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Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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firing, and Dabo Swinney being named permanent Head Coach at Clemson in 2009, a period of 20 years.
1990 - Ken Hatfield, 10-2, in his first year, with Danny's last team pretty much intact.
That is IT, only one year where we won 10 games. It was all downhill, WAY downhill, from there.
Our current Head Coach, who some of you Single Helix Mutoids want to run off now, has a streak of TWELVE STRAIGHT YEARS of winning 10 or more games in a season.
For that 20 year period 1990-2008, our average wins per year was 6.95. We finished a season as a ranked team only seven times during that stretch, with the highest again being Ken Hatfield's first year, 1990, at #9. We were #18 in 1991, #23 in Hatfield's last year of 1993, and then we would not return to the season end rankings until 2000, under Tommy Bowden, at #16. That was his high water mark, as we were ranked a total of five times during his 10 year tenure, with the next highest ranking being #21, twice.
In 14 full seasons under Dabo Swinney, we have missed the season ending rankings only once, in 2010. We have won the ACC 8 times in those same 14 years, after only winning it ONCE in the preceeding 20 years, and that was back in 1991 in Ken Hatfield's 2nd year. We have won 2 National Championships, and made it to the final game two other times, made the Playoffs six straight times.
I, for one, do not want Clemson to go back to wandering in the Wilderness of Mediocrity for another 20 years. And, to those who say "that wouldn't happen now, we have a better foundation", I say bull butter. Danny Ford had laid a good foundation too, good enough that Ken Hatfield took the Clemson job before ever setting foot on campus. It didn't take long for him to erode that foundation, but it sure took awhile to rebuild it after he and two more coaches that followed him could not get us back to anything approaching those levels of success.
So, continue to act like complete nincompoops on these message boards. Continue to beyotch and moan, and declare that you know how to fix our football program better than those who are paid to do it. You may get your wish, but it won't be what you thought you were getting, I would wager that much. I, for one, am eternally grateful for all the Dabo Swinney has accomplished at Clemson. He has earned my trust, even if his decisions sometimes puzzle me. Because, I have seen what the opposite looks like, and I MUCH prefer what we have now.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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I agree with you 100%.
I will also tell you what everyone who opposes this view is thinking:
- Clemson has shown that we will pay top dollar for a good coach. (Something we didn’t show after Danny Ford)
- Clemson has top notch facilities, more media exposure, bigger recruiting base (Also different than the time between Ford and Swinney).
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Thx 76er for a heads uP on what firing Dabo would do
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:15 AM
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but I really truly don’t think a Clemson FB Fan with any IQ would ever want to go that departure route.
Hale, Coach Frank Howard got to hang around Tigertown from his prior better years for umpteen years with win records 50% lower than Dabo’s worst!
Go TiGERS, Suckk it uP & ROCK!
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:18 AM
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We could also add that Dabo has done it without getting us banned from TV for 2 years and losing 20 scholarships due to the way he built his national championship team
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Well said 76, I am very grateful for Dabo and the high level of success he has us. We have experienced some bumps the last couple of years, which I am not happy with but still better than what we were before.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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i agree with you.. but, it is harder to win 10 when you only play 11-12 as opposed to 12-15. no doubt we're as good as we've ever been and anyone calling dabo's job is just stupid. no sane person would even listen to such garbage, at this point in the game. ridiculous.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Sep 28, 2023, 11:27 AM
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I agree with you. I graduated in 1979. My freshmen year, we won 2 games. My sophomore year, we won 3 games. Dabo is a gem. We are lucky and fortunate to have him. I would strongly request everyone to never publicly demean him. Our opponents read these boards and will use our own words against us.
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either your memory or mine is off
Sep 28, 2023, 11:53 AM
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On the amount of wins in 79 and 80
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He said he GRADUATED in 1979. So, he would have been
Sep 28, 2023, 12:02 PM
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there for the 1975 and 1976 seasons as a freshman and sophomore. Red Parker's last two seasons, in which we did indeed go 2-9, and 3-6-2. I can vouch, I was there as well. 1975 especially, with the 56-20 debacle in The Roach in Cootlumbia, was no fun atall.
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Re: He said he GRADUATED in 1979. So, he would have been
Sep 28, 2023, 6:02 PM
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Correct, my husband is also a 79 grad and has mentioned the 2-9 season many times. Many, MANY times.
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1975, by any measure, has to be the low point for modern
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:49 PM
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Clemson football. The only way it could have been much worse is if we had our current field goal kicker, and he MISSED the game winner in the rain at Homecoming against Weak Florist. Our only other win, somehow, was North Carolina, in Chapel Hole. They were 3-7-1 that year, which was better than us. Worst all time loss against the Coots, for which I was live in person. Just a miserable year, all the way around.
