think they are winning, but if they get what they want, it won't BE what they thought they were getting. Say all the power, money and players get concentrated among a dozen schools. And the same one or two win the Natty every year, with the same dozen contenders. What have they really won? They stacked the deck, so basically what they have bought is a very expensive Participation Trophy, that does not represent what college football was meant to be at all.
A Sad Harrumph, indeed.
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Re: The courts have neutered the NCAA to the point it is no longer a governing
Mar 6, 2024, 8:29 AM
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Tennessee thinks they are ensuring a place at the table in the next age of college football. If winning at college football becomes pure open market Tennessee will not be a player in that future no matter how ahead of the game they get. Pro sports are successful because of artificial competitive controls enabled by anti-trust status. Whether it’s under the NCAA or a new organization college football will go the same route or become completely irrelevant to consumers. If you’re going to watch purely professional football the NFL offers a much better product and they don’t need insane amounts of annual giving for upper deck seats to put it on.
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in the past i would say that
Mar 6, 2024, 8:00 AM
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the schools would still press the NCAA to keep the maximum eligibility rules so they can get new kids in. This would make enrollment and academic edibility necessary.
BUt then i watched Georgia sell their souls for foosball games. So who knows.
I'm sure ole Kirby woudl have Stetson Bennit on the team for 300 years if he could.
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The courts have shown no interest in doing that.
Mar 6, 2024, 8:20 AM
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The NCAA has lost every major case about NIL and anything else about their exploitative model.
That is unlikely to change.
The NCAA is facing so many court challenges that they don't have enough lawyers to defend them all.
The House case has the potential to bankrupt them if they l
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Re: The courts have shown no interest in doing that.
Mar 6, 2024, 8:22 AM
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The NCAA has lost every major case about NIL and anything else about their exploitative model.
That is unlikely to change.
The NCAA is facing so many court challenges that they don't have enough lawyers to defend them all.
The House case has the potential to bankrupt them if they l
Lose it.
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Re: If athletes are employees...
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Mar 6, 2024, 8:19 AM
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Pretty clear most of the prevailing thinking these days doesn’t care about academics. We are now paying to generate a revenue stream and nothing more.
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Re: If athletes are employees...
Mar 6, 2024, 8:23 AM
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We already were doing that for football.
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Re: If athletes are employees...
Mar 6, 2024, 8:31 AM
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More to your point, I our case they would be STATE employees! Which may prevent them from becoming unionized. However, being state employees to they get all the benefits too? If they are a 5th year player/employee do they become vested?
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I'm no attorney...
Mar 6, 2024, 11:06 AM
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....but I have red some discussions that private schools will have a different set of federal rules than public schools. I have no idea how it will all work out, but state employees are allowed to unionize and negotiate conditions of employment.
I don't know, but I suspect that the faculty at Clemson is unionized.
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Re: If athletes are employees...
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Mar 6, 2024, 8:37 AM
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Non starter.
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If they do indeed become employees they probably will not be required
Mar 6, 2024, 11:10 AM
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to attend classes at the university. I don't see any reason why they would need to actually enroll in college at all. They will be professional athletes playing for the university. Some will probably still choose to get degrees while they play, but i don't see why that would be required.
It sounds pretty awful, but i don't see how we end up anywhere else.
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Re: If athletes are employees...
Mar 6, 2024, 11:39 AM
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Athletes wouldn't be the only students who are university employees. Plenty of students work for their universities in dining halls, libraries, as janitors or groundskeepers, and as student teachers, and many of them are unionized.
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and here comes the EEOC also......***
Mar 6, 2024, 12:04 PM
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That would be a contractual agreement between schools of the league.
Mar 6, 2024, 12:09 PM
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As long as the league's participant schools are agreeing to a set of rules for student athletes the players will be under contract to take classes and meet all such requirements.
Players will never win that one in court no more than auto workers can demand they not have to actually assemble automobiles.
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A league - the NCAA already agreed to rules and yet
Mar 6, 2024, 1:15 PM
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the leagues participant schools have sued and won that rules can’t be applied
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