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NCAA sees the handwriting on the wall.
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NCAA sees the handwriting on the wall.

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Dec 6, 2023, 10:31 PM
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Proposing a "new level" of universities. Essentially calling on allowing some schools to reorganize into a super division.

But, it appears they still want to be in charge of this new division. I think they see the future being these teams breaking away from NCAA completely and they are trying to figure out how to prevent that.

https://news.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposes-uncapping-compensation-athletes-123537104.html

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Re: NCAA sees the handwriting on the wall.

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Dec 6, 2023, 10:33 PM
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The NCAA has been completely spineless for 3 years now. It's a little late to now try to be a leader.

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Re: NCAA sees the handwriting on the wall.

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Dec 6, 2023, 10:44 PM
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They brought all of this on themselves.

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I agree 100%.

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Dec 7, 2023, 12:04 AM
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Everything that is happening now can be traced to the NCAA.

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Greed did this.

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Dec 7, 2023, 7:46 AM
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Not the middling bureaucracy known as the NCAA.

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Re: Greed did this.

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Dec 7, 2023, 8:03 AM
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While the NCAA has been more or less spineless and incompetent, I think it’s more that they were also undermined by SCOTUS to the point they were terrified to do much about it.

As you say, it all goes back to money.

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It was the greed of the NCAA.

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Dec 7, 2023, 8:59 AM [ in reply to Greed did this. ]
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The NCAA decided 50+ years ago that they wanted to play the role of the minor league for the NFL and NBA. They liked the power and money it gave them.

Fast forward to 2023. We know see the blooms from the tree that grew from the seed planted with that decision.

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Dec 7, 2023, 10:01 AM [ in reply to Greed did this. ]
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I agree. What's funny to me is; many people gravitated more toward College ball because it wasn't all about the money. That along with the loyalty people have to their alma matter and or state school gets viewership.

I can honestly tell you; if Clemson wasn't in that top tier. I literally wouldn't be watching the teams that are in that top tier a great deal. For what?
Following a sports team is an investment of time, energy, emotions, money, etc. If it was Southern Cal and Alabama for the Tier 1 championship - might watch that. But, that's about it.

I suspect this new tier will alienate a large group of people out there who do not have a dog in the fight. Again, not worth it to most people to invest in teams you have no cares about.

I think potentially, it could affect the $$$$ piece of it as well. "Potentially" if the facade that all of you watching can potentially have your schools team here as well. If that's gone; watch out.

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Re: I agree 100%.

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Dec 7, 2023, 7:57 AM [ in reply to I agree 100%. ]
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100%

If they had allowed jersey sales, autograph sessions and lower level capitalization for the athletes, the NCAA model would have hummed along for much longer. By completely resisting even the tiniest bit of opportunity for the players the NCAA forced a full-on revolt. There was money waiting in the wings and it took off.

Remember, or if you don't know already, just one of the reasons Ed O'bannon and others started this suit was b/c EA left traces in their video games of specific players. Couple that with players not being able to make money from autographs and walking into the campus bookstore to see a $100 price tag on a jersey they wore on Saturday's.

All of these athletes had tremendous perks on campus. They were treated very well and didn't want or need much as an individual outside of those perks. However, back home, many of their families were in dire straights. They just wanted a way to help put food on the table, keep the heat on in the winter and the water running. A lot of us that have the time and opportunity to be on these online forums aren't aware or forget that. That $300k scholarship doesn't put food on a table 1,000 miles away. You can't pay this month's light bill with a promise of an NFL contract in 3 years.

If only the NCAA had given just the tiniest little bit, a bit that didn't even come out of their own pocket, all of this could have been worked out over time without destroying the institution of college sports.

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Goes back further than that.


Dec 7, 2023, 9:11 AM
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O'Bannon went to UCLA to prepare for the NBA, not to get a college education.

If the NCAA had decided that the purpose of an athletic scholarship was for a student to have the means to pay for his college education, then this would not have happened.

If the NCAA had set a rule (I actually proposed this in the 1980s. Just to friends and sports fans.) they could have stopped it.

Here was my proposal for basketball. (You could make a similar one for football.)

Each school has 15 scholarships. When a player signs a grant-in-aid with a school that scholarship counts until one of the following two things occurs:
1. The student graduates from that school.
OR
2. 72 months has passed since he signed.

No exceptions. If the kid goes to the NBA, he still counts against the 15. If he just decides he doesn't want to play anymore, he still counts. If he transfers to another school, he still counts. If he just wasn't good enough and the coach doesn't want him on the team, he still counts. If he violates a law or rule and gets kicked off the team, he still counts.

Now, that would certainly affect recruiting. Do you think Calipari and other coaches would be recruiting 1 and doners? Would coaches be recruiting players who will go on the market every year and sign with the guy who will pay them the most?

The NCAA could have taken the position, "We aren't the minor leagues. If you aren't interested in a college education, then college isn't for you." They could have told the NFL and NBA, "Go set up your own minor league system. We aren't in the industry."

But, they decided they wanted to be the minor leagues. Fast forward 50+ years and it is 2023.