I wish I could implant those memories in anybody who is stupid enough to want to run Dabo Swinney off. They would come to their senses REAL fast.
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Thanks for reviewing our football history
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and highlighting the tremendous job Dabo did in making us champions (twice!). However, I think everyone here is aware of his many accomplishments and is grateful for all that he has done.
If you want to continue to bask in those accomplishments while ignoring the current reality, that's your right. But for some of us, the mediocre results we are seeing right now under Dabo are occurring because of decisions Dabo has made the last few years. It's very concerning.
You see, for all of Dabo's accomplishments, he's made several poor decisions that have hurt our program:
1. He promoted Goodwin and Conn to co-DCs, neither of whom had ANY experience as defensive coordinators. In fact, neither had significant coaching experience at the collegiate level. Dabo could've brought in a top DC if he wanted to. The funds were there, and the AD would've rubber stamped it. But Dabo didn't do that.
2. He promoted Streeter to OC instead of bringing in a top offensive mind. Signs were there under Elliott that we needed fresh ideas and a new approach to our offense, but instead Dabo promoted a guy who has no offensive coordinator experience at the power 5 level (and not a whole of experience as an OC in general).
3. He hired the likes of Grisham, Spiller, Richardson, and Austin for position coaches. All of these guys had little to no college coaching experience.
4. Dabo refused to use the transfer portal, and has gone out of his way to criticize it publicly. That's a horrible PR strategy when talented players from other programs would love to be part of what Clemson is doing.
5. Dabo has also publicly railed against NIL, or at least aspects of it. Again, that's a horrible PR strategy at a time when recruits feel empowered and are motivated by the prospect of making more money.
What Dabo has done is made our coaching staff much less experienced, despite coaching at what was one of the top programs/brands in all of college football just a few years ago. He has also made our program less desirable, and also made our once forward-thinking program appear to be stuck in the olden days by comparison.
Not surprisingly, results have suffered. This year will mark the third year we will miss the playoffs. We currently stand at 2-2, and are 1-4 in our last 5 games against power 5 opponents. Dabo's many accomplishments here are great, but we have underachieved three years in a row now.
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Re: Thanks for reviewing our football history
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Anyone even hinting that Dabo should be on the "hot-seat" have lost their minds. Clemson is better than that - questioning every move a coach makes when the going gets tough. Won't waste time going through all the variables that may have impacted the past 2 years, but strongly believe that we will be back (CFP), sooner rather than later. Question: aren't you the poster that continues to promote Brownell? Why the drastic beliefs between Bball vs Fball?
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Yes - that's him - he is a troll of the 1st order.***
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Who said that Dabo should be on the hot seat?
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Because it certainly wasn't me.
I wouldn't trade Dabo for anyone at this point, but I do think he has some major issues to address (most of which are self-inflicted).
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You must control the language to be a despot
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Mediocre definition, "of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate."
If his record is mediocre what is Brownell's?
Where were you when he hired Scott and Elliot as co-offensive coordinators and won a national championship? Neither had any offensive coordinator experience.
I could poke more holes in your post, but won't waste my time.
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Re: You must control the language to be a despot
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Or Chad Morris - who only had 1 of experience at the collegiate level and NEVER EVEN PLAYED COLLEGE FOOTBALL. That seemed to work out okay. Then his next promotions from Chad had no coordinator experience and managed to win championships. Venables was on the outs in Oklahoma and had essentially been demoted so Mike Stoops could come back. Oklahoma was 32nd in total defense the season we hired Venables. That worked out okay. Just blathering from an idiot who called Dabo a racist yesterday.
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Re: You must control the language to be a despot
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Brownell is 241-177 with a win percentage of .577 at Clemson. His teams have won zero championships of any kind. I'd call that mediocre for sure.
Swinney is 163-41 with a win percentage of .799. His teams have won 2 National Championships, 8 ACC championships, and 10 Atlantic Division Championships, etc, etc.
Despite JK's best efforts, there is absolutely ZERO comparison to draw upon between the two.
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I didn't compare Dabo to Brownell. You guys did.
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Dabo's overall record here has nothing to do with our program's most recent performance. But since it's been brought up numerous times, it actually makes our current situation that much worse because it illustrates how far we've fallen.
If we want to talk about how great our national championships were, that's fine, but it does nothing to address our current issues.
The tone of 76ers' original post was that Dabo is wonderful and as a result of his tremendous success here, we have no right to be disappointed in the current state of our program. I disagree.
Why can't we be thrilled with and appreciative for all that Dabo has accomplished, but also very concerned about the recent trends in our program?
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Re: I didn't compare Dabo to Brownell. You guys did.
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Tou can be concentrated, but the causes aren't what you think they are, and neither are the solutions.
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Please tell us all what the problems and solutions are.
