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How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:30 PM
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With zero titles or championships of any kind and their best year was a Sweet 16… the rest of the time having been mediocre at best and big game failures over and over at worse?
And are in the Top 40 paid coaches in the country ?
Let's open up the window more:
How many coaches have been at the same school for 8 years or more - With zero titles or championships of any kind and their best year was a Sweet 16… the rest of the time having been mediocre at best and big game failures over and over at worse - including multiple 1 and dones in conference tournies, post-season tournies, etc ?
And is a top 60 paid coach in the country.
We'll wait . . . .
( This question courtesy of STERLING® as encouraged by jm1959® )
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:32 PM
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I can think of one...
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:33 PM
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I can’t answer all those variables - but I can’t find a single P5 program with a head coach active 10 years or more with a lower percentage of seasons making the NcAA tournament.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:38 PM
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@Viztiz had a stat that of all the coaches who have been as long as Coach Brownell at a power 6 (& Big East) have to at least twice as many NCAATs, NITs, including advancing farther more times.
Its not even close...
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:55 PM
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It really is the longest ongoing experiment into whether longevity holds some key to unlocking success with, basically, the entirety of college basketball history.
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I guess that's something to be proud of ? ? ?
Mar 20, 2024, 1:57 PM
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Probably not . . . but . . .
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Re: I guess that's something to be proud of ? ? ?
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:08 PM
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I think, with time and distance, it will ultimately be viewed as a ludicrous embrassment.
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It is already a ludicrous embarrassment to anyone that has a desire for Clemson
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:12 PM
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to be excellent in basketball.
Never has the entire "brand" of Clemson been any better - for the last 10 years - and we have squandered it with this clown show.
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Re: It is already a ludicrous embarrassment to anyone that has a desire for Clemson
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:18 PM
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We all know the surface reasons for hiring Tommy West. Does anyone look back and think it wasn’t idiotic? The same attitude should surround, not his hiring, but Brownell’s massive raise/extension after making the NIT final in 2014. Just preposterously stupid. And anyone in sports admin that doesn’t see he performs like an NFL wide receiver in a contract year to keep his gravy train rolling has no business in the business.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:14 PM
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Even with victories in 2/3 NCAA tourneys at Clemson and a sweet sixteen appearance, he is near the very bottom of KenPom’s underperform in the tournament rankings. He’s only slightly ahead of Purnell. Brownell’s defenders act like his postseason victories place him leaps and bounds ahead of Purnell. But KenPom shows that they’re almost exactly the same at underperforming and the Brad has just had the benefit of a couple easier opportunities. Reality (the ACC being a weakened conference / Brad getting easier NCAA draws) versus perception (ACC is still the premiere conference / tourney wins trump everything) has been the key to his longevity,
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So Brad is a better coach than OP, using your own metrics...and what easier
Mar 20, 2024, 2:43 PM
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NCAA draws has he had? OP lost to a ####### 12 seed, with an Elite Eight team
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Liar
Mar 20, 2024, 10:22 PM
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It actually applies now.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:16 PM
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Mar 20, 2024, 1:55 PM [ in reply to Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years ]
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It really is the longest ongoing experiment into whether longevity holds some key to unlocking success with, basically, the entirety of college basketball history.
SO WILL VIZ, 2 DAYS IN A ROW CALLING INTO QUALKS SHOW. AFTER HE BLISTERED YOUR A$$ YESTERDAY I GUESS YOU HAD TO CALL BACK AND SUCK UP HUH.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:24 PM
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Participating on this message board is the greatest damage I’m willing to do to my iq. I don’t live in the upstate. I don’t listen to sports talk radio, except on extremely select occasion. I have never called into a sports talk radio program. I have never listened to Qualk’s radio program. I have seen him on Twitter since it tends to show me Clemson related content (I don’t post so don’t worry about finding me). I’m not sure he has the capacity to blister anyone’s anything on any topic.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:27 PM
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SURE, IF YOU SAY SO.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
Mar 21, 2024, 2:26 PM
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For the billionth time, caps lock off bro.
It is funny how some Upstaters think sports talk is of value.. don’t need it to see truth. Proof in pudding. Brownell stinks.