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Dec 7, 2023, 9:15 AM
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Wasn't there a flavor of this in the graduation rates for men's basketball at one point? I thought there was a 4 year limit that impacted programs that heavily invested in the graduate early and one-and-done recruits, i.e. Kentucky? Maybe I'm wrong. But yeah, it would have helped.

I will always be convinced if the NCAA would have eased into NIL and showed some signs of cooperation they could have at least stemmed the tide for few years. Their totalitarian, black and white stance ended up kicking them in the nads. Rigid mindsets usually don't work out in the long run.

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Dec 7, 2023, 9:16 AM
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LEAVE early, not graduate early, my bad

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Re: NCAA sees the handwriting on the wall.

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Dec 7, 2023, 7:42 AM
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My personal thought is the SEC and B1G are perfectly content to allow the NCAA to spin through the learning curve while all of the initial problems and lawsuits come out. They will then take the blueprint they have laid out in the backrooms and put it in place for themselves. The NCAA scrapes a TON of money off the top that the member institutions never see. Once the conferences have all their ducks in a row, they will not need or, most importantly, WANT the NCAA. The days of the NCAA as a governing overlord are numbered. And, as a result, major college sports.

I don't know exactly how it's going to shake out but if there is zero or a very loose affiliation of the players with the schools, I expect the fans, primarily the boosters, to wither away. Personally, if Clemson decides to park themselves in the level of competition between that and the FCS, or even retreats to the FCS, I'll still be ALL IN. I don't think I'll stick around when this latest NCAA proposal gets implemented by them or the "conferences" directly if it includes Clemson football.

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I think some schools will re-examine their charters


Dec 7, 2023, 8:13 AM
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And find that they violate it by operating farm teams for the NFL. I could see the academic community taking this perspective and possibly forcing (think state supreme courts) institutions to take a pass on pay-to-play.

How far are we from lawsuits that challenge the academic requirements on the basis that it denies an athlete the opportunity to make a living? If that domino falls, I think universities would face the logical question of what any of this still has to do with education.

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This effort, if instituted, is bound to eventually fail because even the pros

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Dec 7, 2023, 8:27 AM
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have spending caps. Instead they should just do away with the false term "NIL" and just go to a direct employee salary system where the players are paid employees of the schools and ban these "NIL" collectives.

The NCAA needs to quit dorking around and spend their time hashing out some final cap on the total combined amount that a University can spend paying coaches and players for each of the major sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, and Softball). They can make it a high dollar number but make it the same for everyone in FBS.

If a school like A&M wants to pay some stupid amount for a Football coach then the NCAA spending cap for Football will result in less allowable funds to pay their football players. As part of this direct University payment plan - all University paid athletes (who are now employees) must grant their "NIL" for the period of their University employment as the property of the University. Therefore any player endorsements or payments outside the University salary must contract through the University and will count towards that University's total salary cap for each particular sport. The only exception to this NIL rule is for the Heisman trophy winner (because of the historical uniqueness of that award) if that athlete remains in school after winning the award...


I don't know about the rest of the IPTAY donors, but if half or more of all the athletes at Clemson are getting $30,000 or more a year it sure isn't going to encourage me to continue giving to the IPTAY scholarship fund. I just don't think it makes since for a retiree like myself to send money to help pay for the free schooling of athletes who are getting paid by the University and can very well afford to pay their own way through school.

One last thing... All this discussion of paying players, revenue sharing etc... has totally ignored the value of what it is really supposed to be about - getting a college education that culminates in a degree. There's been no discussion at all of the value of the education they receive - it's as if that is just "free" and doesn't equate to real money.

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Re: This effort, if instituted, is bound to eventually fail because even the pros


Dec 7, 2023, 10:22 AM
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Hmmm. Liking this salary cap idea, at least at first blush. Combine it with educational imperatives and maybe we have something. Cheating enforcement would still be needed; if only the NCAA will grow a pair.

Colleges are educational institutions. Go. Get an education. If you wish, play sports and get paid.
If you can’t tie this to education, as I wrote earlier, you need to divorce it from the educational institutions.

Put me in charge. I got this. 🙄

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Dec 7, 2023, 8:34 AM
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Many have been predicting this. The culmination of all this reorganization may be a relatively small national super conference. Everybody else will fall by the wayside in terms of conference affiliation, tv revenue, and visibility. You can see this already playing out--next fall, the last two Pac2 schools will be playing their games against MW conf schools. (Even if OSU or WAZZU go undefeated, no one will care.) The remaining questions seem to be: 1) What happens to the ACC?; 2) When will the richest B1G and SEC schools merge?; and 3) How will all the "losers" in this process reorganize themselves and pay their bills? When that all shakes out, you'll likely have a national college football league (NCFL) that works well with a "made for tv" playoff system.

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Dec 7, 2023, 9:10 AM
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I suspect they know much more about what the B1G and SEC are doing than the general public.

Between those two and the 12 team playoff field they will reap a huge percentage of the PO money. The authority of the NCAA over those two super conferences will diminish until they form a new governing body that ignores the NCAA.

I do not believe the authority over what NIL deals pay will ever be between the colleges and NCAA. Any rule made by either or both would be viewed as a theft of rights granted by the SCOTUS.


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Dec 7, 2023, 3:35 PM
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You have more faith than I do. I’m not sure they can even read…

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