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:24 PM
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This should be good…
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Re: Please tell us all what the problems and solutions are.
Sep 28, 2023, 4:32 PM
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There aren't really any obvious solutions.
The problem is that we no longer have the advantages in recruiting that we had several years ago. The only way to improve is to figure out new advantages. Those obviously haven't been figured out, hence the current results.
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Re: You must control the language to be a despot
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Brownell is 241-177 with a win percentage of .577 at Clemson. His teams have won zero championships of any kind. I'd call that mediocre for sure.
Swinney is 163-41 with a win percentage of .799. His teams have won 2 National Championships, 8 ACC championships, and 10 Atlantic Division Championships, etc, etc.
Despite JK's best efforts, there is absolutely ZERO comparison to draw upon between the two.
For clarity for JK, one of those ACC division and conference championships was just last year while he was leading his “mediocre” results team.
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Re: You must control the language to be a despot
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We’ve fallen so far we’re a net difference of 2 games (would’ve needed to beat Pitt and win ACC championship) in 2021 and 1 game (SCar last year) in 2022 from making the playoffs. Oh how far the mighty have fallen.
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We are 2-2, which is the very definition of mediocre.
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Of course Dabo hasn't been mediocre his entire tenure at Clemson, but he is lately.
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^doesnt understand the definition of mediocre.***
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She knows full well that she's just a pathetic troll.
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Big at talking out of both sides of her mouth when dumping on Dabo, the winningest coach in all of Clemson sports history, while pumping Brown L on Clemson Nation, the worst performing basketball coach since the 80's not named Larry Shyatt. This disparity should not be lost on anyone.
She hates the success we've experienced there, and how strong our program is, and would love to do anything to stir up enough angst and discord to see it fail. Conversely, she loves and wallows in the mediocrity and failures in basketball and the lost decade plus we've all experienced there alongside.
If you are not on her heinous's Ignore list, and have an R account, TD the living daylights out this interloping sad sack troll so she doesn't fool others with a respectable pulse thinking she is not the absolute phony she really is.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Thanks for reviewing our football history
Sep 28, 2023, 6:55 PM
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I would have given my right arm for this underachievement in the old days. So, what he has made a few mistakes. I’m sure you never made any.
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right now our season is very much like the old days***
Sep 29, 2023, 8:51 AM
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This is the huge divide on the board.
Sep 29, 2023, 8:55 AM
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I mean, Dabo has earned a life-time contract and he's going to get 11+ million a year.
Doesn't mean he is beyond scrutiny. No one is, not you not I.
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A little bit of perspective never hurts
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That was a rough patch of Clemson football
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Most people that post all that negativity toward Dabo doesn’t know the difference between a post or curl pattern. They sit at home and maybe attend a game once every few years.
We have talent on this team, we have coaches that know what they are doing and will get this turned back around. It may not be this week but it will be turned back around.
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We have missed the playoffs the last two years
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and will miss the playoffs again this year.
When should we expect things to get better?
What is Dabo doing to correct these issues?
All I keep hearing is how deep our quarterback room was (last year), how amazing our receivers are (this year), and how hard this team works (every year). I also see numerous Clemson football players drafted each year, yet we're on year three of underachieving.
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Your man crush cannot even make a tournament of 68.
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That alone makes no one take you or your posts about Dabo and playoffs seriously. You lost your street cred on Tigernet a long time ago.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Man you nailed it. Amen. Let’s go Dabo and let’s go Tigers.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 28, 2023, 1:07 PM
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Dabo is a great coach and obviously still has the passion. He made the necessary change at OC, which looks like it's starting to take hold with this Clemson offense. If Dabo changes his tune on the portal a little, Clemson isn't going anywhere. Clemson doesn't need to bring in 10 transfers a year or anything, but find 3-4 guys that can upgrade the roster at positions of need. That would make a huge difference.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 28, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Thanks for saying what needs to be said.
Go Tigers!!! Beat Cuse!!!
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A bit of apples and oranges since there were only 11
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regular season games through a lot of that period and no ACC championship game. 12 max vs. 15 max if in the conference champ game and make national final.
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Re: A bit of apples and oranges since there were only 11
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OK, so now lest look at it this way. what was our most losses over the last 12 years? I recall that it may have had 2 years where we lost 3 games. So if the team only played 12 games and lost at most 3 games. The worse they would have done was 9-3. That's taking away all additional wins but not losses. Seems to me there's still only 1 team over the last 12 years that can say they won at least 9 games over the last 12 years. Care to guess what team that would be. No, it isn't USuC or UGA.