I picked CU over NM bc I love my Tigers too much. But am fully expecting a let down.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Since you’re seemingly unwilling to post properly in a civilized society, I will be forced to refer to you as Captain Caps Lock. I’m sorry it’s come to this.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
Mar 21, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Hhaaa! For real.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:16 PM
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How many titles or championships has Clemson won in its entire history? Context is important...
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No, its not.
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:27 PM
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Not when the coach in question has been given more time, money, and infrastructure than any predecessor. Not when he plays in a 15 team conference that has no resemble to most of that history. Not when the conference, by any statistical analysis, is weaker of his tenure than any other 14 year period since leaving the Southern Conference.
You can repeat this fallacy over and over. And I will respond when I see it.
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Frank Howard's record as a football coach wasn't all that great - so Danny Ford
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:57 PM
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shouldn't have been able to do what he did - you know - context is important and all . . .
And Danny did good - really good at times . . . . but, you know, context is important - Danny did very little "in context" to have us believe we would be the blue blood in football that we are now - 2 National Championships, 6 years in a row in the top 4 - "Clemson fatigue" being a real thing to college football fans all over the country . . . .
because - you know - context matters . . . . .
Just another HUGELY worn-out & stupid excuse by the cult.
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Re: Frank Howard's record as a football coach wasn't all that great - so Danny Ford
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Coach Howard had many great seasons, championship trophys and bowl victories vs our basketball history which has none. Try to keep on topic if possible.
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Re: Frank Howard's record as a football coach wasn't all that great - so Danny Ford
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Mar 20, 2024, 5:14 PM
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We finished a season ranked and made a bowl for the first time in 1939. We’d been playing football for 44 years without winning anything or making a bowl. The AP poll was relatively new but bowls had been around since 1902. How’d that happen if history mattered so much? College football existed 30 years before we ever played a game. How’d we ever win a game? Did we only ever beat programs newer than ours?
Your argument is ridiculous.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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How many College World Series has Clemson won?
By your loser mentality approach we simply shouldn't ever consider that as a goal for our baseball team, right? We've never accomplished that in our history so it will never happen, because history, and to ever expect it will happen is foolish.
For our historical malaise in hoops, one thing is for certain after these past 14 years - Brad has failed at changing that and taking our program up another level. Perhaps he will rectify that starting this Friday - at least he has an opportunity to produce something different at long last. If not, it is time to move past your loser mindset and crank up the 'believe' engine.
Go Tigers!
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Using history as a predictor of the future is a losers game. UNC and Kentucky had to win their first Bball title at some point. Based on history, nobody would think Clemson would’ve ever won another national title, much less 2, and play for four. In order to change history, you have to change your thinking and your mentality. Thinking you are going to suck because we’ve always sucked means you’re going to suck. Unless, you start demanding better performance.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:41 PM
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A) Brad Brownell
B) Brad Brownell
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C) Brad Brownell
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Are you forgetting our
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Mar 20, 2024, 2:49 PM
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WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP?!?
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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How many mens basketball coaches at Clemson have any titles of any kind? Like it or not we are a very mediocre program in Baseketball. That doesnt excuse Brads record, but historically speaking we are not anything more than average in basketball. Do you think a new coach that truly elevates Clemson basketball will opt to stay around? Thus odesnt mean we shoukd settle, nor am I arguing Brad should stay, but given our history he does deserve some credit. I honestly believe if we hire a better coach, or elevate a lower tiered coach who improves the program, they will just end up poached by another school with more tradition and deeper pockets.
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Another really old, tired response. Yes - it has happened before - and no - we
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Mar 21, 2024, 10:11 AM
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don't have the deep pockets of the ohio state's and texasseseses of the world - but what we have is WAY more than enough to keep the right guy here to the point of letting him establish a legacy . . . like Dabo has done. We have deep enough pockets ! ! !
14 years ! ! ! Are we halfway to the point where BrownL will be putting his name on the court permanently ? Listening to the cult - you would think we are . . . .
He's no where near even getting his name on the back of a chair - much less the court.
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Re: How many coaches have been at the same school for 14 years
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I actually did some googling on this topic the other day, when I was on the can. I couldn’t find a single coach with as little success with a similar tenure.
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The operative word here is CAN . . . . .
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CAN this clown show and let's get to work becoming a national brand in basketball.
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