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Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:31 PM
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Again the Strength and Conditioning staff needs new leadership. In no way is it acceptable that the OL got pushed around by a 3 man rush and that double teams were pushed back into the play on pass plays and run plays. I know some of you get butt hurt and say this was proven to be a conspiracy theory but the proof is on the field. Guys do not get significantly faster or stronger while at Clemson and that is a massive issue. Kentucky looked bigger, stronger, and faster most of the game.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:33 PM
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Maybe. I think the OL just kind of stinks, more so than usual. I hope Luke can make chicken salad out chicken you know what next year.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:35 PM
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The OL gets bullied even with decent technique. I think that's my biggest red flag.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:37 PM
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They could have upgraded the talent on the line and WR via portal, but guess not.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 7:45 PM
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Which O Linemam and WR said they would come and they were turned down? They want playing guarantees and money, not competition.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:39 PM
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They were rag dolled. ND didn’t do that to them. That was almost as bad as TT that year.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 8:57 PM
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And that was bad
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:19 PM
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Who won the mfing game moron?
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:52 PM
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Luke is a veteran great o line coach. Our line will be much better . Their technique will be corrected and they will have better footwork. They will allow the defensive line to go up the field past the play. I have 100 percent confidence in Luke. Dabo is making the changes necessary to get us back to the playoffs. I’m sure that nobody thought Dabo would make these changes but he did. The run blocking is really good and I think the pass blocking is going to be miles better next year. Luke will also get us 5 star lineman like Jackson Carmen.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 7:53 PM
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I believe in Luke as well very excited about his presence in that staff room. I also believe that there is some talent on the OL but it needs to be sharpened and honed physically.
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Apply for the job then.....***
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:36 PM
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:39 PM
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Well that's a lazy response. You disagree with my take I suppose. Can you tell me some guys who came to Clemson and left faster and stronger?
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:41 PM
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No I agree with you. I just think the line is untalented in addition to being weak. Sorry my response was unsatisfactory.
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
Dec 29, 2023, 6:42 PM
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? I don't take any issue with your response. I don't necessarily agree they are talentless but I agree they are not strong.
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:46 PM
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Well that's a lazy response. You disagree with my take I suppose. Can you tell me some guys who came to Clemson and left faster and stronger?
I mean that is what coach Dabo says for anyone questioning the program...
If you got a problem with something just apply for the position if you can do a better job..
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Lol cop out response with no real answer to my question. I'm not delusional I know I don't know the best techniques to building a football player in the weight room. I do however have eyeballs and can see that when Clemson steps on the field with other contenders they do not look as fast, lean, or strong. I'm js Batson is close enough to retirement and it looks like fresh blood with a fresh take on training could be a huge asset to the entire team.
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Dude... just Apply for the job then...***
Dec 29, 2023, 7:08 PM
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Maybe Dabo should have hired qualified
Dec 29, 2023, 8:26 PM
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coaches in the first place. He is fully responsible for the poor OL. Best ain’t the standard in terms of coaching.
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Re: Apply for the job then.....***
Dec 29, 2023, 9:25 PM
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Well quit commenting on sh$t you're not qualified for then. Smh
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Re: Apply for the job then.....******
Dec 29, 2023, 6:55 PM
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That isn’t true. Look at the coaches he has brought in. It is going to get a lot better. Clubnik needs more time to throw . That two point conversion pass was a thing of beauty. He is the real deal . He needs protection.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:38 PM
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Same S&C we had from ‘15 to ‘20. Not much complaining then.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:40 PM
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Speak for yourself and if you go back and look the OL was very average at best, Etienne and the QBs really put stress on how defenses could play in the box.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:39 PM
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I think the OL will look much different next season under Luke’s coaching.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:41 PM
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My concern is it won't look much different bc these guys are soft and weak physically compared to the big boys of college football.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:28 PM
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You got the guts to say that to one of them eye to eye? That's what I thought keyboard warrior.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:41 PM
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What did you see today to give you any indication of that?
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:53 PM
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Down two starters. Playing a freshman and a true sophomore.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:54 PM
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They were getting demolished on double teams man. That's a strength issue. No way around it.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:59 PM
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Down two starters, playing a freshman a true sophomore.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:58 PM
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We will just have to wait and see how the oline develops in the off season . I know two weeks under Luke wasn’t what I hoped I would see. But Rome wasn’t build in a day even either. Go Tigers!
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Its been a problem for a while.
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Dec 29, 2023, 6:56 PM
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The Duke game was proof that our S/C program is not up to the task.
Also, remember when our starting QB blew up like a a deer tick. That should never ever happen. He only lost the weight cause he was hoping to get drafted not because Clemson FB was holding him accountable.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 6:57 PM
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Good grief, not this again
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 7:04 PM
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I tend to agree, to an extent. In the first quarter, Klubnik had all day. He was standing there, just hangin out, no cares. That changed as the game wore on. By the third quarter, he was running for his life, half the time. In my opinion, this is a combination of issues. We dont have a friggin wr that can get open. With no downfield threat, they wander around about 5-15 yards off the line. Klubnik hasnt matured enough, or doesnt have enough confidence to throw the ball. This makes the oline have to hold blocks for a long time, which wears them down. And, lets face it, we havent had the best coaching in quite a few years. Someone find out how many all-american linemen weve had in the last 10 years
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 7:05 PM
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So obviously the D line uses a different S&C coach. Why don’t we share with the O line?
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 7:36 PM
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DL come in built differently than OL, think about it logically you put your best athletic big men on defense in high school. Peter Woods great example came in day 1 ready to play D1 ball. And DL could still be used against your argument too bc Murphy lost a step after being at Clemson and Breese was out of shape after his first 2 years at Clemson.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 8:52 PM
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Bressee couldn't have been too out of shape. He has made an impact on N.O. dline.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:00 PM
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Well he had from April until September in an NFL S&C program so there's that.
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Facts!***
Dec 29, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 7:39 PM
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I would assume Luke will have a say on OL S&C going forward. He knows what it takes to jack these guys up and make them tougher.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 7:42 PM
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This would be great and maybe the guys on the s&c staff just needed a nudge in a direction so here's to hoping.
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Re: Going to say it
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Dec 29, 2023, 8:37 PM
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I agree. Something is wrong. Not just with the O line but look at the team wide injuries. Way on more injuries the last few seasons than most teams. A bunch of D lineman who have been good as freshman but didn't get any better by their junior year. I remember people talking how Clemson looked like Alabama when they were playing them for championships. Clemson doesn't have that physical strong look compared to the top teams. They don't play like it.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:06 PM
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I wonder who was in charge of our strength and nutrition programs then?
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Personally I think it has more to do with
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Dec 29, 2023, 8:42 PM
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the quality of food that they eat on a daily basis. They have the shiny nutrition station, but what are they putting in their bodies on a daily basis at the meal hall? I know it's all provided by Aramark, which in my experience isn't the best quality. Are we keeping up in the nutrition department? I know that is an arena that has seen a lot of change in the last few years.
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Ehhh. That was a dominate win against a top tier SEC team. We are back, baby!!!
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:31 PM
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You sir are a bona-fide dumba$$
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Re: Going to say it
Dec 29, 2023, 9:29 PM
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Most are praising Batson after this game. You stick your story
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