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Re: A bit of apples and oranges since there were only 11
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My team is in pretty good shape right now. We have excellent coaches(and gentlemen) who always do the right things for Clemson and for their players. This ship is not sinking! We may have taken on a little water in the last few weeks but I see some smooth sailing ahead. Support this great University
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Re: A bit of apples and oranges since there were only 11
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I agree, my point was that just because they only played 12 games in the 80's Dabo would still have a record only matched or beaten by Saban in which Dabo is 2-2 against him. They would have won 10 games in no less than 9 of the last 12 years if you only remove the additional wins above a 12 game season.
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Dude's right - The Tigers had 2 9-win seasons in that time
Sep 28, 2023, 2:17 PM
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before we went to 12-game seasons.
So - that's TWO potential 10-win seasons you're overlooking.
Wait - I guess the OPs point is still very valid...
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Yessir - anyone who thinks Dabo should be on the hot seat
Sep 28, 2023, 2:23 PM
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is a moron. (and I mean - moron - in the most positive context possible)
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Win a Natty, become a magnet
Sep 28, 2023, 2:46 PM
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for nothing but Forrest Gumps….
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Common Sense POTD
Sep 28, 2023, 3:16 PM
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Can not believe someone TD the thread. For sure not an alum or true fan. Dabo earned a long contract and would have to ban his desire to be successful to a fault before talks of firing should even be spoken.
Look at how many coaches FSU has had since Bobby, Coots since Spurrier ( their best yrs), Florida since Myers, Tenn since Fulmer, TX since Brown, VT since Beamer, etc. Successful coaches are not easy to find and mediocrity is the norm.
In Dabo I Trust! GO TIGERS!
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is that you Kathleen? Asking for a friend.***
Sep 28, 2023, 3:26 PM
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Kathleen Swinney is out busy doing worthwhile things. She
Sep 28, 2023, 6:52 PM
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would never stoop so low as to get into an argument on an Asylum Bored.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 28, 2023, 3:38 PM
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But… but… but… but… complacency and… uh… um… transfer portal… and… you know… uh… defense sucks!
Am I doing this right?
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:02 PM
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We can appreciate the success Dabo has brought to the program while also acknowledging the fact that he’s not adapting to the way the game is evolving. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
I love Dabo. Was so happy that they offered him the job after he beat SCar way back when.
But I’m also not going to blindly follow him just because he’s brought success we hadn’t seen before.
It’s also true that offering up criticism of him doesn’t equate to “fire Dabo.”
Dabo has created a standard of what the Clemson Football program should be. Not he happy about the direction of the program comes with it.
You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:12 PM
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100% agree. I was a fan back in the Red Parker days and what we have now is way better. Am I frustrated at how the season has started? Absolutely but no real fans would want Dabo gone. I know I for one have tried enjoy the last ten years and in Dabo's words "Live in the moment" Looking forward to the rest of the season and how it may or may not go the way I want but I for one thing will enjoy pulling for my Tigers!
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TBF, there was an 11 game regular season most of that
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:19 PM
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period, so we were only playing 12 most years, not 13
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Went from 10 and 2 to 3-8 in three years....***
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Yep. Now, THAT'S a decline.
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:42 PM
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I would call what we have right now just a lull.
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Orange Blooded [2939]
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I fully support Dabo without question but to be fair
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:08 PM
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We played no ACC Championship game then and 11 game regular seasons. Nevertheless I support your premise and we better appreciate Dabo
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:24 PM
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All In..👍🏿🐅
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
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You are 100% correct. Anyone that disagrees has been a fan only during Dabos tenure. We fans went thru some tough times for many years. I for one don’t want to return to that time. What we are going thru now is nothing to what it could be. Get in behind the tigers and shut up.😁🙋♂️
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Few on here are old enough to have been through all those...
Sep 29, 2023, 9:27 AM
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...ups and downs as a program.
I was in the bleachers during the Cal game when we had clearly the better team getting romped - thanks Hatfield.
I was there in the stands when McNabb and Harrison were roasting the Ford twins.
Look, no one is calling for Dabo's head or unappreciative of what he has done. We are slipping as a program and no one can honestly say we aren't.
Is it wrong to even point that out? Many saw this coming and were laughed out of the room.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 29, 2023, 1:50 PM
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THANK YOU 76er.ALL IN ALL THE TIME!!! GO TIGERS!!
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 29, 2023, 2:02 PM
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I'm to the point now that I don't even read JK's posts. Straight to TD. I have 3000 coins and will spend them effortlessly and without concern until my finger gets amputated or tired. Whichever comes first.
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 29, 2023, 2:02 PM
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Very well said
and you didn't even bring up HOOTIE - those were WONDERFUL YEARS
Unfortunately we were there and had to live through it
And you didn't even mention Dabo's graduation rate and clean program which no one can match
ALL IN
GO DABO
GO TIGERS
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Re: Here is a total of 10 win seasons in between Danny Ford's
Sep 29, 2023, 7:11 PM
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Excellent post. 👍🏿🐅
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